Flyktet han fra farskapet til Amerika?

[Bjørn Harry Støle]

Andreas Johannesen ble født i Lier, den 25/2-1870Lier kirkebøker, SAKO/A-230/F/Fa/L0013: Ministerialbok nr. I 13, 1865-1874, s. 77https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061101360081

Hans far, Johannes Andreassen var husmand på Fosshougen, under Foss gård, fra 1873 til han døde i 1888. Ved folketellingen i 1891 er det oppgitt Auri (Foss) som bosted for Andreas, der han bodde sammen med moren Berte og søsteren Bergite.001 Andreas Johannesen - 0020 Auri (Foss) - 007 Brastad - Tellingskretsoversikt - Folketelling 1891 for 0626 Lier herred - Digitalarkivet Vi finner han ikke i folketellingen i 1900, mens moren da bor oss en annen sønn, Peder i Skoger.001 Peder Johannesen - 0036 Braathen - 005 - Tellingskretsoversikt - Folketelling 1900 for 0712 Skoger herred - Digitalarkivet I følge familietradisjonen kom Andreas til USA i 1889 eller 1890. I og med at han ved folketellingen i 1891 bodde i Lier, kan ikke det stamme. Jeg har så langt ikke funnet han i noen emigantprotokoller/passasjerlister.

Imidlertid fikk Andreas, ifølge kirkeboken i Lier et barn (en sønn) i mars 1893, i hvert fall har barnets mor oppgitt han som far. Det blir en spekulasjon, men kan Andreas, fordi han ønsket seg vekk fra dette, ha ført til at han emigrerte? Lier kirkebøker, SAKO/A-230/F/Fb/L0001: Ministerialbok nr. II 1, 1883-1910, s. 45 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb10311205300050 Både jeg og ikke minst slektningene i USA ville satt stor pris på om noen kunne hjelpe oss med å finne når han dro fra Norge. 
 

[Astrid Mollan]

Det ligger mange trær med ham rundt omkring. Mye forskjellig rot. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/180 ... ohannessen

Mulig? Name: Andreas Johannessen
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1870
Arrival Year: 1897
Arrival Place: Alabama
Primary Immigrant: Johannessen, Andreas
Source Publication Code: 3815.5
Source Bibliography: KING, CLINTON P., and MERIEM A. BARLOW. Naturalization Records, Mobile, Alabama, 1833-1906. Baltimore: Gateway Press, 1986. 138p.
Household Members (Name)
Andreas Johannessen

Name: Andrew Johnson
Birth Year: abt 1870
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age in 1930: 60
Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1930: New Independence, St Louis, Minnesota, USA
Map of Home: New Independence, St Louis, Minnesota
Street Address: Shipley Road
Dwelling Number: 50
Family Number: 50
Home Owned or Rented: Owned
Radio Set: No
Lives on Farm: Yes
Age at First Marriage: 30
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Language Spoken: Norwegian
Immigration Year: 1893
Naturalization: Naturalized
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Farmer
Industry: Dairy farm
Class of Worker: Working on own account
Employment: Yes
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Andrew Johnson 60 Head
Nettie L Johnson
53 Wife
Laura Johnson
21 Daughter
Norman Johnson
17 Son
Arnold Johnson
11 Son
Agnes Johnson
8 Daughter
Balitha Larson
86 Mother-in-law
Neighbors:

 
 
 

[Astrid Mollan]

Ikke gift i 1900.

Name: Nettie Larson
Age: 23
Birth Date: Oct 1876
Birthplace: Minnesota, USA
Home in 1900: Houston, Houston, Minnesota
Sheet Number: 1
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 15
Family Number: 17
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Servant
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Lewis Ousgard
34 Head
Anna Ousgard
33 Wife
Orrin Ousgard
10 Son
Agnes Ousgard
8 Daughter
Ruth Ousgard
3/12 Daughter
Laura Ousgard
4 Daughter
Clara Langen
20 Sister in Law (Sister-in-law)
Nettie Larson 23 Servant
Anlia Hostoet
14 Niece

Name: Nettie Louise Johannessen
Death Age: 83
Record Type: Death
Birth Date: 9 Oct 1876
Death Date: 8 Apr 1960
Death Place: Saint Louis, Minnesota, USA
Death Registration Date: 1960
Mother's Maiden Name: No Record
Certificate Number: 032334
Record Number: 1431658

Emma Hostoet
11 Niece
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[Astrid Mollan]

