Some more Bacon

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Some more Bacon

Legg inn av wjhonson » 31. januar 2008 kl. 9.46

While looking more at the Molyneux family, I found a few references
to the fact that William Molyneux, MP for the City of Dublin in 1691
had a wife named Lucy Domville who was the mother of his eldest son
Samuel Molyneux "secretary to George II while he was Prince of Wales"

If anyone has a good source on Samuel's birthyear I'd like to see it.

At any rate, Lucy is called the daughter of "William Domville Attorney
General in Ireland"

http://books.google.com/books?id=FSwAAA ... =#PPA84,M1

and this William's wife *apparently* was this Bridget Lake

http://books.google.com/books?id=7CEIAA ... w9RG2rCNZU

Bridget Lake is given as a daughter of "Thomas Lake"
But I'm not quite sure which one.

At first I was tempted to say her mother was that Dorothy Manners who
married Thomas Lake (d 1653) but the only other child I have currently
from this union is Dorothy Lake baptised 25 Jul 1635 at St Martin in
the Fields

And Bridget must be significantly older than Dorothy

There *is* however a Bridget Lake baptised 9 Jul 1616 at St Martin in
the Fields with father Thomas and mother unhelpfully blank.

For baptism see
http://www.familysearch.org - IGI - British Isles - Batch P001451

Which now makes me think that Bridget Lake is the youngest child of
Thomas Lake, Secretary of State who was born abt 1567 and died 17 Sep
1630 at Canons by his wife Mary Ryther who was buried 25 Feb 1642/3 at
Whitchurch, Middlesex

This identification would pull Mary's birthrange up slightly but not
into any problem area.

Mary Ryther was the daughter of William Ryther who was Lord Mayor of
London in 1600 and who died 30 Aug 1611 at Leyton although his funeral
was held at St Olave Hart Street. William Ryther's wife was named
Elizabeth Stone and her father was Richard Stone of Holme, Norfolk. I
have no Further info on these Stones, but see

http://books.google.com/books?id=lC08AA ... #PPA539,M1

Now it just so turns out that this William Ryther, had another
daughter Susan Ryther who married as his third wife Thomas "Seazer".
The instantly made me sit up, because all the Caesar family in
England, AFAIK, are related to each other in known ways.

Thomas Caesar, Knt, Baron of the Exchequer was the son of Dr Caesar
Adelmare by his wife Margery Unknown. Thomas Caesar and Susan Ryther
had at least or exactly seven children, the last Alice being born
posthumously, Thomas having died in 1610, and Alice being baptised on
5 Dec 1610 at St Dunstan's in the West, London

Douglas informs us that this Alice married William Rodney, Gent of
Catcott in Moorlinch, Somerset who is a 10th generation descendent
from the English throne, through his mother Jane Seymour

http://books.google.com/books?id=p_yzpu ... SLgdGcb3FU

Thomas Caesar had two brothers. Henry Caesar was the Dean of Ely and
I no nothing further on him.

The other brother, Sir Julius Caesar Master of the Rolls "for over 20
years" was born in 1557 and died 18 Apr 1636 and was buried at St
Helen's Church, Bishopsgate, London. He was his father's eldest son
and born at his father's house near Tottenham.

Sir Julius Caesar married three times. His first wife was Dorcus
Martin who died in 1595 she was daughter of Richard Martin, Alderman
of London

http://books.google.com/books?id=uFkBAA ... #PPA117,M1

They were married by Oct 1581, I don't know if they had issue.

His second wife is given both as Alice Grant, and as Alice Dent, I
don't know why, perhaps she was a widow. They married in 1596 and had
at least one child John Caesar, Knt of Sandon, co Herts born 1596/8 as
he was "abt 20" on his married license dated 12 Dec 1617 for marriage
at Chapel of the Rolls, Chancery Lane to Anne Hungate "age 15"

And here we get a little curious.
On the marriage license, Anne's father is only called blank Hungate,
Gent of Branham, Norfolk. John's father is specified as Julius who
gives consent, but then for Anne is says her mother is Anne, wife of
Julius Caesar.

So here we have again, the today-weird, concept of step-siblings
getting married.

But who is Anne wife of Julius Caesar??

Here we have the kicker.
Anne Wodehouse, married firstly to William Hungate, Gent of East
Bradenham, co Norfolk. He died abt 1607/9 after they had at least two
children Sir Henry Hungate Knt who m in 1619 Anna Walpole; and Anne
Hungate as above.

On 19 Apr 1615 at the Chapel of the Rolls, the widower Sir Julius
Caesar, and the widow Anne (Wodehouse) Hungate married each other.

Two years later, they married their children to each other.

Anne Wodehouse was the daughter of Henry Wodehouse, esq of Waxham, co
Norfolk, by his wife Anne Bacon "one of the daughter of Keeper
Nicholas Bacon"

Keeper Nicholas was married twice. Firstly to Jane Fernley who died
in 1552 and secondly to Anne Cooke by 1558. I don't yet have enough
datapoints of Anne (Bacon) Woodhouse nor her husband Henry to pin down
which wife of Nicholas Bacon's might be Anne's mother.

http://books.google.com/books?id=cLfYbG ... %22+caesar
"one of the daughters of Sir Nicholas Bacon, Keeper of the Great Seal"


Will Johnson

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Re: Some more Bacon

Legg inn av Gjest » 31. januar 2008 kl. 10.40

On Jan 31, 7:45 pm, wjhonson <[email protected]> wrote:

Anne Wodehouse was the daughter of Henry Wodehouse, esq of Waxham, co
Norfolk, by his wife  Anne Bacon "one of the daughter of Keeper
Nicholas Bacon"

Keeper Nicholas was married twice.  Firstly to Jane Fernley who died
in 1552 and secondly to Anne Cooke by 1558.  I don't yet have enough
datapoints of Anne (Bacon) Woodhouse nor her husband Henry to pin down
which wife of Nicholas Bacon's might be Anne's mother.

According to the ODNB article on Nicholas Bacon (by Robert Tittler),
by his first marriage to Jane Ferneley there were six children:
Nathaniel, Elizabeth (I), Nicholas Anne, Edward and Elizabeth (II).
Two more children were born of the second marriage to Anne Cooke
(c1528-1610), which ODNB says took place "by February 1553"; these
were Anthony and Francis.

I note that Anne sisters married William Cecil and Henry Killigrew...

MA-R

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Re: Some more Bacon

Legg inn av Gjest » 31. januar 2008 kl. 10.43

On Jan 31, 7:45 pm, wjhonson <[email protected]> wrote:
While looking more at the Molyneux family, I found a few references
to  the fact that William Molyneux, MP for the City of Dublin in 1691
had a wife named Lucy Domville who was the mother of his eldest son
Samuel Molyneux "secretary to George II while he was Prince of Wales"

If anyone has a good source on Samuel's birthyear I'd like to see it.

ODNB to the rescue?

According to his biography by A.M. Clerke (reviewed by Anita
McConnell), Samuel was born at Chester on 18 July 1689. He was the
third son of William Molyneux (1656-1698) - also an ODNB subject - by
Lucy Domville (d 1691), youngest daughter of Sir William Domville.
His uncle Thomas Molyneux (1661-1733) is also an ODNB subject too.

All the talk of Bacon and Tonge is making me hungry!

MA-R

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