Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj12591 » 10. februar 2011 kl. 14.01

I have found 2 people with various degree of interest in same family on DIS-Norge.
The inlegg are “Johan Ursin Jentoft Hartviksen F. 1820” and “Peder Nielsen fra Storjord, når døde han?” – I would like to know too. :lol:
What I Know – My grandfather Oskar Henning Meyer Johansen [1899-1941] one of 5 children to Christian Johann Nergaard Johannessen, Slydahl, Borge [1877 – 1945] and Oline Olesdatter [26 Oct 1875 Maalselven -1906].
Oline’s mother was Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter also known as “Finn-Nikoline” [10 Mar 1840 Maalselv – chrisend 31 May 1840, Lenvik kirke. Nickoline had 3 partners – She m; Mikal Markusen 9 Nov 1863, Lenvik kirke they had 2 children Martin Severin Mikalsen [16 Jun 1863 -1891] and Randine Bertine Mikalsdatter [22 May 1865] – Mikal died 7 Aug 1871.
Oline’s father was Ole Eilevsen [28 Feb 1863 Haugstveit, Hosanger – died 3 Nov 1904 Olsnesset, Vaagan, Lofoten.] Ole was married to Maria Johannesdatter [1833 Osteroy -1904 Vaagen] at the time of Oline’s birth. I will look in to Ole and Maria’s children later.
Nikoline’s last partner was Hartvik Jentoft Jensen [10 Aug 1819, Buksnes, Nordland -1909] they married 23 Oct 1899. In connection with this Nikoline is mention in the “bygdebook for Borge bd. 3 side 471. I have still to acquire this book to see it for myself. They lived at Bjørnerøya. It was sold 1911 by “tvangsauksjon”.
Nikoline was the youngest of 4 children to “flyttsamer” Kirsten Larsdatter and Peder Nielsen m; 2.9.1832 – Lenvik kirke. Ellen Kirstin born 16.10.1831, froze to death April 1840- Reinskallen. Lars Niels born 1.7.1833 marred Marie Hansdatter 16.1.1890, Maalselv [I believe both may have been married before]. Ole born 3.12. 1837, drowned June 1852, Maalselv.
Kirsten’s parents were Elen Pedersdatter and Lars Pedersen born ca. 1775. Both Kirsten and Peder were probably born in Sweden around 1806. They lived at Storjord in 1840. In 1865 cences Kirsten is at Skardahl a widow working for her food; she died 9.5.1879, Foshoug, Målselvfossen.
To gain a little knowledge of Same life I have ordered a book kindly recommended to me on the Same part of the forum. A little understanding of their movement and travel would probably be of benefit as my geographical knowledge of the north of Norway and Sweden is limited as well as life there in the 1800’s and earlier. I also understand from reading the forum that the Same may have spelled their names different than the priests interpretation of it. :? I am looking for any information on Elen and Lars and their parents etc. Peder, his death and his parents is also on top of my list. I have decided to put this under “Lenvik” as the connections with Peder, Kirsten and Nikoline are there.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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I found Ole, Nikoline and Olina in the 1875 census at Smedvik (Nakken), Vågan, Nordland.

The census don't list Ole as married.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 006&lnr=00

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Hei Nils


Thank you for finding 1875 censes – I had tried several different ways of spelling Ellevsen and not the correct one. :oops: You are right it do not say he is married or mention Nikolina being a widow, neither does Oline’s church record. :? I see they have dropped the e in Ole for “Olsdatter “– is that right?
I did find Nikoline and her first family in the 1865 censes and Nikolina’s son Martin Mikalsen is in Målselv and Randi [Randine] in Trondenes in 1875 censes.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?u ... 34409&js=j

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 011&lnr=00

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 079&lnr=00

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 019&lnr=00

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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In the 1875 Nikoline is listed as "Tjenestepike ug (e)". I belive the (e) means enke = widow. Tjenestepike means maid. Ole Ellevsen occupation is tømmermann = carpenter.

