Birth of William H. Watson in Denmark abt. 1864

[Reinapol]

Hello Richard,

By the way of Gen-Nordic List I have understand that you are looking for William H. Watson.

In the mean time I have lost the thread because I had unsubscribed because of this spammer.

But now I saw he is keeping cool, so I have resubscribed again.

Is it possible to explain for who you are looking exactly? Because I saw more or your postings and I did not understand them.

I have some expierence in the mean time with Danish genealogy in the past years and I have concluded that it is very difficult to find ancestors back in Denmark.

I am just an amateur, have been looking already for years for my danisch ancestor, without succes.

Maybe I can explain something to you in Dutch about Danish genealogy.

Regards
Reina


Hallo Richard,

Via de Gen-Nordic list heb ik begrepen dat jij naar William H. Watson zoekt.

Intussen ben ik de draad een beetje kwijt, omdat ik heb opgezegd bij die list, vanwege die spammer.

Maar ik zag dat die nu zijn mond houdt, dus nu ben ik weer bij de list en zag in het archief nog meer berichten die over Watson gaan, waar ik echter niets van begrijp.

Is het mogelijk om uit te leggen wie je precies zoekt? Ik heb inmiddels enige ervaring met het Deense genealogische onderzoek opgedaan in de afgelopen jaren en ben tot de conclusie gekomen dat het allesbehalve gemakkelijk is om in Denemarken iemand terug te vinden.

Ik ben gewoon een amateur. Zoek al jaren mijn eigen voorouder in Denemarken, zonder succes.
Misschien kan ik ik het Nederlands iets uitleggen over Deense genealogie.

Groet
Reina

[Hugh Watkins]

Reinapol wrote:
snip

have been looking already for years for my danisch ancestor, without
succes.


who where when ?

Hugh W

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[Reinapol]

Hello Hugh,

Thanks for your reaction. You are very kind and because you are so
persistent I will tell you about my genealogical story.

But I also tell my story now to the list, because this list writes history.
And maybe later in time, someone will recognise this story, if the answer
has not been found yet. Thusfar the real answer has not been found yet, not
in former times before 1731, not later in time.

About 2 years ago I have informed and questioned different lists (with a
different emailaddress, so this was me) about the search for my danish
ancestor. I have got a lot of answers and the people have been very helpful.
Answers from all kind of listers have been of great help to find my way in
Danish genealogy, to understand danish history and how it worked in former
times with the namegiving and the farms etc, to find a lot of sites, and
finally I have got contact with another descendant of this ancestor. With
the help of all listers, I also have found my way reading almost all
churchrecords in Denmark: I have read
now all the records from North to South in the concerning timeframe, except
from Roskilde, Sorø, Holbæk, Ringkøbing and Åbenrå, I think, can'nt remember
how
much records I have read. So I have made great progress.

So you can imagine how helpful all the answers of all the people at these
lists have been. And I am very grateful to all these people who have
answered all my questions at the lists.

But must I start again to question all kind of lists???? No, I do not think
so.

Maybe I can tell something about the matter, because you are so persistent
and because this list makes history. But also, so that all the persons, who
have have been so helpful and who have answered my questions before in time,
can have feedback now, to hear of my progress and of what I have done in the
mean time, following their suggestions.

My ancestor has been Søren Rasmussen Gjessing, a shipscapitain, b. estimated
around 1700. He lived after 1731 in Grimstad, Norway, he was married there
and got children and he died in 1763, age unknown, at a journey from
Kristiansand to Dublin. This is all what is known about him (that means no
background information, timeforwards all is known about his family).

This information has been mentioned by Josef Landgraff in his book
"Grimstadslægter" in 1892 and he did a very good and serious investigation.
So if he did not mention a thing, it was not known at that time. Never there
has been found any other indications for brothers nor
sisters with the same name, not in Denmark, not in Norway.

