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Steve Hayes

Re: Clooz vs Custodian

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 19. februar 2006 kl. 13.50

On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:20:02 -0000, Ron Fuller <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] (Steve Hayes) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:31:21 +1100, Paul Blair <[email protected]
wrote:

Paul Blair wrote:
I got it from typing
print autoexec.bat

at the C\> prompt

and getting the message "Bad command or filename".





PRINT writes to the screen or a file
LPRINT writes to device LPT1: - so maybe try that?

Paul

Oooops... sorry, forgot you were using Windows 9.x. LPRINT came later.

In that case, the syntax would start PRINT /d:lpt1 drive:path:filename

Bad command or filename.

The last 3 items take the info from disk, but if the file is already
open, leave the items out.

Bad command or filename .

If I type "dir /?"

I get a help screen.

If I type "print /?" I get "Bad command or filename"

THAT is what gives me the idea that the PRINT comand is mising from
Windows 9.x.






try:

type \autoexec.bat >> lpt1
Just did.


Got the C:\> prompt, and an error report from the printer: printer mismatch.




--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Steve Hayes

Re: Software

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 22. februar 2006 kl. 4.20

On 21 Feb 2006 17:19:14 -0800, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

I am looking for free or cheap software that allows Gedcom import and
export and has options to produce some nice charts.

Any suggestions?

http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/

You can get more information on soc.genealogy.computing


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: [email protected] (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

David J Grimshaw

Re: Software

Legg inn av David J Grimshaw » 22. februar 2006 kl. 7.31

Steve Hayes wrote:
On 21 Feb 2006 17:19:14 -0800, "[email protected]"
[email protected]> wrote:


I am looking for free or cheap software that allows Gedcom import and
export and has options to produce some nice charts.

Any suggestions?


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/

You can get more information on soc.genealogy.computing


I will second what Steve says.

What you will need to do is register online then download Legacy SE
that's the free version and once you have downloaded the program you
ought to have received from Leagacyfamilytree.com and e-mail that has
the unlock code for the free version and the install Legacy and type in
the unlock code when promoted or you can copy and paste the unlock code
either way it works, Then you away laughing.
One good thing about Legacy is there is also a user group so if you have
any problems you can ask this group, Legacy also keep an eye on what is
happening in this group in relation to the program simply so that any
issues such as bugs being talked about can be acted on and ironed out.
I have opted for the deluxe version which you pay for and IMHO Legacy
leaves Family Tree Maker ( FTM ) for dead in that you get upgrades or
builds between new versions for free where as with FTM they appear to
come out with a new version each year and bomb bard you with advertising
expecting you the researcher to pay about $30.00USD for the new Version
that may have very few improvements offer the old version, no
improvements between versions.
IMHO Legacy gives more bang for your buck than FTM.

All the best with your research and may your dollars or what ever
currency you use be used on research than paying for overpriced software.
David

Hugh Watkins

Re: Software

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 22. februar 2006 kl. 11.20

Steve Hayes wrote:
On 21 Feb 2006 17:19:14 -0800, "[email protected]"
[email protected]> wrote:


I am looking for free or cheap software that allows Gedcom import and
export and has options to produce some nice charts.

Any suggestions?


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/

You can get more information on soc.genealogy.computing


Family Tree Maker 2006 around $30 flat pack single cd

Hugh W

john

Re: Software

Legg inn av john » 22. februar 2006 kl. 11.24

Steve Hayes wrote:
On 21 Feb 2006 17:19:14 -0800, "[email protected]"
[email protected]> wrote:

I am looking for free or cheap software that allows Gedcom import and
export and has options to produce some nice charts.

Any suggestions?

http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/

You can get more information on soc.genealogy.computing



Genbox Family History http://www.genbox.com/ has now been reduced to
$29.95. It has very flexible charting - including everyone in database.

Paul Blair

Re: Software

Legg inn av Paul Blair » 22. februar 2006 kl. 11.29

Hugh Watkins wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
On 21 Feb 2006 17:19:14 -0800, "[email protected]"
[email protected]> wrote:


I am looking for free or cheap software that allows Gedcom import and
export and has options to produce some nice charts.

