May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
Old-style genealogist -- roll call
Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:43:47 -0500, singhals <[email protected]>
wrote:
The first programs I saw were handwritten on scraps of paper by an
aunt and my m-i-l.
Technically I can raise my hand. I used a word processor before I was
aware that genie programs existed. It was only later that I discovered
PAF, Roots and Family Origins. So you might say I raised my hand as a
result of ignorance. I hope that counts!
I never cared for Roots or PAF but I liked Reunion - almost enough to
buy it. When I last tried PAF it did a sorry job on events (or I did).
Roots on Queen Anne's Lace are wild carrots - as a Scouter you need to
know that. Oops, that's the wrong Roots.
Hugh
wrote:
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
The first programs I saw were handwritten on scraps of paper by an
aunt and my m-i-l.
Technically I can raise my hand. I used a word processor before I was
aware that genie programs existed. It was only later that I discovered
PAF, Roots and Family Origins. So you might say I raised my hand as a
result of ignorance. I hope that counts!
I never cared for Roots or PAF but I liked Reunion - almost enough to
buy it. When I last tried PAF it did a sorry job on events (or I did).
Roots on Queen Anne's Lace are wild carrots - as a Scouter you need to
know that. Oops, that's the wrong Roots.
Hugh
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Charlie
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:43:47 -0500, singhals <[email protected]>
wrote:
Remember? Yes, but my rememberances are of seeing my in-laws and other
relatives doing it. I started with PAF. It just didn't seem
interesting until I could put it on a computer.
---
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
wrote:
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
Remember? Yes, but my rememberances are of seeing my in-laws and other
relatives doing it. I started with PAF. It just didn't seem
interesting until I could put it on a computer.
---
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
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Doug
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
singhals wrote:
Ah, yes. And I also remember requesting birth certificates from Michigan
county clerks for $3.00 each (1994). Now you can't even peruse the birth
registers in the courthouse ... privacy considerations ... but send
$13.00 to the State and you can get a certified copy (after proving your
relationship to the requested individual). This, or course, was about
1997, so the price has probably gone up.
I also remember boxes and drawers full of paper records. Come to think
of it, I now have more boxes and drawers full of paper records ...
they're just easier to come by now. The main benefit of genealogical
software is the ability to organize your records and produce reports
embellished with graphics, etc., with relative ease. (As opposed to
cut-and-paste and go to the printers to get something reproduced ...
which I've done also.)
Doug
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
Ah, yes. And I also remember requesting birth certificates from Michigan
county clerks for $3.00 each (1994). Now you can't even peruse the birth
registers in the courthouse ... privacy considerations ... but send
$13.00 to the State and you can get a certified copy (after proving your
relationship to the requested individual). This, or course, was about
1997, so the price has probably gone up.
I also remember boxes and drawers full of paper records. Come to think
of it, I now have more boxes and drawers full of paper records ...
they're just easier to come by now. The main benefit of genealogical
software is the ability to organize your records and produce reports
embellished with graphics, etc., with relative ease. (As opposed to
cut-and-paste and go to the printers to get something reproduced ...
which I've done also.)
Doug
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Lesley Robertson
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
"singhals" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
Mind you, I never used PAF - and I still check soc.roots a couple of times a
week. 3-4 times a year there's a newbie wondering where everyone is, and
then there's also the odd spammer defiling its silent halls.
Lesley Robertson
news:[email protected]...
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Me... I still have the sheets of graph paper....
Mind you, I never used PAF - and I still check soc.roots a couple of times a
week. 3-4 times a year there's a newbie wondering where everyone is, and
then there's also the odd spammer defiling its silent halls.
Lesley Robertson
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Phil Stevens
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
Hello , Does it count if we are continuing what our Mother started way
back in 1940s , I am working from her handwritten notes ! , Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "singhals" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:43 AM
Subject: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
back in 1940s , I am working from her handwritten notes ! , Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "singhals" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:43 AM
Subject: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
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Susie Zada
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
Before PAF or ROOTS etc??? Well, started with the proverbial scraps of
paper, then progressed to cards and card indexes, word processor and
spreadsheet on microcomputer from 1983, fidonet bulletin board for genealogy
in 1992, then Brother's Keeper for DOS - RADICAL move!! I still have lots
of scraps of paper and heaps of cards - and still use cards for some
tasks!!!!!!
Now I use Generations and Legacy and wondered how I kept track of
everything. <vbg>
I also remember being able to search registers and old records that are now
off-limits, but of course there weren't ANY indexes to these registers. We
had to do a LOT more groundword to narrow down the search before
methodically searching every page to find a specific entry.
And I still shudder when I see so many people expecting everything to be
indexed as well as the original records being available on-line and free -
they just don't realise the fun they have missed out on!!!!
And it's still a joy to access ORIGINAL records in Archives - an experience
all genies should have at least once in their lifetime!