His descendant says that Søren's father Rasmus must have been the son of
Søren Hansen Ølgod, 1611-1694, præst in Gjesing-Nørager sogn in Randers. I
have found 5 children back from this præst, they used indeed the familyname
Giessing (he must have got about 11 living children) but never a Rasmus
Gjessing/Giessing could be found as his son. But the records seems lost.

Honestly speaking, I do not believe this assumption, because if one has
Danish ancestors, about 98% have been originated from farmers and most
other "higher class" families are known in literature. The known children of
this præst Søren Hansen Ølgod are mentioned in literature, but no Rasmus
Giessing.

In Randers, at the places Ørsted and Voer, in the 17th and 18th century did
live families with the name Giessing. But a baptism of my Søren has not been
found there and he does not fit in one of these families (however a lot of
records are missing f.e.early in Holbæk, where some descendants could have
lived, maybe at other
places at Randers). However, one descendant from this family could have
moved to Kristiansand early 1700: that means I can' t find him back after
his wedding in 1698 in Ørsted and he could have been the father of my Søren
in the timeframe he must have been
born. But in Kristiansand the records also did get lost before 1734. However
this is one of the hypotheses, that "a" Rasmus Giessing married in 1698 in
Ørsted, Randers, could have moved to Kristiansand.

And it could have been indeed the case that his family Giessing living
around 1680-1750 in Voer and Ørsted, have been related timebackwards in one
way or another to a præst in Gjesing sogn, maybe not direct descendants, but
maybe descendants of sisters or brothers of this præst Søren Hansen Ølgod in
Gjesing sogn or maybe related somehow earlier in time anyhow
as a familymember of his predecessor Niels Hansen Brun 15....-1636 in
Gjesing sogn, Randers.. It looks like this family Giessing in Randers (in
Voer and Ørsted) in 17th and 18th century somehow have been related to
familymembers of one
of these præstefamilies in Gjesing sogn, without proof. It seems they have
used the familyname Giessing like a real surname before1700 and later in
time.

Also in Skanderborg families around 1685-1730 lived in Fruering-Vitved in
Gjesing sogn, and some of them took the name Giessing/Gjessing later in
time. These ones had no familyrelations with the family Giessing in Randers
and they have not been related to a præstefamily in Randers.

Even stronger, ALL persons named Gjessing living in Norway after
about 1722 timeforwards have been originated from Skanderborg from Gjesing
sogn, but about my Søren never any information (no clear baptism of a Søren
with a father Rasmus in Gjesing sogn in Skanderborg) nor any indications
could be found in the skifteprotocoller of Erik Breijl..
But the records did get lost in Skanderborg købstad before 1723 and the
skifteprotocoller before 1738. However in the 1700 census in Skanderborg
town no Rasmus Giessing was mentioned (while the other one, ancestor from
the other known families named Giessing/Gjessing living in Norway after 1722
has been mentioned in the 1700 census in Schanderborg By). Nevertheless at
the site of Erik Breijl, with his fantastic work of all
skifteprotocoller in that region, really not a single trace could be found,
nor of any familymembers of my Søren.

Next I finally found a baptism in Svendborg amt, Sunds herred (at the
island Tåsinge) Bjerreby sogn, in 1690, of a Søren Rasmussen in
Gjesinge/Giessinge (now called Gesinge). I have studied everything from this
region, and it looks like he was the one. That means: there seems no other
possibilities: As far as the records have been preserved in Denmark I have
looked in every place named Giessing/Gjesing etc. and this Søren Rasmussen
from Gjesinge/Giessinge seems the only one at which: and the name Søren
Rasmussen and a place Giessinge/Gjesinge has been mentioned. His father was
named Rasmus Hansen Jyde. This family has nothing to do with a descendency
of a præst (as it looks like).

Of course it's important to realise: In Randers (may be except from Ørsted
and Voer, do'nt know for sure) or Ringkøbing, or Ribe or Skanderborg: these
places named Giessing
are not located at the seaside and of course a person could become a
seaman/sailor/shipscapitain, but in Tåsinge the chances might have been much
greater, because the sea was
around.