Any suggestions?


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/

You can get more information on soc.genealogy.computing


Family Tree Maker 2006 around $30 flat pack single cd

Hugh W

Hugh:

Not everyone lives in the US. Steve is in South Africa, Lawrence in the
UK, David in New Zealand, and I'm in Australia.

At current earning and exchange rates, with international postage, US$30
turns out to be quite a high price! For us, there is no such thing as
cheap software. :-)

Paul

Tom Perrett

Re: Software

Legg inn av Tom Perrett » 22. februar 2006 kl. 12.33

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:29:02 +1100, Paul Blair wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote:
On 21 Feb 2006 17:19:14 -0800, "[email protected]"
[email protected]> wrote:


I am looking for free or cheap software that allows Gedcom import and
export and has options to produce some nice charts.

Any suggestions?


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/

You can get more information on soc.genealogy.computing


Family Tree Maker 2006 around $30 flat pack single cd

Hugh W

Hugh:

Not everyone lives in the US. Steve is in South Africa, Lawrence in the
UK, David in New Zealand, and I'm in Australia.

At current earning and exchange rates, with international postage, US$30
turns out to be quite a high price! For us, there is no such thing as
cheap software. :-)

Paul

PAF is free and so is Legacy Standard Edition.

Tom

Hugh Watkins

Re: Software

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 22. februar 2006 kl. 20.00

Tom Perrett wrote:

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:29:02 +1100, Paul Blair wrote:


Hugh Watkins wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:

On 21 Feb 2006 17:19:14 -0800, "[email protected]"
[email protected]> wrote:



I am looking for free or cheap software that allows Gedcom import and
export and has options to produce some nice charts.

Any suggestions?


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/

You can get more information on soc.genealogy.computing


Family Tree Maker 2006 around $30 flat pack single cd

Hugh W

Hugh:

Not everyone lives in the US. Steve is in South Africa, Lawrence in the
UK, David in New Zealand, and I'm in Australia.

At current earning and exchange rates, with international postage, US$30
turns out to be quite a high price! For us, there is no such thing as
cheap software. :-)

Paul


PAF is free and so is Legacy Standard Edition.

I can't get on with them
FTM has a better interface

my point was avoid the boxed sets get the flat pack

I am in UK and DK but use $ as aguide

Hugh W

Steve Hayes

Re: Our Toolbar Featuring The Oscars Now Has Video! Check It

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 5. mars 2006 kl. 11.04

On 5 Mar 2006 01:47:37 -0800, "Roula" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ok, folks, more addons for our toolbar, including video... check it
out.

Well, that must really be the last word in progam bloat.

Apart from the bells and whistles, what genealogical purpose does your
program, whatever it's called, serve?


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

J. Hugh Sullivan

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av J. Hugh Sullivan » 2. april 2006 kl. 2.50

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:46:20 -0500, "Tim Campbell"
<[email protected]> wrote:

I have a relative who has found a website, where is is listed. He cites
"invasion of privacy" and demands to be removed. (to be fair, he consented
to information being retained if a login system using SSL is used, but that
cant cant be used in printed matter).

The program I use (as do many others) provides for global or individual
filtering of information for living people, but this causes massive loss of
data (using global filtering) or a lot of work on an individual basis.

My concern is broken lines: how do you deal with this?

p.s. what other objections have you found/heard regarding publishing family
history?

You don't say how you acquired the information. If it was from public
domain sources my opinion is that he has no say in the matter. At the
same time I would probably show a minimum amount of info.

Hugh

Dave Hinz

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 3. april 2006 kl. 13.02

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:50:45 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:

You don't say how you acquired the information. If it was from public
domain sources my opinion is that he has no say in the matter. At the
same time I would probably show a minimum amount of info.


Apparently the concept of "Don't piss of someone who might have more
information for you" doesn't enter into it then? Or even just "Don't
piss off someone who has asked you nicely to do something reasonable"?