Regards ........ Susie Z
"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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paper, then progressed to cards and card indexes, word processor and
spreadsheet on microcomputer from 1983, fidonet bulletin board for genealogy
in 1992, then Brother's Keeper for DOS - RADICAL move!! I still have lots
of scraps of paper and heaps of cards - and still use cards for some
tasks!!!!!!
Now I use Generations and Legacy and wondered how I kept track of
everything. <vbg>
I also remember being able to search registers and old records that are now
off-limits, but of course there weren't ANY indexes to these registers. We
had to do a LOT more groundword to narrow down the search before
methodically searching every page to find a specific entry.
And I still shudder when I see so many people expecting everything to be
indexed as well as the original records being available on-line and free -
they just don't realise the fun they have missed out on!!!!
And it's still a joy to access ORIGINAL records in Archives - an experience
all genies should have at least once in their lifetime!
Regards ........ Susie Z
"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
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Gjest
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:43:47 -0500, singhals <[email protected]>
wrote:
Add me to the stack. I can remember teaching people how to use the
original Osbourne 1 Computer System and how much of an impact it made.
I can also remember what it felt like to print out my first 200 names
on fan fold paper and it stretched across the living room. Makes me
wonder how far the current 17,500 would go.
30 years as of July 4.
wrote:
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
Add me to the stack. I can remember teaching people how to use the
original Osbourne 1 Computer System and how much of an impact it made.
I can also remember what it felt like to print out my first 200 names
on fan fold paper and it stretched across the living room. Makes me
wonder how far the current 17,500 would go.
30 years as of July 4.
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bella fortuni
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
I started my single tree/occupation study of American silversmith on 3
x 5 cards and graph paper. First program was Brother's Keeper, now
almost quaint in its antiquation. Using Legacy since its intro.
Wm Voss
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:43:47 -0500, singhals <[email protected]>
wrote:
x 5 cards and graph paper. First program was Brother's Keeper, now
almost quaint in its antiquation. Using Legacy since its intro.
Wm Voss
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:43:47 -0500, singhals <[email protected]>
wrote:
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
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Maloney Empire
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
My uncle started our family history (about 40 years ago) on small scraps of
paper stuck together with sticky tape and passed it down to his
granddaughter. There are envelopes with writing on the back and some even
have been opened out to provide for room to write. An exercise book with
bits of newspaper cuttings and written memories are still treasured today.
His daughter doesn't have a computer and she faithfully has recorded
everything into a large notebook which looks fantastic altogether. His
granddaughter and I now use the computer to enhance his notes.
--
Di Maloney
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paper stuck together with sticky tape and passed it down to his
granddaughter. There are envelopes with writing on the back and some even
have been opened out to provide for room to write. An exercise book with
bits of newspaper cuttings and written memories are still treasured today.
His daughter doesn't have a computer and she faithfully has recorded
everything into a large notebook which looks fantastic altogether. His
granddaughter and I now use the computer to enhance his notes.
--
Di Maloney
Please reply group or
To reply direct, please remove '1' from email address -
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"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
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Chris and Tom Tinney, Sr.
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
My first public contact with genealogy was made at
the Family History Library, located in the Joseph F. Smith
Memorial Building on North Main Street in SLC, Utah,
prior to 1962, as a young teenager. From those many
years ago, I seem to remember having to make slips out
to check out books over the counter, waiting in line,
time limits, short hours, tight spacing and having to go
to different floors to check various index files. I also
seem to remember there were no copy machines
and that everything had to be handwritten, with
duplications made with carbon paper, or using a manual
typewriter and stencils, the mimeograph machine, etc.
There was nothing more exciting than to try to make
enough duplications before the stencil faded, avoiding
a crease in the form, or surviving the ink mess on clothes
and hands. Pedigrees were written on numbered forms.
This was before PAF, ROOTS, computers, etc.
Respectfully yours,
Tom Tinney, Sr.
Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] - 2004
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, {both editions]
Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/
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singhals wrote:
the Family History Library, located in the Joseph F. Smith
Memorial Building on North Main Street in SLC, Utah,
prior to 1962, as a young teenager. From those many
years ago, I seem to remember having to make slips out
to check out books over the counter, waiting in line,
time limits, short hours, tight spacing and having to go
to different floors to check various index files. I also
seem to remember there were no copy machines
and that everything had to be handwritten, with
duplications made with carbon paper, or using a manual
typewriter and stencils, the mimeograph machine, etc.
There was nothing more exciting than to try to make
enough duplications before the stencil faded, avoiding
a crease in the form, or surviving the ink mess on clothes
and hands. Pedigrees were written on numbered forms.
This was before PAF, ROOTS, computers, etc.
Respectfully yours,
Tom Tinney, Sr.
Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] - 2004
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, {both editions]
Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/
---------------------------------------------------------
singhals wrote:
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy
before either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
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Steve Hayes
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:43:47 -0500, singhals <[email protected]> wrote:
Hand.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Hand.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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dnickell
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
Mee too, Hugh. I started in 1992 with Word Perfect 4.2 and my own design of
FGSs. I didn't like the LDS style because it virtually ignored the spouse.
