Marriage record

[dn09189]

I found a marriage record in Vestre Toten for 18 Apr 1850 for an Anders Pedersen and Helene Olsdatter. They both seem to be Enke.
This is very close to Andreas Pedersen which is the name shown on 3 children born in Aug 1851 (Peder), 1854 (Anne Marie) and 1861 (Ole).
I was wondering if someone could read the last column of the 9th record on p. 193. I think it has something to do with probate.
Also what is Anders occupation?
Thanks for any assistance or guidance in this record.
Sincerely,
David Vinge
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada

[gj04741]

Hi
I’m sorry I’m not able do read the church book. Remember to ad a permanent link in your enquiry, which makes it easier for people to find the record in question

Andreas Pedersen and Helene Olsdatter’s marriage record: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9332&idx_id=9332&uid=ny&idx_side=-189

Regards,
Arna

[Gry Onarheim Dahlmo]

Hello (again) David

Take a look at Gjøvik og Toten Slektshistorielag website.

Fill in their names :

Anders occupation is Gaardmand which means Farmer.
It seems that the last column says something about their passed spouses, their names and when they died..

Try the link and may you'll find their spouses in the burialrecords.

[gj05502]

I don't seem to be able to put their names in anywhere. Maybe it is my browser (Explorer)??

[gj04741]

Hi,
I have not found a suitable candidate for Anders first marriage.

Anders and Helene’s marriage record, it states that there is an unreadable remark in the original records.
Protokoll: A5
Side: 193
Nr: 9
År: 1850
Kirke: V. TOTEN
1 Lysning kirkedag: PALMESØND.
2 Lysning kirkedag: 2. PAASKED.
3 Lysning kirkedag: 1. SØND. EFTER PAASKE
Vielsesdato: 18.04.1850
Lysningsforlanger: BRUDGOMMEN
Avskrivers kommentar: ULESELIG MERKNAD

Rolle Sivilstand Stilling/
yrke Fornavn Etternavn Bosted Kjønn Fødested Alder
Brudgom ENKEMAND GAARDMAND ANDERS PEDERSEN RØSTE AF LAND RØSTE M BLILI 53
Brud ENKE HELENE OLSDATTER RUDSVEEN K RUDSVEEN 30
Brudgoms far PEDER ANDERSEN M
Bruds far OLE ELIASSEN M
Forlover OVERJÆGER OLSEN
Forlover OLE ELIASSEN RUDSVEEN


I guess this is Helene’s first marriage:
Link to the church book: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9330&idx_id=9330&uid=ny&idx_side=-102

Protokoll: Vestre Toten Mini A3
Side: 240/41
Nr: 18
År: 1841
Kirke: AAS
1 Lysningsdato: 27.03.1841
Vielsesdato: 15.04.1841
Lysningsforlanger: BRUDGOMMEN

Rolle Sivilstand Stilling/
yrke Fornavn Etternavn Bosted Alder Kjønn
Brudgom UNGK. MUSKET. JOHANNES EVENSEN !! 23 1/2 M
Brud PIGE HELENE OLSDATTER !! 21 1/2 K
Brudgoms far EVEN CHRISTIANSEN !! M
Bruds far OLE ELIASSEN !! M
Forlover LARS POULSEN NARUM M
Forlover ANDERS JOHANSEN SIVESIND M


Regards,
Arna

[Bjørg Lunde]

I have tried to read the note in the marrage record. At least I think it says "Brudgommens første Kone Anne Hansd. døede(?) 19. Jan. 1849. Skifte.. dat. 17. Marts 1849. Brudens første Mand Johannes Euensen(?) døede(?) for 2 1/4 Aar siden. Skifte.. dat: 14. Feb 1849".

Meaning somthing like:
The bridegroom's first wife Anna Hansd. ..(died??).. Jan. 19, 1849.
Probate....(?) March 17, 1849.
The bride's first husband Johannes Evensen(?) ...(died??).. 2 1/4 years ago.
Probate....(?) Feb. 14, 1849.

Anders is from the farm Røste in Land. You find Anne Hansdatter dead here: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-136
no. 5 in 1849

And Johnnes Evensen may be here: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-144 no. 7 in 1848

[gj04741]

Hi,
A possible match for Anders and Anne’s marriage record
Link to the church book, http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=161&uid=21606&urnread_imagesize=full&hode=nei&ls=1

Protokoll: A 1 ØSTRE TOTEN
Side: 196a
Nr: 117
År: 1822
Kirke: H.K.
Vielsesdato: 30.10.1822
Lysningsforlanger: 337
Merknader: K: Christian Fæstad m. f. Pen