Gjest

Re: Voice recognition software

Legg inn av Gjest » 4. april 2006 kl. 4.57

I have Dragon here and I tried to use it with WORD to do a book
instead of typing hundreds of pages.

Piece of junk drove me nuts.

If you are copying that much material out of a book, you are violating
the "Fair Use" of that book's copyright.

J. Hugh Sullivan

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av J. Hugh Sullivan » 4. april 2006 kl. 15.17

On 3 Apr 2006 12:02:39 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:50:45 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:

You don't say how you acquired the information. If it was from public
domain sources my opinion is that he has no say in the matter. At the
same time I would probably show a minimum amount of info.


Apparently the concept of "Don't piss of someone who might have more
information for you" doesn't enter into it then?

Genealogy is little more to me than name, rank and serial number
although most people embellish it with family history. In my genealogy
I see no problem with name, and dates and places of birth and marriage
therefore there is no problem.

Or even just "Don't
piss off someone who has asked you nicely to do something reasonable"?

Something reasonable is listing only name and dates and places of
birth and marriage.. Wishing not to show those is unreasonable. How is
showing available public info unreasonable? Our names, addresses, DoB
and phone numbers are easily found on the Internet.

Don't you have some real problems if you let everyone else make the
rules for your genealogy?

Hugh

Dave Hinz

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 4. april 2006 kl. 15.44

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:17:29 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3 Apr 2006 12:02:39 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

Or even just "Don't
piss off someone who has asked you nicely to do something reasonable"?

Something reasonable is listing only name and dates and places of
birth and marriage.. Wishing not to show those is unreasonable. How is
showing available public info unreasonable? Our names, addresses, DoB
and phone numbers are easily found on the Internet.

OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can possibly be gained
by listing living people? I know all my second cousins, I doubt that
I'm unusual in that regard. Why list anyone more recent? They'll
recognize the link from great grandpa & great grandma.

Don't you have some real problems if you let everyone else make the
rules for your genealogy?

There's no benefit, and it makes some peole uneasy and/or angry. It
seems to me to be an obvious decision.

Robert Heiling

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 4. april 2006 kl. 16.30

"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote:
On 3 Apr 2006 12:02:39 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:50:45 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:

You don't say how you acquired the information. If it was from public
domain sources my opinion is that he has no say in the matter. At the
same time I would probably show a minimum amount of info.


Apparently the concept of "Don't piss of someone who might have more
information for you" doesn't enter into it then?

Genealogy is little more to me than name, rank and serial number

Sounds like it's time to quit when it gets that booring. That's almost like
tracking dog breeding or fruit flies.

although most people embellish it with family history. In my genealogy
I see no problem with name, and dates and places of birth and marriage
therefore there is no problem.

Have you asked those people if it is "no problem" for them?

Or even just "Don't
piss off someone who has asked you nicely to do something reasonable"?

Something reasonable is listing only name and dates and places of
birth and marriage.. Wishing not to show those is unreasonable. How is
showing available public info unreasonable? Our names, addresses, DoB
and phone numbers are easily found on the Internet.

If the government and the IRS have their way, your tax preparer will soon be
able to sell the information from your return, perhaps even a copy of your
return. That will then become "available public information". Do you support
that move by the IRS and would you put people's tax returns up there on the
website along with the vitals?

Don't you have some real problems if you let everyone else make the
rules for your genealogy?

Heck man. I drive the way I want to. Ain't gonna let nobody tell me how fast I
can drive.

Bob

Dennis Lee Bieber

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Dennis Lee Bieber » 4. april 2006 kl. 17.47

On 4 Apr 2006 14:44:14 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> declaimed
the following in soc.genealogy.computing:

OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can possibly be gained
by listing living people? I know all my second cousins, I doubt that

Lucky you...

I can't actually point to the example in my data set, but I do
recall having the experience of finding (not very well documented, of
course -- as most online listings seem to be) a collateral family line
that seems to intersect with the data I have... perhaps on one deceased
individual across a wide spread.