Nicoline Jonette had her confirmation in Lenvik 1858. (Nr:24 1858)
http://www.lenvik-museum.no/meny2/PDF-f ... 3-1880.pdf

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Hei Nils

Thankyou Nils, nice bit of information on the “konfirmasjon” records and the 1900 censes. I do think I found the 1865 censes for Ole and Marie as you can see a 3ed censes a 3ed way of spelling “Ellefssøn”. I have tried to find Marie in the 1875 censes, no luck. I was looking on family search for the 2 boys when 2 girls popped up in stead. Bertina Karine b; 4 Oct 1870, and Elisabeth b; 7 May 1874, d; 14 mar 1874. I still have to look them up in the Didital Arkive.
Looking at your inleg’s, you seem to have extensive knowledge of Troms. What can you tell me about Storjord?


http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 36&lnr=000

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Storjord is used both about an area and the farm Storjord. The Storjord area includes farms Skavåsen, Øvre Moen, Mellom Moen, Nedre Moen, Storjorda, Skardalen and Nilasheimen. In the early records the area name Storjord is often used instead of the other farm names like Skardal(en).

Original Storjord is a Sami area. It was (probably) first used as a summer camp for nomadic Sami's. Around 1800 the first Sami's settled permanent in the area, living there also in the winter.

When Nicoline's brother Lars Pedersen marries in 1890, he is listed as born in Skardal and his father is listed as Peder Nilsen, Skardal. In 1865 Peder Nilsen's widow Kirsten is living at Skardal. Maybe the family lived in Skardal all the time ??

http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... v&RR=19403

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Hi Nils
Thank again - very intresting. Played with the information you give me. I do like that "historisk data" page. First I found 2 Peder Nilsen[Nielsen] at Storjord :?: Mine married to Kirsten and an other one marrid to Karen Gunnersd. with 2 children, one born the same year as Ole.
I think this may be Peder and Kirsten first child?
http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... &RR=100621
Your Lars Nils next and after their marridge 1832.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... &RR=100720
Ole next http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... &RR=100720
the last child is Nikoline. Nikoline's "hjemmedaap" was at Gjertrud Larsdatter - may be Kirsten's sister? Her "forlover" was Peder Larsen, Storjord - may be her brother? Ole's "daap" was at Nils Larsen, Storjord - may be an other brother? Lars Niels "fadder" is Henrik Larsen. Look like a lot of family for Kirsten. Would a "bygdebook" be a good thing to get? I also piked up the death of Maria Hansdt. in 1907[Lars Nils's wife] . :roll: somewhere on someones inleg is the ? where is Tansmoen - I can't recall what the replay was :oops:

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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In the marriage record Peder Nilsen is listed as born at Tansmoen.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... v&RR=20287
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 620092.jpg
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 620367.jpg

I don't know where Tansmoen is, can't find any other references to Tansmoen anywhere else.

Målselv bygdebok vol 2, have information abt. the Storjord farms but I havn't found any more information abt. Peder Nilsen, Kirsten Larsdatter or Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter there.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Some info abt. the death of Nicoline Johnette Pedersdatter's first husband:

Dødsårsak: (Cause of death)
Døde pludseligt medens han arbejdede paa Marken som Slaatkarl paa Moen
(Died suddenly while working as a helper on the fields at the Moen farm)

http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... &RR=102724

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Oline Olsdatter baptised at Trondenes, Troms in 1875. The record tells that Oline was born at Målsnes in Målselv. Ole and Nicoline have been staying at Harstadsøen where Nikoline's daughter Randi was listed as a fosterchild in 1875.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 680092.jpg

Oline Olsdatter's confirmation Borge 1890
In 1890 she lived at the farm Kongjord in Borge, she was also at Kongsjord in 1897 when her youngest child Jenny was born out of wedlock.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 670067.jpg

Oline Olsdatter's marriage in Borge 1898:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 670144.jpg