Rolle Sivilstand Stilling/
yrke Fornavn Etternavn Bosted Kjønn Alder
Brudgom Ungk. Hos Forældrene Anders Peders. Røstøe M 29 Aar
Brud Pig. Anne Hansdr. Nestrud K 34 Aar
Forlover Mads Nestrud M
Forlover Christian Fæstad M

Regards,
Arna

[gj04741]

Hi,

Anders and Helene in the 1865 census, http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=8&filnamn=f60529&gardpostnr=378&personpostnr=2314&merk=2314#ovre

This could be Anders Pedersen with his parents in the 1801 census, http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=13&filnamn=f10528&gardpostnr=241&personpostnr=5177&merk=5177#ovre

Regards,
Arna

[gj05502]

Thanks to all who have responded. It is amazing what can be found in such a short amount of time.
I am a bit concerned that I might not have the right marriage?
Supposedly!!! the family left in 1862/3 to go to America (Illinois) but can't find any Udflyttede record of that. As well, they shouldn't be in the 1865 census. Also the Ole I am looking for is born in 1861 Jan 1. It looks like this Ole is born in 1854 according to the census record.
I am wondering how this all relates to the farm name Sorgen which the family took as their surname sometime in America.
David Vinge

[Bjørg Lunde]

David,

This must be the marrage you are lookinf for: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-163

April 16, 1845 ungkar Andreas Pedersen Sørgen, 22 years old, born at Sørgen, and Helene Olsdatter Qvermun, 24 years old, born at Hagerbakken. His father Peder Olsen, her father Ole Pedersen.

They had several children:
Ole Christian born 1845 at Qvernum, bapt. 21.09.1845
Poul Andreas born 1847 at Sørgesæter, bapt. 24.10.1847
Peder born 22.07.1851 at Sørgesæter, bapt. 10.08.1851
Anne Maria born 21.11.1854 at Blaavarp, bapt. 14.01.1855
Anthon born 19.01.1858 at Blaavarp, bapt. 21.03.1858
Ole born 01.01.1861

Ole must have been the last child born in Vestre Toten. I am not able find when they left for the USA.

Regards,
Bjørg

[dn09189]

Thank you for all that information. That makes the most sense and matches other information I received from Toten Historielag.
Now the search is on for ancestors. Is there a bygdebok for Vestre Toten about the farm Sorgen.
Thanks to all who have assisted me.
David Vinge

[Bjørg Lunde]

Yes, the family is mentioned in Totens Bygdebok V - Eina, living on the farm Nyork, but there is not very much to find:

Andreas was born 1823, son of Peder Olsen and Anne Kristiansdatter Sørgen. The farm Sørfei is not in the book (probably more books will be written, but I don't know when).
Andreas bought the farm Nyork in 1856 and sold it in 1862.

Helene was born 1821, daughter of Ole Pedersen and Kari Gundersdatter Hågårbakken. The farm Hågår is in the book, but I can not find any Ole Pedersen there.


Andreas must be no. 32 left side here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-69 born on SørgenSæter

I can not find the marrage for Peder Olsen and Anne Kristensdatter.

I think Helene must be no. 167 right side here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-33 born on Sivesind. The names Elene and Helene are the same, and her brother Paul was born on Hågårbakken here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-73 (no. 74)

Ole Pedersen and Kari Gunderdatter's marrage in 1818, no. 23 right side here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-139 Ungk. Ole Pedersen Hagerbakken 23 år, hos foræl. (living with his parents). Pig. Kari Gundersdr. Brelie 22 år, tjener (servant).

[gj05502]

Again, I am amazed at the amount of information that is available. It would have taken me a long time to go through all the parish records to find these events. Now I can go to the 1801 census and glean information from there and then back to the parish records.
Thank - you so much Bjørg and others!
David Vinge

[gj04741]

Hi,
This could be the Peder Olsen and Anne Kristensdatter’s marriage record:you are looking for:
The link to the church book: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9314&idx_id=9314&uid=ny&idx_side=-446

Protokoll: A7 Toten
Side: %479%442
Nr: 034
År: 1809
Vielsesdato: 06.10.1809
Brudgom fornavn: Peder
Brudgom farsnavn: Olsen
Brudgom slektsnavn:
Brudgom bosted: Korterud
Brudgom yrke/stand:
Brudgom sivilstand: Ungk.
Brudgom alder:
Brudgom far:
Brud fornavn: Anne
Brud farsnavn: Christiansdr.
Brud slektsnavn:
Brud bosted: Karlsrud
Brud sivilstand: Pigen
Brud alder:
Brud far:
Forlover 1: Mann Frideric bor Korterud
Forlover 2: Mann Johannes bor Nergaard
1 lysning dato:
2 lysning dato:
3 lysning dato:
Lysningsforlanger:

Regards,
Arna Kristin