Problem is: /that/ listing turned into "Living xyz", "Living xyz",
"Living xyz" for the generation that I /think/ links to the data I have.
My data had names for this generation, but no parents.

Go ahead and suppress the dates -- but at least give us the NAME of
the individual!
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[email protected] | Bestiaria Support Staff
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Home Page: <http://www.dm.net/~wulfraed/
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Dave Hinz

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 4. april 2006 kl. 18.07

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:47:03 GMT, Dennis Lee Bieber <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2006 14:44:14 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> declaimed
the following in soc.genealogy.computing:


OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can possibly be gained
by listing living people? I know all my second cousins, I doubt that

Lucky you...

Cousins then. List the grandparents, if they're dead. But you know, if
they or you don't have the grandparents or great grandparents, listing
the kids isn't going to help them find you, or you find them.

saki

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av saki » 4. april 2006 kl. 18.36

Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can possibly be
gained by listing living people? I know all my second cousins, I
doubt that I'm unusual in that regard. Why list anyone more recent?
They'll recognize the link from great grandpa & great grandma.

Not in my case. In most of my lines nobody knew the names of our great-
grandparents (on one case not even the correct names of the
grandparents), and I didn't know a single second cousin. Perhaps my
family is anomalous, but they did tend to become disconnected early on. I
grew up thinking that this was normal.

Last month we held a reunion for four scattered branches of our Jatho
family, each branch of which had been led to believe (for whatever
misguided reason) that it was The Last of the Jathos. Imagine our
surprise when we rediscovered each other. A newly-found cousin mentioned
that having found my online tree with contemporary folks mentioned
(birthdates suppressed but names spelled out) helped her make the
connection, and she emailed me out of the blue last August.

I don't have an inherent right to publish names or photos, but I'd try my
best to convince anyone who objects that there may be a virtue in limited
availability of such information, particularly for those of us so widely
scattered.

----
[email protected]
http://sakionline.net/familypage/index.html

Dave Hinz

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 4. april 2006 kl. 18.38

On 4 Apr 2006 17:36:51 GMT, saki <[email protected]> wrote:
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can possibly be
gained by listing living people? I know all my second cousins, I
doubt that I'm unusual in that regard. Why list anyone more recent?
They'll recognize the link from great grandpa & great grandma.

Not in my case. In most of my lines nobody knew the names of our great-
grandparents (on one case not even the correct names of the
grandparents), and I didn't know a single second cousin.

OK, grandparents then. Point remains, unless they see a name that they
recognize, it doesn't help to list. Today's generation, if they don't
know them, they won't know them. If they already know them, they
already know them. The previous generations are where you're going to
know you have a link.

T Flynn

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av T Flynn » 4. april 2006 kl. 19.11

On 4 Apr 2006, saki wrote:

Not in my case. In most of my lines nobody knew the names of our great-
grandparents (on one case not even the correct names of the
grandparents), and I didn't know a single second cousin. Perhaps my
family is anomalous, but they did tend to become disconnected early on. I
grew up thinking that this was normal.

And it's not ABnormal, but it does mean that people need to do their own
recent research. (My husband didn't know his biological grandfather's
name, so I'm gaining firsthand knowledge with this stuff :)) My library
has an online subscription to a newspaper database so I can do searches in
various areas for obituaries and stories. I live a day trip away from a
few great libraries -- state history, the local flagship as well as a
family history center that keeps local records stocked up. I think our
local history group has obituaries indexed for the regional paper. A few
libraries keep old city directories for research. And the 1930 census
lists most peoples' grandparents and even parents -- and it's public
domain. Sometimes it even just helps to go over to your grandparent's
church/synagogue/long-time employer/long-time organization and ask if they
have any information, or visit their gravesite and look around, or
interview any of their remaining friends.

I've made some contacts with cousins after going back a couple generations
and then finding them on discussion groups, or occasionally Googling for a
common (dead) ancestor with their residences. (BTW, Googling with
info you do know can bring you some really cool details. My father in
law's great grandfather was a tobbaconist/cigar maker and I gave him a
printout of a photo of one of the boxes he branded.)