However, this Søren Rasmussen from Tåsinge was a simple farmer's son and
there have been strict rules for the farmers at the time around 1700
(however he could have left his country in 1709/1710).
Nevertheless if this Søren did become a seaman, he must have done this all
alone.

This person Søren Rasmussen b. 1690 in Giessing was alive in 1709 ( I have
found him back as a sponsor in Bjerreby in 1709) and no wedding nor burial
of "a" Søren Rasmussen could be found in Bjerreby in the churchrecords
untill about 1780-1800, nor at the Fynhistorie archives (but not all
skifteprotocoller are yet online).

So if someone thinks he/she want to help: if someone has acces to the
skifteprotocoller of Tåsinge: the stepfather of this Søren Rasmussen
Giessing from Tåsinge has been Jørgen Christensen (not known when he died)
who has married in 1697 to the widow of the farm (of Rasmus Hansen Jyde)
named Anne Sørensdr. Maybe she died in 1720 (not sure if it is her). But
the brother of this Søren Rasmussen in Giessinge, Bjerreby, certainly died
in 1749: Hans Jydis i Skovballe age 75.

And this Søren Rasmussen from Giessinge can'nt be found back thusfar in
these region.

So that's the story.

Thanks for asking Hugh.
And what about your Watsons? Please tell us your story chronological.

Reina












Reinapol wrote:
snip

have been looking already for years for my danisch ancestor, without
succes.

Hugh W
who where when ?

[Jim Lund]

I believe you sent this to the wrong person. Good luck in your research.



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Birth of William H. Watson in Denmark abt. 1864

Hello Hugh,

Thanks for your reaction. You are very kind and because you are so
persistent I will tell you about my genealogical story.

But I also tell my story now to the list, because this list writes history.
And maybe later in time, someone will recognise this story, if the answer
has not been found yet. Thusfar the real answer has not been found yet, not
in former times before 1731, not later in time.

About 2 years ago I have informed and questioned different lists (with a
different emailaddress, so this was me) about the search for my danish
ancestor. I have got a lot of answers and the people have been very helpful.
Answers from all kind of listers have been of great help to find my way in
Danish genealogy, to understand danish history and how it worked in former
times with the namegiving and the farms etc, to find a lot of sites, and
finally I have got contact with another descendant of this ancestor. With
the help of all listers, I also have found my way reading almost all
churchrecords in Denmark: I have read
now all the records from North to South in the concerning timeframe, except
from Roskilde, Sorø, Holbæk, Ringkøbing and Åbenrå, I think, can'nt remember
how
much records I have read. So I have made great progress.

So you can imagine how helpful all the answers of all the people at these
lists have been. And I am very grateful to all these people who have
answered all my questions at the lists.

But must I start again to question all kind of lists???? No, I do not think
so.

Maybe I can tell something about the matter, because you are so persistent
and because this list makes history. But also, so that all the persons, who
have have been so helpful and who have answered my questions before in time,
can have feedback now, to hear of my progress and of what I have done in the
mean time, following their suggestions.

My ancestor has been Søren Rasmussen Gjessing, a shipscapitain, b. estimated
around 1700. He lived after 1731 in Grimstad, Norway, he was married there
and got children and he died in 1763, age unknown, at a journey from
Kristiansand to Dublin. This is all what is known about him (that means no
background information, timeforwards all is known about his family).

This information has been mentioned by Josef Landgraff in his book
"Grimstadslægter" in 1892 and he did a very good and serious investigation.
So if he did not mention a thing, it was not known at that time. Never there
has been found any other indications for brothers nor
sisters with the same name, not in Denmark, not in Norway.

His descendant says that Søren's father Rasmus must have been the son of
Søren Hansen Ølgod, 1611-1694, præst in Gjesing-Nørager sogn in Randers. I
have found 5 children back from this præst, they used indeed the familyname
Giessing (he must have got about 11 living children) but never a Rasmus
Gjessing/Giessing could be found as his son. But the records seems lost.