One day I was on the phone to SLC with WP's -free- support and the super tech
suggesed I get PAF. I upgraded once to PAF 2.31 in 1994 and still use it.
I'm trying to switch to Legacy but my auto-pilot fingers won't let me.
Don
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:43:47 -0500, singhals <[email protected]
wrote:
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
The first programs I saw were handwritten on scraps of paper by an
aunt and my m-i-l.
Technically I can raise my hand. I used a word processor before I was
aware that genie programs existed. It was only later that I discovered
PAF, Roots and Family Origins. So you might say I raised my hand as a
result of ignorance. I hope that counts!
I never cared for Roots or PAF but I liked Reunion - almost enough to
buy it. When I last tried PAF it did a sorry job on events (or I did).
Roots on Queen Anne's Lace are wild carrots - as a Scouter you need to
know that. Oops, that's the wrong Roots.
Hugh
Mee too, Hugh. I started in 1992 with Word Perfect 4.2 and my own design of
FGSs. I didn't like the LDS style because it virtually ignored the spouse.
One day I was on the phone to SLC with WP's -free- support and the super tech
suggesed I get PAF. I upgraded once to PAF 2.31 in 1994 and still use it.
I'm trying to switch to Legacy but my auto-pilot fingers won't let me.
Don
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:37:46 -0800, dnickell <[email protected]>
wrote:
Take a hint from me, Don. Keep trying new programs and versions so you
never know exactly what you're doing in any one of them. It won't
improve your efforts but it might make you care less.
And you'll have less money that you have to worry about getting spent
before the next budget. Oops - that's the government method.
Hugh
wrote:
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:43:47 -0500, singhals <[email protected]
wrote:
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
The first programs I saw were handwritten on scraps of paper by an
aunt and my m-i-l.
Technically I can raise my hand. I used a word processor before I was
aware that genie programs existed. It was only later that I discovered
PAF, Roots and Family Origins. So you might say I raised my hand as a
result of ignorance. I hope that counts!
I never cared for Roots or PAF but I liked Reunion - almost enough to
buy it. When I last tried PAF it did a sorry job on events (or I did).
Roots on Queen Anne's Lace are wild carrots - as a Scouter you need to
know that. Oops, that's the wrong Roots.
Hugh
Mee too, Hugh. I started in 1992 with Word Perfect 4.2 and my own design of
FGSs. I didn't like the LDS style because it virtually ignored the spouse.
One day I was on the phone to SLC with WP's -free- support and the super tech
suggesed I get PAF. I upgraded once to PAF 2.31 in 1994 and still use it.
I'm trying to switch to Legacy but my auto-pilot fingers won't let me.
Don
Take a hint from me, Don. Keep trying new programs and versions so you
never know exactly what you're doing in any one of them. It won't
improve your efforts but it might make you care less.
And you'll have less money that you have to worry about getting spent
before the next budget. Oops - that's the government method.
Hugh
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Sherry
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
singhals <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
<hand raised> Did my first genealogy in mid-60's on paper. Dropped it
for a long time and started doing it again in 1993 when I finally
bought a "real" computer (my Atari 800xl and Tandy Laptop don't count
since I couldn't install anything to either of them) and saw a
genealogy program at Half-Price Books - thought it was a good way to
combine two hobbies - computers and genealogy.
Sherry
news:[email protected]:
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy
before either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
<hand raised> Did my first genealogy in mid-60's on paper. Dropped it
for a long time and started doing it again in 1993 when I finally
bought a "real" computer (my Atari 800xl and Tandy Laptop don't count
since I couldn't install anything to either of them) and saw a
genealogy program at Half-Price Books - thought it was a good way to
combine two hobbies - computers and genealogy.
Sherry
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Hugh Watkins
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
"Sherry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Asked my grandfather Alfred Thomas Lapham October 15, 1872 -- July 30,
1961
he told me of Gentleman Ball of Swindon - Queen Victoris's engine driver
William Thomas Stevens Ball
and the mariner Philip Evans "Avon pilot" and skipper
so far a bosun !
amd my grandmother Blanche Eveline Jones June 5, 1874 -- July 5, 1953.
widow of Alfred Henry Watkins August 13, 1862 -- January 2, 1935,
told me of the step mother who drank up the family fortune
That grandfather died a year before I was born but I have his Birthday Book
and some of his books
granny googles well
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Blanc ... 1&filter=0
and the tailor
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Alfre ... 1&filter=0
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Gentl ... 1&filter=0
the Stevens is a very new discovery so does not google
only is in
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/us ... index.html
fo more
also seach for Alfred Lapham son of Alfred Lapham in WFT
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/oft/awtUpload.asp
http://awt.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/igm.c ... 05&ti=5538
(AMW BB a source, is my mother's birthday book used from 1916 to 1999)
About 1952
I drew a tree on a big piece of white wrapping ppaer
whilst on holiday with granny but it had been thrown away (tidied up) when
I cleared the bungalow in 1953
Then in 1999 I found my grandparents on the 1881 CD's and my new hobby was
born
today ancestry
Name: Lapham, Alfred Thos
Age in 1891: 18
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where Born: Bristol, Gloucestershire
Civil parish: Horfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town:
County: Gloucestershire
Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Source information: RG12/1973
Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub registration district: Ashley
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Folio: 69
Page: 19
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?ht ... _1973-0544
How many people in your tree did you know who were alive in 1881 ?