One suggestion I do think is critical: Keep your contact information
current. If you're posting your data, make sure your email info is
current, and even if you use discussion groups, try to check in every few
months to see if others are responding even if *you've* solved your
problem. It's super frustrating to try to contact a person, track them
through multiple discussion sites, and never find a functioning address
*AND* see they haven't been posting in years. That's how living people
can make connections -- not by just calling random living people listed on
a tree.

Jeff

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Jeff » 4. april 2006 kl. 20.05

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message

OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can
possibly be gained
by listing living people? I know all my second cousins, I
doubt that
I'm unusual in that regard. Why list anyone more recent?
They'll
recognize the link from great grandpa & great grandma.


No immediate benefit but very useful if your descendants
continue your work after you are gone.

Dave Hinz

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 4. april 2006 kl. 20.22

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:05:46 GMT, Jeff <[email protected]> wrote:
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message

OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can
possibly be gained
by listing living people?

No immediate benefit but very useful if your descendants
continue your work after you are gone.

After I'm gone, my webpage won't be maintained. My database is
complete, of course. This is about what you publish, not what you
_research_.

Hugh Watkins

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 4. april 2006 kl. 21.16

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:05:46 GMT, Jeff <[email protected]> wrote:

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message


OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can
possibly be gained
by listing living people?


No immediate benefit but very useful if your descendants
continue your work after you are gone.


After I'm gone, my webpage won't be maintained. My database is
complete, of course. This is about what you publish, not what you
_research_.


why not Dave?

put a safety copy on rootsweb and be remembered

Hugh W

Dave Hinz

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 4. april 2006 kl. 22.04

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:16:52 +0000, Hugh Watkins <[email protected]> wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

After I'm gone, my webpage won't be maintained. My database is
complete, of course. This is about what you publish, not what you
_research_.

why not Dave?
put a safety copy on rootsweb and be remembered


My safety copies go to the LDS, not Rootsweb.com. Anyone doing data
preservation for profit, is less reliable than someone doing it for a
more personal motive. My data is safe, I'm not worried about that. The
generations since the 1930 census are a lot easier to find than the ones
before.

Jeff

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Jeff » 4. april 2006 kl. 22.52

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:05:46 GMT, Jeff
[email protected]> wrote:
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message

OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can
possibly be gained
by listing living people?

No immediate benefit but very useful if your descendants
continue your work after you are gone.

After I'm gone, my webpage won't be maintained. My
database is
complete, of course. This is about what you publish, not
what you
_research_.



Fair enough. It wasn't clear just from your posts that
Websites were the issue (it may well have been clear from
previous posts which I didn't see) But the lines blur for
some of us. Periodically I forward my research to LDS where
they publish it (Family Search & Pedigree Resource CDs) and,
of course will have it archived after I've gone.

J. Hugh Sullivan

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av J. Hugh Sullivan » 5. april 2006 kl. 17.39

On 4 Apr 2006 14:44:14 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:17:29 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3 Apr 2006 12:02:39 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

Or even just "Don't
piss off someone who has asked you nicely to do something reasonable"?

Something reasonable is listing only name and dates and places of
birth and marriage.. Wishing not to show those is unreasonable. How is
showing available public info unreasonable? Our names, addresses, DoB
and phone numbers are easily found on the Internet.

OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can possibly be gained
by listing living people? I know all my second cousins, I doubt that
I'm unusual in that regard. Why list anyone more recent? They'll
recognize the link from great grandpa & great grandma.

I'm the only one who has them listed so following generations will
have a source if they become interested in genealogy.

If you do genealogy the list is incomplete if you don't list all the
names.

I recently learned the names and whereabouts of my 21 1st cousins (of
51) who are still living. They were pleased to hear from me and learn
where several of us were living. I sent a complete roster to each.
People want to know about their living relatives.

Maybe none of those things interest you but I am as equally entitled
to my choice as you.