Barnebarn
 Name: Bertha A Krogh
Age: 45
Birth Date: abt 1905
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Place: Minnesota
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Residence Date: 1950
Home in 1950: Cylon, St Croix, Wisconsin, USA
Street Name: 46 N of D. P.
Dwelling Number: 30
Farm: Yes
Occupation Category: Keeping House
Worked Last Week: No
Seeking Work: No
Employment Status: No
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Oscar G Krogh
53 Head
Bertha A Krogh 45 Wife
Gerhard B Krogh
12 Son
Curtis V Krogh
7 Son
Barbara Ann K Krogh
14 Daughter
Carol R Krogh
4 Daughter

[Bjørn Harry Støle]

Takk for opplysningene, men jeg kan ikke se noe om hans emigrasjon fra Norge/immigrasjon til Amerika? Skulle gjerne hatt opplysninger om det.
 
Med vennlig hilsen
Bjørn Harry Støle
 

[Astrid Mollan]

Jeg fant ikke annet enn et offisielt skriv om at en med det navnet ankom 1897. Se tidligere innlegg.
Spørsmålet er hvilket navn han brukte ved reisen. Dro han om Canada slik at han ikke var innom Ellis Island. Slett ikke alle reisene er oppbevart og skannet. Jeg ser at ingen av trærne jeg har funnet inneholder ankomstår.  Tenk etter hvilket navn han kan ha brukt. 

Har dere sjekket om det finnes en bidragssak på ham? Alle fedre måtte betale bidrag. Det kan gi et hint om når han forsvant.
 
Han kan ha tatt hyre på en båt. Da melder en ikke flytting. Det kan stå i skipsprotokollene. Ikke uvanlig at skipsmannskap hoppet av i Amerika. 
 

[Helge Bjerkevoll]

Nasjonalbiblioteket kan jo også være en kilde å lete i. Noen ganger var det også slik at det ble sak av det om en stakk av fra farskapet. Et eksempel på det fann jeg her ene dagen.

Dette er vel såpass gammelt det ikke behøver sladding. 


 
 

[Brit Sæther]

I det første innlegget til Astrid som vel gjelder folketellingen i 1930 - står det et stykke ned på siden  "immigration year: 1893".  Eller har jeg misforstått?

Hilsen
Brit
 

[Astrid Mollan]

Det stemmer at det står 1893 på flere FT. Det er nok omtrent det som er riktig.
 
 1910
Name: J Andudas Johanssen
[Gerdredas Johnson]
[Jandredas Johanesen]
[Andreas Johannessen]
[Johannessen]
[Johannessen]
Age in 1910: 40
Birth Date: 1870
[1870]
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: New Independence, Saint Louis, Minnesota, USA
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1890
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Nette L Johanssen
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Farmer
Industry: General Farm
Employer, Employee or Other: Own Account
Home Owned or Rented: Own
Home Free or Mortgaged: Mortgaged
Farm or House: Farm
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
J Andudas Johanssen 40 Head
Nette L Johanssen
33 Wife
Clara M Johanssen
9 Daughter
John O Johanssen
7 Son
Berta A Johanssen
5 Daughter
Carl A Johanssen
3 Son
Laura M Johanssen
1 Daughter

1920

Name: Andrews Johanson
[Andrews Johnson]
Age: 49
Birth Year: abt 1871
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1920: New Independence, St Louis, Minnesota
House Number: Farm
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1893
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Netty Johanson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: Norwegian
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Farmer
Industry: General Farm
Employment Field: Own Account
Home Owned or Rented: Owned
Home Free or Mortgaged: Free
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Andrews Johanson 49 Head
Netty Johanson
43 Wife
Bertha Johanson
15 Daughter
Carl Johanson
12 Son
Loria Johanson
11 Daughter
Norman Johanson
6 Son
Arnold Johanson
1 Son
 

1930
Name: Andrew Johnson
Birth Year: abt 1870
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age in 1930: 60
Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1930: New Independence, St Louis, Minnesota, USA
Map of Home: New Independence, St Louis, Minnesota
Street Address: Shipley Road
Dwelling Number: 50
Family Number: 50
Home Owned or Rented: Owned
Radio Set: No
Lives on Farm: Yes
Age at First Marriage: 30
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Language Spoken: Norwegian
Immigration Year: 1893
Naturalization: Naturalized
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Farmer
Industry: Dairy farm
Class of Worker: Working on own account
Employment: Yes
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Andrew Johnson 60 Head
Nettie L Johnson
53 Wife
Laura Johnson
21 Daughter
Norman Johnson
17 Son
Arnold Johnson
11 Son
Agnes Johnson
8 Daughter
Balitha Larson
86 Mother-in-law
Neighbors: View others on page