Honestly speaking, I do not believe this assumption, because if one has
Danish ancestors, about 98% have been originated from farmers and most
other "higher class" families are known in literature. The known children of
this præst Søren Hansen Ølgod are mentioned in literature, but no Rasmus
Giessing.

In Randers, at the places Ørsted and Voer, in the 17th and 18th century did
live families with the name Giessing. But a baptism of my Søren has not been
found there and he does not fit in one of these families (however a lot of
records are missing f.e.early in Holbæk, where some descendants could have
lived, maybe at other
places at Randers). However, one descendant from this family could have
moved to Kristiansand early 1700: that means I can' t find him back after
his wedding in 1698 in Ørsted and he could have been the father of my Søren
in the timeframe he must have been
born. But in Kristiansand the records also did get lost before 1734. However
this is one of the hypotheses, that "a" Rasmus Giessing married in 1698 in
Ørsted, Randers, could have moved to Kristiansand.

And it could have been indeed the case that his family Giessing living
around 1680-1750 in Voer and Ørsted, have been related timebackwards in one
way or another to a præst in Gjesing sogn, maybe not direct descendants, but
maybe descendants of sisters or brothers of this præst Søren Hansen Ølgod in
Gjesing sogn or maybe related somehow earlier in time anyhow
as a familymember of his predecessor Niels Hansen Brun 15....-1636 in
Gjesing sogn, Randers.. It looks like this family Giessing in Randers (in
Voer and Ørsted) in 17th and 18th century somehow have been related to
familymembers of one
of these præstefamilies in Gjesing sogn, without proof. It seems they have
used the familyname Giessing like a real surname before1700 and later in
time.

Also in Skanderborg families around 1685-1730 lived in Fruering-Vitved in
Gjesing sogn, and some of them took the name Giessing/Gjessing later in
time. These ones had no familyrelations with the family Giessing in Randers
and they have not been related to a præstefamily in Randers.

Even stronger, ALL persons named Gjessing living in Norway after
about 1722 timeforwards have been originated from Skanderborg from Gjesing
sogn, but about my Søren never any information (no clear baptism of a Søren
with a father Rasmus in Gjesing sogn in Skanderborg) nor any indications
could be found in the skifteprotocoller of Erik Breijl..
But the records did get lost in Skanderborg købstad before 1723 and the
skifteprotocoller before 1738. However in the 1700 census in Skanderborg
town no Rasmus Giessing was mentioned (while the other one, ancestor from
the other known families named Giessing/Gjessing living in Norway after 1722
has been mentioned in the 1700 census in Schanderborg By). Nevertheless at
the site of Erik Breijl, with his fantastic work of all
skifteprotocoller in that region, really not a single trace could be found,
nor of any familymembers of my Søren.

Next I finally found a baptism in Svendborg amt, Sunds herred (at the
island Tåsinge) Bjerreby sogn, in 1690, of a Søren Rasmussen in
Gjesinge/Giessinge (now called Gesinge). I have studied everything from this
region, and it looks like he was the one. That means: there seems no other
possibilities: As far as the records have been preserved in Denmark I have
looked in every place named Giessing/Gjesing etc. and this Søren Rasmussen
from Gjesinge/Giessinge seems the only one at which: and the name Søren
Rasmussen and a place Giessinge/Gjesinge has been mentioned. His father was
named Rasmus Hansen Jyde. This family has nothing to do with a descendency
of a præst (as it looks like).

Of course it's important to realise: In Randers (may be except from Ørsted
and Voer, do'nt know for sure) or Ringkøbing, or Ribe or Skanderborg: these
places named Giessing
are not located at the seaside and of course a person could become a
seaman/sailor/shipscapitain, but in Tåsinge the chances might have been much
greater, because the sea was
around.

However, this Søren Rasmussen from Tåsinge was a simple farmer's son and
there have been strict rules for the farmers at the time around 1700
(however he could have left his country in 1709/1710).
Nevertheless if this Søren did become a seaman, he must have done this all
alone.