Hugh W
news:[email protected]...
singhals <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy
before either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
hand raised> Did my first genealogy in mid-60's on paper. Dropped it
for a long time and started doing it again in 1993 when I finally
bought a "real" computer (my Atari 800xl and Tandy Laptop don't count
since I couldn't install anything to either of them) and saw a
genealogy program at Half-Price Books - thought it was a good way to
combine two hobbies - computers and genealogy.
Asked my grandfather Alfred Thomas Lapham October 15, 1872 -- July 30,
1961
he told me of Gentleman Ball of Swindon - Queen Victoris's engine driver
William Thomas Stevens Ball
and the mariner Philip Evans "Avon pilot" and skipper
so far a bosun !
amd my grandmother Blanche Eveline Jones June 5, 1874 -- July 5, 1953.
widow of Alfred Henry Watkins August 13, 1862 -- January 2, 1935,
told me of the step mother who drank up the family fortune
That grandfather died a year before I was born but I have his Birthday Book
and some of his books
granny googles well
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Blanc ... 1&filter=0
and the tailor
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Alfre ... 1&filter=0
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Gentl ... 1&filter=0
the Stevens is a very new discovery so does not google
only is in
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/us ... index.html
fo more
also seach for Alfred Lapham son of Alfred Lapham in WFT
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/oft/awtUpload.asp
http://awt.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/igm.c ... 05&ti=5538
(AMW BB a source, is my mother's birthday book used from 1916 to 1999)
About 1952
I drew a tree on a big piece of white wrapping ppaer
whilst on holiday with granny but it had been thrown away (tidied up) when
I cleared the bungalow in 1953
Then in 1999 I found my grandparents on the 1881 CD's and my new hobby was
born
today ancestry
Name: Lapham, Alfred Thos
Age in 1891: 18
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where Born: Bristol, Gloucestershire
Civil parish: Horfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town:
County: Gloucestershire
Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Source information: RG12/1973
Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub registration district: Ashley
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Folio: 69
Page: 19
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?ht ... _1973-0544
How many people in your tree did you know who were alive in 1881 ?
Hugh W
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Allen
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
I suppose most of the people of a certain age who read this group did
some pre-computer work; I certainly did. One of my wife's prized
possessions is a 100-page handwritten manuscript prepared by a
great-aunt in the 1960s, when she was in her seventies. It takes her
family back at least five generations (can't remember the exact number
now, though I spent a few days outlining it and entering it into a
genealogy program about 10 years ago. I have several narratives from my
ancestors in which they tried to preserve what they knew of the family's
history, thanks be to God!
Allen
some pre-computer work; I certainly did. One of my wife's prized
possessions is a 100-page handwritten manuscript prepared by a
great-aunt in the 1960s, when she was in her seventies. It takes her
family back at least five generations (can't remember the exact number
now, though I spent a few days outlining it and entering it into a
genealogy program about 10 years ago. I have several narratives from my
ancestors in which they tried to preserve what they knew of the family's
history, thanks be to God!
Allen
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Sherry
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
"Hugh Watkins" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
<snip>
Sadly, none, although there are several in my family file who were
alive in 1881.
However, my husband did know his grandparents who was born in late
1870's and died late 1950's
Sherry
news:[email protected]:
<snip>
How many people in your tree did you know who were alive in 1881 ?
Hugh W
Sadly, none, although there are several in my family file who were
alive in 1881.
However, my husband did know his grandparents who was born in late
1870's and died late 1950's
Sherry
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dnickell
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
Hehehe...I know full well how that goes, Hugh. Seems I've worked for a gov't
agency all my life. TRW, Los Alamos National Labs, etc...
OH, there was also a program decades ago (I can say that now) that had an
image of a mountian cabin, with smoke coming out the chimney, and books on a
shelf. Had to do with writing your genealogy stories??? I laughed so hard I
wet my...cheeks from the tears.
Don
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:37:46 -0800, dnickell <[email protected]
wrote:
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:43:47 -0500, singhals <[email protected]
wrote:
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
The first programs I saw were handwritten on scraps of paper by an
aunt and my m-i-l.
Technically I can raise my hand. I used a word processor before I was
aware that genie programs existed. It was only later that I discovered
PAF, Roots and Family Origins. So you might say I raised my hand as a
result of ignorance. I hope that counts!