Oline Olsdatter's death 29.May.1906
Cause of death was "giktfeber" (rheumatic fever).
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 030249.jpg

Oline Olsen at Slydalen, Borge in the 1900 census.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 023&lnr=00

Her husband and children (Jenny, Oskar, Solveig and Johannes) in the 1910 census
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 029&lnr=00
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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Nicoline at Bjørnerø in the 1900 census
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 020&lnr=00

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Hei Nils
Thankyou
Lovely surprise- :D Work week-ends so not a lot of computer time. Did find another marriage for Lars Nils after finding him in the 1910 folketelling. He is now blind, a little remark next to his name in the kirke book. His wife dies 1913.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 003&lnr=00
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?s ... e=nei&ls=1
http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... &RR=104574
also picked up the birthdates for his children with Elen but not their wedding.

Randine now at Buksnes - "fl' next to her name - but I can't at a glance see the connection with the family there?
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 012&lnr=00
got to study what you have given me - thankyou.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 21. februar 2011 kl. 21.08

I know the farm Brannmodalen where Lars lived in 1910 very well. My grandfather bought it in 1930 and my father grew up there. When he bought the farm a part of the deal was that the former owners Ole Eriksen and Kari Olsdatter could lived there for the rest of their lifes. My father remember Ole and Kari well.

I havn't found Lars Nils and Elen's marriage either. Elen Nilsdatter was from the Storjord area too, so the marriage should have been in Lenvik or Målselv.

When Peder Nilsen and Kirsten Larsdatter got their fist child Ellen Kirstine they lived at Tagvannet. I think that must have been a summer camp and that they at the time lived a nomadic life. Maybe they also did when they lived at Storjord/Skardal ??

The fl next to Randine's name in 1900 is interesting. It means "familie logerende". In english "living with family members". So she should have some kind of family connection to Konrad Davidsen or Gunhilde Johansdatter.

My guess is that Nikoline and Hartvik was the last people living at Bjørnerøya. I didn't find anyone there in 1910. The new maps and photos don't show any houses at the island.

I don't know if you have studied the maps. The places in Borge, Buksnes and Vågan is quite close to each other. Today they all a part of Vestvågøy kommune.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Malangen bygdebok tells that Nikoline's son Martin Severin Mikalsen was a fosterchild with Jens Eriksen, Målsnes. (The same family that he lived with in 1875)

He was married to Baardanna Jonsdatter and they had a daughter Augusta Marie Martinsdatter b.1889.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... d&RR=96681

Martin Severin Mikalsen died in 1891.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 030152.jpg

His wife, Baardanna Jonsdatter married second time with Nils Martin Johansen.
They lived at Målsnes in the 1900 census.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 037&lnr=00

Some of the descendents from Augusta Marie Martinsdatter have made a genealogy website.
http://www.bratne.com/slekt_eng.html

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Hei Nils
Interesting connection with Brandmodalen, is your father still there? In the 1900 folketelling Olufine Tollefsdatter is there, she is a widow and a Kårkone. I remember the word Kår as in Kårstova or Kårahus but don’t quit get what Kår wife is? In the 1865 and 75 folketlling Olufine is at Rognmo with husband Simon Ottesen. Maybe Ole and Kari is related to her somewhere?
In the web page you give me today there is a 3 child for Nikoline and Mikael :o – intresting.

Intresting bit of info on Martin Severin Mikalsen too, thankyou. :D I have not got a good map of Norway, and you must have mutch better laws when it comes to google earth - you can see our front door's her :x How ever, have asked my foster brother to find one for me.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 010&lnr=00

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Hei Nils

Did find Nickoline's other child thanks to the web page you found :D


http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?s ... e=nei&ls=1
nr;25 Konfirmert
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?s ... e=nei&ls=1

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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also the 1875 folketelling they mention
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... k=444#ovre

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 23. februar 2011 kl. 18.57

Heidi, the links to the scanned churchbook pages don't work.