This person Søren Rasmussen b. 1690 in Giessing was alive in 1709 ( I have
found him back as a sponsor in Bjerreby in 1709) and no wedding nor burial
of "a" Søren Rasmussen could be found in Bjerreby in the churchrecords
untill about 1780-1800, nor at the Fynhistorie archives (but not all
skifteprotocoller are yet online).

So if someone thinks he/she want to help: if someone has acces to the
skifteprotocoller of Tåsinge: the stepfather of this Søren Rasmussen
Giessing from Tåsinge has been Jørgen Christensen (not known when he died)
who has married in 1697 to the widow of the farm (of Rasmus Hansen Jyde)
named Anne Sørensdr. Maybe she died in 1720 (not sure if it is her). But
the brother of this Søren Rasmussen in Giessinge, Bjerreby, certainly died
in 1749: Hans Jydis i Skovballe age 75.

And this Søren Rasmussen from Giessinge can'nt be found back thusfar in
these region.

So that's the story.

Thanks for asking Hugh.
And what about your Watsons? Please tell us your story chronological.

Reina












Reinapol wrote:
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have been looking already for years for my danisch ancestor, without
succes.

Hugh W
who where when ?



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[Richard van Schaik]

Jim Lund wrote:

I believe you sent this to the wrong person. Good luck in your research.

I think you are correct on this! The answer will follow, but shorter
then Reina gave in her description of her search. But I read her
search-story with admiration, that is a load of work she described.

Reina: ik neem mijn petje voor je af! (sorry I can't translate this but
it indicates highest respect for (in this case) the work done by Reina).

William Watson and his wife are still fully in research but according to
the 1881 census of England they had a son (William H., born in Denmark
around 1864) and a daughter (Annie Ellen, born in Russia around 1866).
Annie Ellen became later (1-1-1887) the wife of Stanley Augustine
Starling. They are grandparents to my uncle (married to the sister of my
mother). The birth of Stanley is also slightly misked by circumstances,
he is still under research. He might be a illigimate born child but
"kind of adopted" by his future father (likely marriage was (in 1872)
about 6 years after his birth in 1866). Real legitimate adoption in
England was only possible after 1927 (hopefully remembered the year
correctly) hence "kind of adopted". That to the side as its a fully
british search on this problem.

William Watson (as above) had an occupation as Railway Contractor
according to the 1881 census of England (I haven't been able to find him
before yet, but he could still be abroad at that time). He died possibly
in the first quarter of 1891. His wife died possibly in the first
quarter of 1908. Those are still very preliminary data and have to be
confirmed.

For the moment I gave up on searching for the birth in Russia, but that
would be the most interesting part I'd like to know. Russia is however
vast and as was already (privately) given also completely written in
cyrilic (which I don't master).

Hugh Watkins came in on this Railway Contractor in Denmark and gave me
fine data from what he found in Copenhagen about this Railway
construction. It either (most likely option) confines the search to
Odense or (slightly less likely) Aarhus (in both cases read "and
surroundings").

But! It might also be that neither was ever baptized in the country they
were born in. Baptism might have taken place as soon as the family
returned to England, or even Hugh gave the option they might be
baptists. In which case baptism is expected close to marriage. In both
cases they never were entered into the birth registration of England,
but might be findable in some parish in England.

Indications I thusfar have point more to the option of being either
baptized in Denmark / Russia or at arrival in England, but that is
stretching data beyond the limit.

This is however a search of a few months so compared to the years of
research Reina did I'm only at the very early starting point with still
loads of research options.

Richard

--
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[email protected]
http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/

[Reinapol]

Hello Richard,

Thank you very much for your answer and for your nice words and your
support!

I do'nt agree with the remark of Jim Lund. The people at the Gen-Nordic list
have been always very kind and very helpful and they had the right to know
what I have done with all their help. And acting this way your William
Watson has got a
lot of attention, so this is a good result.