I never cared for Roots or PAF but I liked Reunion - almost enough to
buy it. When I last tried PAF it did a sorry job on events (or I did).
Roots on Queen Anne's Lace are wild carrots - as a Scouter you need to
know that. Oops, that's the wrong Roots.
Hugh
Mee too, Hugh. I started in 1992 with Word Perfect 4.2 and my own design of
FGSs. I didn't like the LDS style because it virtually ignored the spouse.
One day I was on the phone to SLC with WP's -free- support and the super tech
suggesed I get PAF. I upgraded once to PAF 2.31 in 1994 and still use it.
I'm trying to switch to Legacy but my auto-pilot fingers won't let me.
Don
Take a hint from me, Don. Keep trying new programs and versions so you
never know exactly what you're doing in any one of them. It won't
improve your efforts but it might make you care less.
And you'll have less money that you have to worry about getting spent
before the next budget. Oops - that's the government method.
Hugh
Hehehe...I know full well how that goes, Hugh. Seems I've worked for a gov't
agency all my life. TRW, Los Alamos National Labs, etc...
OH, there was also a program decades ago (I can say that now) that had an
image of a mountian cabin, with smoke coming out the chimney, and books on a
shelf. Had to do with writing your genealogy stories??? I laughed so hard I
wet my...cheeks from the tears.
Don
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Pam
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
My first attempt at genealogy was filling out my daughter's family tree in
her baby book (1970s). My side I knew but my husband wasn't sure of all of
his so I decided to find out. We had to do research the "hard" way by
writing letters. I remember answering an ad in the Everton's Genealogical
Helper for a census index--I had a family with an unusual enough last name
and a state but no county--and getting back an computer printout on green
and white folded paper which did locate the family for me. My first
computer came in the 1980s and was an early PC with only two 5 1/4 floppies
(no hard drive). I found some early genealogy program (I can't even
remember the name, I think it was Kin something) but when that became
obsolete I had to totally reenter into a new program because it didn't have
GEDCOM. I finally switched to PAF, then Brother's Keeper and then started
with TMG 1.0. I've used TMG ever since although have also used Family
Origins and Family Tree Maker (that one mostly to be able to read a couple
of CDs I have).
--
Pam
http://www.pamsgenealogy.net
her baby book (1970s). My side I knew but my husband wasn't sure of all of
his so I decided to find out. We had to do research the "hard" way by
writing letters. I remember answering an ad in the Everton's Genealogical
Helper for a census index--I had a family with an unusual enough last name
and a state but no county--and getting back an computer printout on green
and white folded paper which did locate the family for me. My first
computer came in the 1980s and was an early PC with only two 5 1/4 floppies
(no hard drive). I found some early genealogy program (I can't even
remember the name, I think it was Kin something) but when that became
obsolete I had to totally reenter into a new program because it didn't have
GEDCOM. I finally switched to PAF, then Brother's Keeper and then started
with TMG 1.0. I've used TMG ever since although have also used Family
Origins and Family Tree Maker (that one mostly to be able to read a couple
of CDs I have).
--
Pam
http://www.pamsgenealogy.net
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Jesse
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
In addition, I knew my grandparents who were born earliest 1864, latest
1880.
jesse mc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherry" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
1880.
jesse mc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherry" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
"Hugh Watkins" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip
How many people in your tree did you know who were alive in 1881 ?
Hugh W
Sadly, none, although there are several in my family file who were
alive in 1881.
However, my husband did know his grandparents who was born in late
1870's and died late 1950's
Sherry
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:51:39 -0500, "Pam" <[email protected]> wrote:
There is a program, Kith and Kin - I'm not sure how far back it goes.
I think it came from an old game we used to play - "I athed her for a
kith and she said, "You kin."
Your's is another interesting addition to Cheryl's request. I think
her post has brought out more lurkers than any other method. She can
carve another notch in her coup stick.
Hugh
My first attempt at genealogy was filling out my daughter's family tree in
her baby book (1970s). My side I knew but my husband wasn't sure of all of
his so I decided to find out. We had to do research the "hard" way by
writing letters. I remember answering an ad in the Everton's Genealogical
Helper for a census index--I had a family with an unusual enough last name
and a state but no county--and getting back an computer printout on green
and white folded paper which did locate the family for me. My first
computer came in the 1980s and was an early PC with only two 5 1/4 floppies
(no hard drive). I found some early genealogy program (I can't even
remember the name, I think it was Kin something) but when that became
obsolete I had to totally reenter into a new program because it didn't have
GEDCOM. I finally switched to PAF, then Brother's Keeper and then started
with TMG 1.0. I've used TMG ever since although have also used Family
Origins and Family Tree Maker (that one mostly to be able to read a couple
of CDs I have).
--
Pam
http://www.pamsgenealogy.net
There is a program, Kith and Kin - I'm not sure how far back it goes.