You have to make links to the scanned pages, by selecting PDF1 and then copy and paste the link you got on that site. Nice if you repost the last ones.

Brandmodalen was abonded when my grandfather and his sister died in the 1980's. The main house was removed a few years ago.

kår an allowance of food, living space, etc. (basically room and board)
given to a farmer in his old age as a form of pension after he had given the
farm to his heir (usually the oldest son). See also "kårstova" and
"odelsgutt" /"odelsjente". The "kår" agreement was usually made with
the son/daughter who took over/inherited the farm. Also see "føderåd"

kårfolk elderly couple who is supported by kår

kårhus house on the farm where the kårfolk live

kårkone elderly woman who is being supported by kår

kårmann elderly man who is being supported by kår

kårstue house on a farm where the kårfolk live

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Oldine Petrine Mikalsdatter died at Aursfjordgård, Malangen in 1889.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 030150.jpg


Some map and photo links:

Norgesglasset, Statens Kartverk:
http://kart.statkart.no/adaptive2/defau ... i=1&lang=2

Norge i bilder:
http://kart.statkart.no/adaptive2/defau ... i=1&lang=2

Etnographic maps:
http://www.dokpro.uio.no/friiskartene/1 ... rsikt.html

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http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 620153.jpg

:roll: I just done a lot of strange tings and have learned where deleate is - thanks Nils :lol:

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There is a connection between Randine (Randi) Mikalsdatter and Katrine Johansdatter that both lived at Kremmervik, Buksnes in the 1900 census.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 012&lnr=00

They were both from the same area of Målselv (Malangen). Randine (Randi) born at Navaren and Katrine at Målsnes. There are also a family connection.

Katrine's brother Nils Martin Johansen (1856-1933) married the widow after Randine (Randi's) brother Martin Severin Mikalsen, Baardanna Johnsen (1856-).

Konrad Davidsen and Saralf (Sarald) Haldorsen at Kremmervik in 1900 are brothers. Karoline Kristoffersdatter is Konrad's mother-in-law. (his first wife's mother)

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Hei Nils
Nice work - Spent some time geting my head around thise information :roll: looked up some of it and got :?
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... rk=46#ovre

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... k=420#ovre
This is better than any movie :P Found Katrine and Nils with their family 1875 - their father is Johan Eriksen - there is a Johan Eriksen of simelar age on your 1900 folketelling?
Konrad is a child on the 1875 FT, him and his familiy already a part of Ole Olsen Stenbro's household.
On the web page you give me earlier they have Niels Larsen as Peder Nilsen father, no other information on him. :?:

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The first settler at Brannmodalen was Simon Ottesen. He bought a part of Rognmoen nordre from his brother Enok Ottesen in 1869. Their sister Ane Marta Ottesdatter was my great-great grandmother.

Simon Ottesen was in his first marriage married to Olufine Ingeborgtine Marie Tollefsdatter. In 1898 they sold the farm to Ole Eriksen and Kari Olsdatter for 'kår'. Their son Tollef had emigrated to America and thir other children had died young.

In 1907 Olufine Ingeborgtine Marie Tollefsdatter married Lars Niels Pedersen.

Niels Larsen as Peder Nilsen father is new to me, not sure what the source for that is.

When Peder Nilsen and Kirsten Larsdatter got thir first child they were listed as living at Takvaten.

Her confirmation in 1828, born at Takvatten with parents Lars Peersen ane Ellen Persdatter.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... k&RR=16973

Her brother Niels confirmation in 1829
http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... k&RR=17010

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Hei Nils
That is a very interesting connection. :D I do not know where they got Niels Larsen from; have tried to e-mail using the address on the web page but it did not work. :? I am intrigued by some of the remarks made by the priests on the “konfirmants” record. Kirsti’s “Ussel”- at 23 my mind would be elsewhere too, Nickoline’s was “Maadelig Kunskabe, seer letsindig ud, har under forberedelser vist ret godt forhold.” – in a way not nice to refer to a person’s look but it does today give us insight we would not otherwise have. A young man on the same list you sent earlier had done well but was described as “kun meget søvnig.” :lol: Now back on track, where is Takvatten? – Niels was fader in one or more of Kirsti’s children’s christening. Did you trace Tollef in America?