I had a look at your site and I am very, very, impressed by your
genealogical investigations.
I can imagine that it's a great challenge getting to know everything about
William Watson, his wife and his children. It is'nt the most easy
case-history. And I have to say that doing research in Denmark, if you are
not Danish, is extremely difficult. The Danish Demographic Database is very
difficult to handle. There must be much more information in it than one can
get out and the churchrecords are often not very informative if you want to
know f.e. the age of a person and where a person came from etc.

I understand from your story that William Watson might have been for a short
time present in Denmark, maybe only a couple of years, say around 1864. And
that you do'nt have the weddingrecord yet of Betsy and William. So there are
indeed all kinds of other possibilities: he might not have been married at
the time William H. was born, William H. could have been born indeed in
Denmark, but at some churchrecords you can see some lapses in time between
birthdate and baptismdate, at some parishes 4 or 5 months, sometimes more.
So it could be
possible that the father Willam left Denmark shortly after the birth of
William H., that he was baptised at home, which baptism has not been
confirmed in church in Denmark or that William H. was baptised elsewhere. Or
indeed, what Hugh
suggests: they have been baptists, or had another religion.

I wonder who have been the other persons named Watson, living around the
same time in Denmark, esp. in Odense and Svendborg. Could your William have
known the other Watsons?
What exactly has been the occupation of William Watson at the Railways? What
was his age in the 1881 census?

Kind regards and thanks for your reaction

Reina

Richard wrote:
Reina: ik neem mijn petje voor je af! (sorry I can't translate this but
it indicates highest respect for (in this case) the work done by Reina).

William Watson and his wife are still fully in research but according to
the 1881 census of England they had a son (William H., born in Denmark
around 1864) and a daughter (Annie Ellen, born in Russia around 1866).
Annie Ellen became later (1-1-1887) the wife of Stanley Augustine
Starling. They are grandparents to my uncle (married to the sister of my
mother). The birth of Stanley is also slightly misked by circumstances,
he is still under research. He might be a illigimate born child but
"kind of adopted" by his future father (likely marriage was (in 1872)
about 6 years after his birth in 1866). Real legitimate adoption in
England was only possible after 1927 (hopefully remembered the year
correctly) hence "kind of adopted". That to the side as its a fully
british search on this problem.

William Watson (as above) had an occupation as Railway Contractor
according to the 1881 census of England (I haven't been able to find him
before yet, but he could still be abroad at that time). He died possibly
in the first quarter of 1891. His wife died possibly in the first
quarter of 1908. Those are still very preliminary data and have to be
confirmed.

For the moment I gave up on searching for the birth in Russia, but that
would be the most interesting part I'd like to know. Russia is however
vast and as was already (privately) given also completely written in
cyrilic (which I don't master).

Hugh Watkins came in on this Railway Contractor in Denmark and gave me
fine data from what he found in Copenhagen about this Railway
construction. It either (most likely option) confines the search to
Odense or (slightly less likely) Aarhus (in both cases read "and
surroundings").

But! It might also be that neither was ever baptized in the country they
were born in. Baptism might have taken place as soon as the family
returned to England, or even Hugh gave the option they might be
baptists. In which case baptism is expected close to marriage. In both
cases they never were entered into the birth registration of England,
but might be findable in some parish in England.

Indications I thusfar have point more to the option of being either
baptized in Denmark / Russia or at arrival in England, but that is
stretching data beyond the limit.
Richard

Richard van Schaik
[email protected]
http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/

[Richard van Schaik]

Reinapol wrote:

Thank you very much for your answer and for your nice words and your
support!

YW

I do'nt agree with the remark of Jim Lund.

I interpreted his remark as that you shouldn't have asked Hugh Watkins
to extend on William Watson. Maybe he can clarify.

The people at the Gen-Nordic list have been always very kind and very
helpful and they had the right to know what I have done with all
their help.

Your research story was very much appreciated by me as example on how to
tackle a problem in this region.

I had a look at your site and I am very, very, impressed by your
genealogical investigations.

Thank you, doing my best and investing a lot of time on it.

I can imagine that it's a great challenge getting to know everything
about William Watson, his wife and his children.