I think it came from an old game we used to play - "I athed her for a
kith and she said, "You kin."
Your's is another interesting addition to Cheryl's request. I think
her post has brought out more lurkers than any other method. She can
carve another notch in her coup stick.
Hugh
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Allen
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
Jesse wrote:
1848 and several of his siblings. My grandfather, the youngest sibling,
was a little family surprise, being born in 1871. Unfortunately, that
great uncle who was born in 1848 gave some family information to a niece
for a school project which was, to say the least, slightly erroneous.
To compound matters, this information, which combined data from two
entirely different families and also included some preposterous lies
made up by my great grandfather, was circulated widely, even before the
days of the internet. Ah, the gloris of genealogy!
Allen
In addition, I knew my grandparents who were born earliest 1864, latest
1880.
jesse mc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherry" <[email protected]
To: <[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
"Hugh Watkins" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip
How many people in your tree did you know who were alive in 1881 ?
Hugh W
Sadly, none, although there are several in my family file who were
alive in 1881.
However, my husband did know his grandparents who was born in late
1870's and died late 1950's
Sherry
I knew (very briefly, needless to say) a great uncle who was born in
1848 and several of his siblings. My grandfather, the youngest sibling,
was a little family surprise, being born in 1871. Unfortunately, that
great uncle who was born in 1848 gave some family information to a niece
for a school project which was, to say the least, slightly erroneous.
To compound matters, this information, which combined data from two
entirely different families and also included some preposterous lies
made up by my great grandfather, was circulated widely, even before the
days of the internet. Ah, the gloris of genealogy!
Allen
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john
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
There is a reasonable history of genealogy software at
http://genealogy.about.com/library/auth ... tman1a.htm
and links on the next page
http://genealogy.about.com/library/auth ... tman1a.htm
and links on the next page
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Jesse
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
Correction, after looking at my file my Ggrandmother Malissa Aplin born 1869
died 1939. I Was 10 yrs old.
jesse mc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
died 1939. I Was 10 yrs old.
jesse mc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
Jesse wrote:
In addition, I knew my grandparents who were born earliest 1864, latest
1880.
jesse mc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherry" <[email protected]
To: <[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
"Hugh Watkins" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip
How many people in your tree did you know who were alive in 1881 ?
Hugh W
Sadly, none, although there are several in my family file who were
alive in 1881.
However, my husband did know his grandparents who was born in late
1870's and died late 1950's
Sherry
I knew (very briefly, needless to say) a great uncle who was born in
1848 and several of his siblings. My grandfather, the youngest sibling,
was a little family surprise, being born in 1871. Unfortunately, that
great uncle who was born in 1848 gave some family information to a niece
for a school project which was, to say the least, slightly erroneous.
To compound matters, this information, which combined data from two
entirely different families and also included some preposterous lies
made up by my great grandfather, was circulated widely, even before the
days of the internet. Ah, the gloris of genealogy!
Allen
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Pam
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
Boy, did that ever bring back some memories. It also reminded me of my very
first program (which I had forgotten)--Genealogy on Display. One big floppy
disk. That was the one which didn't have the GEDCOM capabilities and I had
to start all over when I switched. Then I used Kinfolks. I don't think I
stayed with that one long--I sent off for PAF and used that for quite a
while. When Windows became more popular I went with Brother's Keeper.
--
Pam
http://www.pamsgenealogy.net
"john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
first program (which I had forgotten)--Genealogy on Display. One big floppy
disk. That was the one which didn't have the GEDCOM capabilities and I had
to start all over when I switched. Then I used Kinfolks. I don't think I
stayed with that one long--I sent off for PAF and used that for quite a
while. When Windows became more popular I went with Brother's Keeper.
--
Pam
http://www.pamsgenealogy.net
"john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
There is a reasonable history of genealogy software at
http://genealogy.about.com/library/auth ... tman1a.htm
and links on the next page
-
Merryann Palmer
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
Ah yes - the joys of hand writing everything and keeping notes &
bibliographies on 3x5 cards. I even remember how to properly number
ancestors! (for those who don't - child (1) x2 = father (3) plus 1 = mother
(4). Just keep going until you get to the end. Used an awful lot of erasers
though.....
Merryann
"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
bibliographies on 3x5 cards. I even remember how to properly number
ancestors! (for those who don't - child (1) x2 = father (3) plus 1 = mother
(4). Just keep going until you get to the end. Used an awful lot of erasers
though.....
Merryann
"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
May I see a show of hands of those of you who remember genealogy before
either PAF or ROOTS?
Thanks!
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Steve Hayes
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:53:42 GMT, "Merryann Palmer"
<[email protected]> wrote:
One of the nice things about PAF 2.x was that it had a lot of add-ons, and
among them were:
1) A program for printing PAF records on a 3x5 card
2) A program for printing PAF records on a 6x4 card
No other genealogy programs have anything like it.
