Karl Jacobsen, b 1855, to New york 1892

[gj07630]

Karl Jacobsen / Carl Otto Jakobsen Hinden/ Hindeneie, born November 12, 1855 in Øvre Langvasslien, Næs in Akershus was my great-great grandfather. He went to America (New York, Raffel HP?) May 7, 1892. Ship: Kong Ring. He is not found on Ellis Island.

Anyone who knows about his faith in America?

1. When did he die?

2. Family in America?

Link to the Norway 1865-Census: http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... =1069#ovre


Some more details here:
(Norwegian)

https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/view ... hp?t=78434

Thanks in advantage,

JR Martinsn, (Mr.) Norway.

[Margit R Bakke]

Why is he called Karl Otto Jakobsen when his name is???
Karl Otto Edevartsen/Edwardsen??

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... =1069#ovre

5994 1 Karl Otto Edevarts. deres Søn ug 10 m Næs Prgj.

[gj07630]

His father's correct name was Jacob Edvard Nilsen, born approx. 1826. I think this is a 1865-census inaccuracy. In all other documents I've seen his name is Karl Jakobsen. Some times spelt with a 'c'.

JR Martinsen

[Margit R Bakke]

Where did his wife die and when? Exact date? Did you read the Churchbooks to see if it shows him leaving the Parish?

[gj07630]

His wife Olava Larsdtr Ullern died in Sør Odal, Norway May 2, 1894. On Karl there is a comment "to America two years ago" (or something like that!). I've been looking, but I haven't been able to find him under "Udflyttede" from Sør-Odal, e.g. when he left the Parish.

JR Martinsen

[Margit R Bakke]

Did you go through all the Emigration records for Oslo and Kristiania?

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... &alle=true

The only one I see that can fit is this one:
Emigranter over Kristiania 1871-1930
Year Page Line no. New family gr. Transaction date Date of departure Given name Last name Marital status Family pos. Occupation Sex Age Domicile Destination Line Ship Freight (kr) Payment info. Nationality Permission

121401 1892 491 23 1 07.05.1892 07.05.1892 Karl Jacobs. g Arb. m 36 Næs, Rom. New York Raffel (H. P.) Kong Ring Ppd.

And coming into New York:


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Karl Jacobson
Name: Karl Jacobson
Arrival Date: 26 May 1892
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Ship Name: Moravia
Search Ship Database: View the Moravia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 34
Microfilm Roll: M237_589
Page Number: 6

[Margit R Bakke]

This is the only one I can see +-1 birthyear in the 1900 census that could fit.


1900 United States Federal Census
about Carl Wing
Name: Carl Wing
Home in 1900: Minong, Washburn, Wisconsin
Age: 34
Birth Date: Nov 1855
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1892
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Single
Residence : Minong & Veazie Towns, Washburn, Wisconsin
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Carl Wing 34
Sahatino Zazzardi 20
Tony Jiampalo 18
Edward Johnson 17
Walter Ganger 19
Byron Robinson 19
Charles Barnco 28
Joseph Hadlie 19
Thomas Rhehan 25
Henry F Clifford 28
Theodore A Yerke 21
William J Walker 32
Peter J Kane 34
Thomas J Murphy 24
William Davidson 24
Joseph T Kelley 30
Elvardo Christman 25
Thomas Cahoon 31
John McLean 43
William Hoffman 23
Richard Larson 17
Phillip Smith 24
Alfred J Torberg 24
William J Kain 22
John F Nelson 52
Albert C Cross 24
Fritz Lappe 27
Cornelius J Brando 29
Fred Church 16
Raymond S Church 18
Michael Sullivan 39
Ole Hammerson 21
Louis Aronson 19
Theodore Harmonson 18
Swan Pearson 30
John S Shearer 19
Louis Johnson 20
John H Hurley 45
Barent J Torgerson 11
Thomas Johnson 39
Erick Lewis 25
Andrew Walman 44
Anton Chalberg 19
James Wood 42
Elbert Carlson 18
Edward McCall 52
Gust Weckland 25
Olof Olson 19
Olof Olson 27
Joseph Oberreich 20
William McCarty 43
Charles P Stanton 25

Before you discount him, my husband has two great uncles that came over from Norway in the 1880's. Their names were Niels Erlandsen and Amund Erlandsen. When they came to the USA, they changed their names to Johnny Ring and A.E. Holm or Edward Holmer. Perhaps they were running from the law in Norway? I would think your Carl/Karl Jacobsen/Jakobsen maybe was running from his family? It is something to think about.

[gj07630]

Thanks a lot!

It is not unlikely that he ran away from his family, to put it that way!

Apparently he had an affair with my great-great grandmother Karoline Andersdatter (1856-1905) as my great-grandmother was his illegitimate daughter. ("Uægte")

As I may read from expressions used in the Churchbooks they were also quite poor when living in Sør-Odal.

There are also story about his family from Næs/Nes, indicating that the respect for law and order e.g. in general was somewhat lacking...

Still just speculations, maybe hard to prove?

Is it possible to find out when your "Carl Wing" died?

JR Martinsen

[gj06100]

Hei Margit og Jan Rune!
The fellow that Margit found, I also found (I think!) in the 1910 census in Washburn, Springbrok.
Carl Wing, age 45, immigrated 1892, and married to Lucy (age hard to read)..she was born in Ohio.
Carl is now a farmer...he was a "laborer" in the 1900 census. Lucy and Carl were married about 1902.
They have no children.
In the 1910 census it "says" it is Carl's first marriage, but Lucy's second marriage.
mvh Patty

[Margit R Bakke]

Patty,
The one you found was born in 1865, so would not be the same one.

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Carl Wing
Age in 1910: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's Name: Lucy A
Home in 1910: Springbrook, Washburn, Wisconsin
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1892
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Carl Wing 45
Lucy A Wing 77

[gj06100]

Hei Margit!
The Carl in 1900 is age 35 (the year of birth I think was written incorrectly? as 1855)...the actual census says he is age 35. Then there could be the problem that someone wrote the YEAR correctly, but calculated his age wrong...!?
So I think the Carl in 1900 and the one in 1910 "may" be the same...
Do you agree?
mvh Patty

[Margit R Bakke]

No I cannot agree. It clearly states on the census record that he was born Nov 1855. So it could be either way.

[gj07630]

Thanks a lot so far folks!

I have been double-checking Carl's birth & confirmation. It seems like correct DOB is October 12, 1855. (Not November). He was confirmed Oct 8, 1871 & vaccinated against small pox Jan 6, 1862. His confirmation performance was stated "Well" (Godt)

Does this make any difference?

(Sorry for the inaccuracy...)

J R Martinsenn, Norway

[gj07630]

No luck in the hunt for Mr. KARL JAKOBSEN LANGVASSLIA so far, but I've found him on FamilySearch:


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IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
Norway

KARL OTTO JACOBSEN Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
12 OCT 1855 Nes, Akershus, Norway
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JACOB EDVARD NIELSEN Family
Mother: MARIE OLSDATTER

Messages:
Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.

Source Information:
Batch Number: 8306258
Sheet: 19
Source Call No.: 0884986 Type: Film

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Could this be a trace? Does it prove he went to America?

Sincerely,

Jan R Martinsen (Mr)

[Jan Rune Martinsen]

Apparently Karl Jakobsen returned to Norway and settled in Nes:
(Follow this thread)

https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/view ... 454#370454

Any records on returns to Norway?

Sincerely,

Jan R Martinsen (Mr)