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The priests comments in confirmation records were very frank. I have seen many examples. I am not sure how public they were at the time.

Takvatn is a lake south east of Storjord / Skardalen.
http://kart.statkart.no/adaptive2/defau ... etBasemap2

I havn't found Tøllef's emigration record, just a comment abt. emigration in Målselv bygdebok.

I have tried to find Peder Nielsen and Kirsten Larsdatter in the Swedish records, but no luck so far. There are some Swedish familyregisters that are very useful when searching for Swedish Sami's that settled to Norway.

http://www.lenvik-museum.no/meny5/Samis ... 3_2007.pdf

http://www.lenvik-museum.no/meny5/Samis ... 9_1923.pdf

http://www.lenvik-museum.no/meny5/Samis ... t_2007.pdf

http://www.lenvik-museum.no/meny5/Samis ... d_2007.pdf

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av Åse Kvitle Kristiansen » 3. mars 2011 kl. 22.51

I wonder if this might be Tøllef Simonsen's emigration in 1896.

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 83804#ovre

There is no Torleif Simonsen in Målselv in 1875 so I thought this might be Tøllef.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 3. mars 2011 kl. 23.24

The age fits, so I am pretty sure it's the right Tøllef/Tollev/Toleiv.

Here he is in 1875.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 83804#ovre

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 3. mars 2011 kl. 23.44

There is a Niels Larsen, Grønvold that marries Kirsten Pedersdatter, Grønvold in 1831.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... v&RR=20282

They got a daughter Ellen Anna in 1832.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... &RR=100609

Grønvold is close to Storjord and the family is Sami. The age fits with the confirmation record for Niels Larsen, Takvatn.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 6. mars 2011 kl. 18.57

I found another child of Lars Peersen (Pedersen) and Elen Peersdatter (Pedersdatter).
- Lars b. ca.1799 in Sweden.

http://home.c2i.net/kjeterik/slektsbok.htm

1865-census, Kvanlid, Målselv:
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 2&bnr=0081

Funeral 1875:
http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... &RR=102840

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj12591 » 7. mars 2011 kl. 15.39

Hei Nils
Wonderful find - it gives us another possibility to find the Swedish connection. Did Sweden have censes around the same time as Norway? As Lars was born c 1799 there may be another child as Kirsten was born c 1806 and Niels c1810. On Lars 1865 folketelling it says he has been in Norway about 40 years - that makes it around 1815 when they settled down. It makes sense when Kirsten and Niels birthplace is Takvatn and not one of the little plases around the lake, as the family possibly camped beside the lake at the time?

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 7. mars 2011 kl. 23.03

Heidi

You're right, I think they had a summer camp close to the lake. (Takvannet)

Maybe they also had a camp at Skardal ?? Målselv bygdebok tells that the nomadic sami's had a summer camp in Skardal until abt.1890. It also tells that Skardalen was a place where the Rheindeer used to get their calfes.

So in the 1800's Skardalen (and the Storjord area) was a mix of permanent and seasonal setlement.

Also from Målselv bygdebok:
"In july 1828 the Sami, Lars Larsen got his permit to settle at Skardal. He had already lived there for several years before he got the permit. Not long after 1828 he moved from Skardal to Sørreisa. His son Lars Paul Larsen later moved to Kvannlia in Målselv.

This fits very well with the info abt. Lars Larsen that I found yesterday. (Leirbogen is a farm in Sørreisa).

Did you notice Nikoline's connection to Leirbogen ? Her baptism record tells that she had been baptised at home by Gjertrud Larsdatter, Leerbogen.