I find that strange. The problem with card indexes is updating them by hand.
Computers can update card indexes far more efficiently, yet very few people
have produced programs for printing records from databases on index cards.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
<[email protected]> wrote:
Ah yes - the joys of hand writing everything and keeping notes &
bibliographies on 3x5 cards. I even remember how to properly number
ancestors! (for those who don't - child (1) x2 = father (3) plus 1 = mother
(4). Just keep going until you get to the end. Used an awful lot of erasers
though.....
One of the nice things about PAF 2.x was that it had a lot of add-ons, and
among them were:
1) A program for printing PAF records on a 3x5 card
2) A program for printing PAF records on a 6x4 card
No other genealogy programs have anything like it.
I find that strange. The problem with card indexes is updating them by hand.
Computers can update card indexes far more efficiently, yet very few people
have produced programs for printing records from databases on index cards.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
-
Doug
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
Steve Hayes wrote:
Hmmm! Could that be because so few modern (post dot matrix) printers can
handle index cards (or other small items)? E.g., my laser printer
handles #10 (long) envelopes just fine, but generally manages to jam on
the short ones. I finally had to convert from feeding my old standard
wallet-size checks to special computer version (3 per page) when I
traded in my old Epson dot matrix in for an HP Photosmart. (It was also
due to a software change from a 1993 Win3.1 CheckMate program, which
allowed me to position each field on the check manually, to Quicken
which doesn't.)
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:53:42 GMT, "Merryann Palmer"
[email protected]> wrote:
Ah yes - the joys of hand writing everything and keeping notes &
bibliographies on 3x5 cards. I even remember how to properly number
ancestors! (for those who don't - child (1) x2 = father (3) plus 1 = mother
(4). Just keep going until you get to the end. Used an awful lot of erasers
though.....
One of the nice things about PAF 2.x was that it had a lot of add-ons, and
among them were:
1) A program for printing PAF records on a 3x5 card
2) A program for printing PAF records on a 6x4 card
No other genealogy programs have anything like it.
I find that strange. The problem with card indexes is updating them by hand.
Computers can update card indexes far more efficiently, yet very few people
have produced programs for printing records from databases on index cards.
Hmmm! Could that be because so few modern (post dot matrix) printers can
handle index cards (or other small items)? E.g., my laser printer
handles #10 (long) envelopes just fine, but generally manages to jam on
the short ones. I finally had to convert from feeding my old standard
wallet-size checks to special computer version (3 per page) when I
traded in my old Epson dot matrix in for an HP Photosmart. (It was also
due to a software change from a 1993 Win3.1 CheckMate program, which
allowed me to position each field on the check manually, to Quicken
which doesn't.)
-
Steve Hayes
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 17:01:25 GMT, Doug <[email protected]> wrote:
Inkjet printers should handle them OK, because they bend the cards even less
than dot-matrix printers do.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:53:42 GMT, "Merryann Palmer"
[email protected]> wrote:
Ah yes - the joys of hand writing everything and keeping notes &
bibliographies on 3x5 cards. I even remember how to properly number
ancestors! (for those who don't - child (1) x2 = father (3) plus 1 = mother
(4). Just keep going until you get to the end. Used an awful lot of erasers
though.....
One of the nice things about PAF 2.x was that it had a lot of add-ons, and
among them were:
1) A program for printing PAF records on a 3x5 card
2) A program for printing PAF records on a 6x4 card
No other genealogy programs have anything like it.
I find that strange. The problem with card indexes is updating them by hand.
Computers can update card indexes far more efficiently, yet very few people
have produced programs for printing records from databases on index cards.
Hmmm! Could that be because so few modern (post dot matrix) printers can
handle index cards (or other small items)? E.g., my laser printer
handles #10 (long) envelopes just fine, but generally manages to jam on
the short ones. I finally had to convert from feeding my old standard
wallet-size checks to special computer version (3 per page) when I
traded in my old Epson dot matrix in for an HP Photosmart. (It was also
due to a software change from a 1993 Win3.1 CheckMate program, which
allowed me to position each field on the check manually, to Quicken
which doesn't.)
Inkjet printers should handle them OK, because they bend the cards even less
than dot-matrix printers do.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
-
Doug
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
Steve Hayes wrote:
Probably, if you can get the printer to feed the 3x5 card, but with my
HP PhotoSmart 1115 you can't get the card in far enough (without using
something as "pusher") to reach the rollers. I have, a couple of times,
printed something on a diskette label which I can then stick on a card,
but that's not particularly efficient. Another option, I suppose, would
be to use letter-size card stock and generate a label-like template that
would print several "cards" on the single sheet, which could then be cut
out. But why bother?
Doug
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 17:01:25 GMT, Doug <[email protected]> wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:53:42 GMT, "Merryann Palmer"
[email protected]> wrote:
Ah yes - the joys of hand writing everything and keeping notes &
bibliographies on 3x5 cards. I even remember how to properly number
ancestors! (for those who don't - child (1) x2 = father (3) plus 1 = mother
(4). Just keep going until you get to the end. Used an awful lot of erasers
though.....