It certainly is, its a pity Copenhagen isn't right next door. I would
love to go through those originals myself. But Hugh made already more
than up for this by his reports on what was found there on the railway
bussiness.

I understand from your story that William Watson might have been for
a short time present in Denmark, maybe only a couple of years, say
around 1864. And that you do'nt have the weddingrecord yet of Betsy
and William.

There is a possible wedding record, but that was in 1856 ....... just
not enough proof to order it yet (british certs are a bit costly for a
trial and error method). Then William H. and Annie Ellen were the last
two children still at home (or the only survivors) in 1881. I'll have to
get deeper into this as the period from 1856 unto about 1864 is then
still very unclear to me. The thought of more children but already
living on their own hit me today like a jack-hammer as before I couldn't
explain the lapse from 1856 to 1864 in their parents live without
children. So it helped just typing the whole at least already for me in
rethinking the problem.

I wonder who have been the other persons named Watson, living around
the same time in Denmark, esp. in Odense and Svendborg.

Watson is an extremely often appearing surname in England, and they
seemed to like the first name William a lot. Makes searching and
proofing more difficult

Could your William have known the other Watsons? What exactly has
been the occupation of William Watson at the Railways?

I have only one certificate and the 1881 census, both give him as
"Railway Contractor". That could mean almost anything in the range of
"overseer" (opzichter in dutch).

What was his age in the 1881 census?

He was 50 years old in 1881 (and 61 on his _potential_ death record in
1891 (before census that year). So born around 1830 (well before english
civil registration started in 1837).

I would appreciate it however to continue on this research in private
mails as the content of this post is very high in British parts and to
low in Nordic parts. Any finding relevant for the Nordic part I'll post
in this group again.

Regards,
Richard

--
Richard van Schaik
[email protected]
http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/

[Jim Lund]

I do not know what remark you are referring to that I supposedly made. I
subscribed to gen-nordic to find info on my Skanke line of ancestors. I
then received a thread about the Watson line of which I am not familiar
with, so I responded with the following:

"I believe you sent this to the wrong person. Good luck in your
research."

This was my ONLY response and remark. I apologize if this somehow has been
misconstrued as anything but that I thought I had been inadvertently
included in some thread that I was not connected with. I, as politely as I
could, wished you the best in your research. I still do wish you the best.

Jim Lund

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard van Schaik
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Birth of William H. Watson in Denmark abt. 1864

Reinapol wrote:

Thank you very much for your answer and for your nice words and your
support!

YW

I do'nt agree with the remark of Jim Lund.

I interpreted his remark as that you shouldn't have asked Hugh Watkins
to extend on William Watson. Maybe he can clarify.

The people at the Gen-Nordic list have been always very kind and very
helpful and they had the right to know what I have done with all
their help.

Your research story was very much appreciated by me as example on how to
tackle a problem in this region.

I had a look at your site and I am very, very, impressed by your
genealogical investigations.

Thank you, doing my best and investing a lot of time on it.

I can imagine that it's a great challenge getting to know everything
about William Watson, his wife and his children.

It certainly is, its a pity Copenhagen isn't right next door. I would
love to go through those originals myself. But Hugh made already more
than up for this by his reports on what was found there on the railway
bussiness.

I understand from your story that William Watson might have been for
a short time present in Denmark, maybe only a couple of years, say
around 1864. And that you do'nt have the weddingrecord yet of Betsy
and William.

There is a possible wedding record, but that was in 1856 ....... just
not enough proof to order it yet (british certs are a bit costly for a
trial and error method). Then William H. and Annie Ellen were the last
two children still at home (or the only survivors) in 1881. I'll have to
get deeper into this as the period from 1856 unto about 1864 is then
still very unclear to me. The thought of more children but already
living on their own hit me today like a jack-hammer as before I couldn't
explain the lapse from 1856 to 1864 in their parents live without
children. So it helped just typing the whole at least already for me in
rethinking the problem.

I wonder who have been the other persons named Watson, living around
the same time in Denmark, esp. in Odense and Svendborg.