The farm Kvanlia is next to Storlid where Lars Niels Pedersen lived in 1875. Nikoline's sister Ellen Kirstine Pedersdatter died at Reinskallen in 1840. Reinskallen is a mountain quite close to Kvanlia/Storlid.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj12591 » 11. mars 2011 kl. 10.34

Hei Nils
Sorry Nils I have been a bit short on computer time this week – playing with puzzles of a different variety and watching Dora has been on top of the list, my delightful granddaughter will go home after the weekend. :D The only Swedish censes I can find is for 1890. I did have a closer look at the digital arkivev- thought the photo section was a wonderful Idea – where people could put old photos of farms around the country. Found when I put Maalselv in and clicked on Farm – I got all the farms there for the 1910 censes. Storjord came up as a “telling area” not a farm? :? Back to Lars Pedersen and Elen Pedersdatter – I would presume they may have one or two other children – I would not be surprised if Gjertrud Larsdatter from Leerbogen is one. Lars Larsen has a child by that name born the same year as her cousin Nikoline – reading in my new book they often used names from relatives. Will look to see if I find her connection.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 12. mars 2011 kl. 17.57

In Norway it was very usual to name the children after relatives. Especially their grandparents. The youngest boy was named after fathers father, the second youngest boy after mothers father, the youngest girl after fathers mother the second youngest after mothers mother.

I don't know if this name tradition was as strong among etnic Samis as it was among etnic Norwegians.

Some first names was very commen among samis like Per (Peder), Lars, Nils, Gunder, Elen and Kirsten.

Gjertrud Larsdatter, Lerbogen was born abt. 1815. She was born at the mountains on Norwegian side and both parents were Sami. Obviously her parents must have lived a nomadic life, she could very well be the daughter of Lars Persen and Elen Persdatter.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 032&lnr=00

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj12591 » 14. mars 2011 kl. 9.18

Hei Nils
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 620417.jpg
Gertrud is the dougther of Lars Larsen

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj12591 » 16. mars 2011 kl. 11.10

Hei Nils
This is Lars Konformation record - his brother John [16 aar] was konfirmed at the same time - John was born in Norway. I have been trying to find Lars's birth using LDS records - Lars Larsen was a very popular name at the time. :?

http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... k&RR=16871

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 19. mars 2011 kl. 13.56

Hi !

This is probably John Larsen's marriage with Berith Nielsdatter in 1831. The age differs a few years from the confirmation record but I think it's the right "John".
http://www.rhd.uit.no/kirkebok/kbliste. ... v&RR=20261

John and Berit's children:
- Elen Anna b.1835 - Skarheim
- Niels b.1838 - Skarhjemmet
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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj12591 » 20. mars 2011 kl. 2.20

Hei Nils
Can you please do the last "link" again - thanyou
Heidi :wink:

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 20. mars 2011 kl. 11.00

Have fixed the link.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av Ole Heggelund » 18. januar 2013 kl. 15.30

Da har jeg funnet ut hvor det ble av "Finn-Nikolines" datter Randine. Hun emigrerer til Canada den 30.08.1905 med emigrantskipet "Tasso" fra Trondheim. Reisemålet er Port Arthur i Ontario. Det står at hennes bopel i Norge er Vågan, så hun må ha flyttet fra Buksnes til Vågan en gang mellom 1900 og 1905.

Samme året gifter hun seg i Thunder Bay i Canada med Karl Kristian Olsen. Det står i "Ontario Marriages 1869-1927" at hun da er 40 år og at brudgommen er 50 år.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 19. januar 2013 kl. 12.18

I "Ontario Marriages 1869-1927" står det at begges fødested er Tromsø. Tror det kan tolkes som Tromsø-området, Randine var jo født i Lenvik.
(Kanskje det er Tranø og ikke Tromsø som er Karl Kristian's fødested)

Hans foreldre Ola Kristian Olsen og Oleane Kristensdatter.