One of the nice things about PAF 2.x was that it had a lot of add-ons, and
among them were:
1) A program for printing PAF records on a 3x5 card
2) A program for printing PAF records on a 6x4 card
No other genealogy programs have anything like it.
I find that strange. The problem with card indexes is updating them by hand.
Computers can update card indexes far more efficiently, yet very few people
have produced programs for printing records from databases on index cards.
Hmmm! Could that be because so few modern (post dot matrix) printers can
handle index cards (or other small items)? E.g., my laser printer
handles #10 (long) envelopes just fine, but generally manages to jam on
the short ones. I finally had to convert from feeding my old standard
wallet-size checks to special computer version (3 per page) when I
traded in my old Epson dot matrix in for an HP Photosmart. (It was also
due to a software change from a 1993 Win3.1 CheckMate program, which
allowed me to position each field on the check manually, to Quicken
which doesn't.)
Inkjet printers should handle them OK, because they bend the cards even less
than dot-matrix printers do.
Probably, if you can get the printer to feed the 3x5 card, but with my
HP PhotoSmart 1115 you can't get the card in far enough (without using
something as "pusher") to reach the rollers. I have, a couple of times,
printed something on a diskette label which I can then stick on a card,
but that's not particularly efficient. Another option, I suppose, would
be to use letter-size card stock and generate a label-like template that
would print several "cards" on the single sheet, which could then be cut
out. But why bother?
Doug
-
Steve Hayes
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:09:45 GMT, Doug <[email protected]> wrote:
Because card indexes are still useful.
Index cards are still sold and used, and filing boxes for them are still sold.
They can be spread out on a table with a lot of books, unlike a computer
screen. And computers could do a very useful job in maintaining card indexes.
The problem is that there are so few prgrams that do it.
Oh yes, the Multimate people once had a program that made a computer screen
look like an index card, but that was getting it a bit arse about face. The
point is not that the computer screen should have "reins through the
dashboard" devices like "folders", or icons of filing cabinets and screens
that look like index cards, but that it should produce stuff that enables
manual filing systems to be used more efficiently.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 17:01:25 GMT, Doug <[email protected]> wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:53:42 GMT, "Merryann Palmer"
[email protected]> wrote:
Ah yes - the joys of hand writing everything and keeping notes &
bibliographies on 3x5 cards. I even remember how to properly number
ancestors! (for those who don't - child (1) x2 = father (3) plus 1 = mother
(4). Just keep going until you get to the end. Used an awful lot of erasers
though.....
One of the nice things about PAF 2.x was that it had a lot of add-ons, and
among them were:
1) A program for printing PAF records on a 3x5 card
2) A program for printing PAF records on a 6x4 card
No other genealogy programs have anything like it.
I find that strange. The problem with card indexes is updating them by hand.
Computers can update card indexes far more efficiently, yet very few people
have produced programs for printing records from databases on index cards.
Hmmm! Could that be because so few modern (post dot matrix) printers can
handle index cards (or other small items)? E.g., my laser printer
handles #10 (long) envelopes just fine, but generally manages to jam on
the short ones. I finally had to convert from feeding my old standard
wallet-size checks to special computer version (3 per page) when I
traded in my old Epson dot matrix in for an HP Photosmart. (It was also
due to a software change from a 1993 Win3.1 CheckMate program, which
allowed me to position each field on the check manually, to Quicken
which doesn't.)
Inkjet printers should handle them OK, because they bend the cards even less
than dot-matrix printers do.
Probably, if you can get the printer to feed the 3x5 card, but with my
HP PhotoSmart 1115 you can't get the card in far enough (without using
something as "pusher") to reach the rollers. I have, a couple of times,
printed something on a diskette label which I can then stick on a card,
but that's not particularly efficient. Another option, I suppose, would
be to use letter-size card stock and generate a label-like template that
would print several "cards" on the single sheet, which could then be cut
out. But why bother?
Because card indexes are still useful.
Index cards are still sold and used, and filing boxes for them are still sold.
They can be spread out on a table with a lot of books, unlike a computer
screen. And computers could do a very useful job in maintaining card indexes.
The problem is that there are so few prgrams that do it.
Oh yes, the Multimate people once had a program that made a computer screen
look like an index card, but that was getting it a bit arse about face. The
point is not that the computer screen should have "reins through the
dashboard" devices like "folders", or icons of filing cabinets and screens
that look like index cards, but that it should produce stuff that enables
manual filing systems to be used more efficiently.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
-
arasu
Re: Old-style genealogist -- roll call
Take a look at ndxCards http://www.ndxcards.com - it is an electronic
index card program with smarts & still lets one print and keep 3x5
cards.
index card program with smarts & still lets one print and keep 3x5
cards.