Watson is an extremely often appearing surname in England, and they
seemed to like the first name William a lot. Makes searching and
proofing more difficult

Could your William have known the other Watsons? What exactly has
been the occupation of William Watson at the Railways?

I have only one certificate and the 1881 census, both give him as
"Railway Contractor". That could mean almost anything in the range of
"overseer" (opzichter in dutch).

What was his age in the 1881 census?

He was 50 years old in 1881 (and 61 on his _potential_ death record in
1891 (before census that year). So born around 1830 (well before english
civil registration started in 1837).

I would appreciate it however to continue on this research in private
mails as the content of this post is very high in British parts and to
low in Nordic parts. Any finding relevant for the Nordic part I'll post
in this group again.

Regards,
Richard

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[email protected]
http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/

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[Reinapol]

Okay, Jim, it is a misunderstanding. It's allright. It is me who have to
apologize.
Thanks for your best whishes.
Reina

Jim wrote:
I do not know what remark you are referring to that I supposedly made. I
subscribed to gen-nordic to find info on my Skanke line of ancestors. I
then received a thread about the Watson line of which I am not familiar
with, so I responded with the following:

"I believe you sent this to the wrong person. Good luck in your
research."

This was my ONLY response and remark. I apologize if this somehow has been
misconstrued as anything but that I thought I had been inadvertently
included in some thread that I was not connected with. I, as politely as I
could, wished you the best in your research. I still do wish you the best.

[gj01709]

Jim Lund wrote:

I do not know what remark you are referring to that I supposedly made. I
subscribed to gen-nordic to find info on my Skanke line of ancestors. I
then received a thread about the Watson line of which I am not familiar
with, so I responded with the following:

"I believe you sent this to the wrong person. Good luck in your
research."

This was my ONLY response and remark. I apologize if this somehow has been
misconstrued as anything but that I thought I had been inadvertently
included in some thread that I was not connected with. I, as politely as I
could, wished you the best in your research. I still do wish you the best.

Gen-nordic is not restricted to neither Skanke-ætten, nor the Watson

family, nor any other specific families.

So everyone may ask and discuss any families who has been living in the
Nordic countries, even if it is not "your family".

And, by the way, specific comments that some family is not appropriate
discussing here should be sent the list owner, not the list. Just in
case some wonder.

[Hugh Watkins]

Alf Christophersen wrote:

Jim Lund wrote:
I do not know what remark you are referring to that I supposedly made. I
subscribed to gen-nordic to find info on my Skanke line of ancestors. I
then received a thread about the Watson line of which I am not familiar
with, so I responded with the following:

"I believe you sent this to the wrong person. Good luck in your
research."

This was my ONLY response and remark. I apologize if this somehow has
been
misconstrued as anything but that I thought I had been inadvertently
included in some thread that I was not connected with. I, as politely
as I
could, wished you the best in your research. I still do wish you the
best.

Gen-nordic is not restricted to neither Skanke-ætten, nor the Watson
family, nor any other specific families.

So everyone may ask and discuss any families who has been living in the
Nordic countries, even if it is not "your family".

And, by the way, specific comments that some family is not appropriate
discussing here should be sent the list owner, not the list. Just in
case some wonder.


this is usenet

NO moderator
NOR list owner
rootsweb provides email interfaces for several usenet groups

Hugh W

[Reinapol]

Yes, please give some feedback of any finding relevant for the Nordic part
in this group again. We all are curious about your William Watson, at least
I am.

Today I have looked which parishes in Odense have been transcribed at the
IGI/VRI (in comparison with the records available at arkivalier online) and
it seems that all parishes (baptisms) have been transcribed untill 1875. So
it's very unikely that a baptism of your William was confirmed in church in
the county Odense.

Good luck with your investigation!

Reina

Richard wrote:
I would appreciate it however to continue on this research in private
mails as the content of this post is very high in British parts and to
low in Nordic parts. Any finding relevant for the Nordic part I'll post
in this group again.