I emigrasjonslisten står det at Randine's billett var betalt i Amerika, kanskje Karl Kristian allerede hadde reist over og at de allerede var et par ??
Du har ikke de nødvendige tillatelsene for å vise filene som er tilknyttet dette innlegget.
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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 19. januar 2013 kl. 14.51

I 1905 emigrer Karl Olsen Stokland fra Vaagan til Port Arthur. Han er skipper og født 1853.
Tror dette kan være Randine's ektemann.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 18551#ovre

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

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Karl Olsen Stakland
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 036&lnr=00

Jeg tror måten det er ført på kan bety at han ikke var på Tranøy når folketellinga ble holdt ??

I 1910 skrives navnet på gården Stokland.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 20. januar 2013 kl. 1.05

Hmmm, nr.69 Kort Kristian både passer og passer ikke. Foreldrenes fornavn Ole Kristian og Oleanna. Samme fornavn som på vielsen i Thunder Bay. Født 1851 passer ganske bra. Tranøy passer.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 020962.jpg

Foreldrene gift i 1865
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 012&lnr=00

1875
Kort Kristian Olsen gift med Elen Dortea Kristensdatter. Har sønnen Ejlert Kristian Olsen.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 002&lnr=00

1900
Elen Kristensdatter bor på Stakland, Karl Olsen bortreist ?
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 036&lnr=00
Karl Olsen i Vågan ?
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 004&lnr=00

1905
Karl Olsen Stakland emigrer fra Vaagan til Port Arthur, Canada
Randine Bertine Mekalsen emigrer til Port Arthur, Canada
Randine og Karl Kristian Olsen gifter seg i Port Arthur

Jeg tror at Kort Kristian Olsen, Karl Olsen Stokland og Karl Kristian Olsen er samme person.
Elen Kristansdatter døde vistnok i 1907, i såfall har Kort/Karl foretatt bigami.
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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 20. januar 2013 kl. 10.24

I folketellingen 1900 på digitalarkivet er det et merknadsfelt. Bak Karl Olsen på Stakland står marknaden. "Manden rømt"
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... rk=36#ovre
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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj00144 » 20. januar 2013 kl. 11.15

I Canada har de en folketelling i 1911, finner ingen Olsen eller Stokland som passer i Port Arthur.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/ ... sp?did=123

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj12591 » 14. desember 2019 kl. 10.04

Hi Nils I hope you are still around. I have started looking at my family again. Back in 2011 my computer walked out the door with out me. :oops: I also moved form WA to NSW. I did have lots of print outs and the talk's on this page has been very important and valuable to a new beginning. Many of the links after me leaving are not working today. :cry:
This time I am backing it up on the LDS page
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So we are still looking for Nikoline's death or may be some one found it? I certainly would like to know more of Randine, she was young enough at 40 to have children after arriving in Canada

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj12591 » 22. desember 2019 kl. 11.32

1910 census, Valberg, Borge, Nordland - Langnesset gaard. Gnr 12. Lop nr 7
There is a Nicoline Pedersdatter born Maalselven 1840-02-04?? (as written) el (eldre i assume), enke , Fattiglem. Age and status fits, birth mnt. and day out. She is living with Petter Martinusen 1867, Borge, Maria Olsdatter 1867, Hadsel and there son. Could it be the right Nicoline?? 1900censes she was at Bjornero.

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av Bent Roger Ødegaard » 22. desember 2019 kl. 20.27

Mvh. BentØ

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Re: Nikoline Johnette Pedersdatter -"Finn-Nikoline"

Legg inn av gj12591 » 24. desember 2019 kl. 4.30

Thankyou Bent I had not seen the explanation.
Two good words. She is only 70, has outlived 2 husbands, 3 children and Randine left for America. With no income I would think she would have to do some work for food and lodgings.
I did see some where they are working on the 1920 census. She may have lived a little longer. Have not seen her death yet. And I have looked through pages of the church book.

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