Don't you have some real problems if you let everyone else make the
rules for your genealogy?

There's no benefit, and it makes some peole uneasy and/or angry. It
seems to me to be an obvious decision.

I see no reason for uneasiness or anger if all I show is name and a
couple of dates. And, if the info is already posted, it's a little
late for them to complain.

Just so you'll know my info is not available to the public and, if I
decide to make it avaialable I won't ask anyone what they think.

Hugh

Dave Hinz

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 5. april 2006 kl. 17.45

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:39:48 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2006 14:44:14 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can possibly be gained
by listing living people? I know all my second cousins, I doubt that
I'm unusual in that regard. Why list anyone more recent? They'll
recognize the link from great grandpa & great grandma.

I'm the only one who has them listed so following generations will
have a source if they become interested in genealogy.
If you do genealogy the list is incomplete if you don't list all the
names.

I've got all the names in my database. I don't put current people in
the copies of it that I distribute.

I recently learned the names and whereabouts of my 21 1st cousins (of
51) who are still living. They were pleased to hear from me and learn
where several of us were living. I sent a complete roster to each.
People want to know about their living relatives.

If they're fine with being listed, sure. I've been going on the "assume
no unless told otherwise", which I think makes the most sense. Again,
don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Maybe none of those things interest you but I am as equally entitled
to my choice as you.

There's no benefit, and it makes some peole uneasy and/or angry. It
seems to me to be an obvious decision.

I see no reason for uneasiness or anger if all I show is name and a
couple of dates. And, if the info is already posted, it's a little
late for them to complain.

Asking for permission afer the fact is disingenuous at best.

Just so you'll know my info is not available to the public and, if I
decide to make it avaialable I won't ask anyone what they think.

And my point is, you risk pissing off a source of information by doing
so.

I'm done. I can't see this going anywhere it hasn't already gone.

J. Hugh Sullivan

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av J. Hugh Sullivan » 5. april 2006 kl. 18.21

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:30:41 -0700, Robert Heiling
<[email protected]> wrote:

"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote:

On 3 Apr 2006 12:02:39 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:50:45 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:

You don't say how you acquired the information. If it was from public
domain sources my opinion is that he has no say in the matter. At the
same time I would probably show a minimum amount of info.


Apparently the concept of "Don't piss of someone who might have more
information for you" doesn't enter into it then?

Genealogy is little more to me than name, rank and serial number

Sounds like it's time to quit when it gets that booring. That's almost like
tracking dog breeding or fruit flies.

It's not boring when you have the challenge of filling in more blanks
than anyone else has ever done. I can't absolutely prove a generation
before my gg grandfather but I can come up with irrefutable (so far)
logic for 5 more generations. That challenge is always there until we
get back to Adam and Eve.
although most people embellish it with family history. In my genealogy
I see no problem with name, and dates and places of birth and marriage
therefore there is no problem.

Have you asked those people if it is "no problem" for them?

No, and I will not. It's my choice.
Or even just "Don't
piss off someone who has asked you nicely to do something reasonable"?

Something reasonable is listing only name and dates and places of
birth and marriage.. Wishing not to show those is unreasonable. How is
showing available public info unreasonable? Our names, addresses, DoB
and phone numbers are easily found on the Internet.

If the government and the IRS have their way, your tax preparer will soon be
able to sell the information from your return, perhaps even a copy of your
return. That will then become "available public information". Do you support
that move by the IRS and would you put people's tax returns up there on the
website along with the vitals?

No and no. I don't put any data about finances, physical
characteristics or sexual prowess in my genealogy (unless number of
children is tied to the prowess thingy). I do include anecdotes about
a few people and maybe a cause of death. Also, I am my tax preparer.

Don't you have some real problems if you let everyone else make the
rules for your genealogy?

Heck man. I drive the way I want to. Ain't gonna let nobody tell me how fast I
can drive.

If I set the cruise control I can hold it within 7 mph of the speed
limit. If you really want to make some time fall in behind some
college kids going to or from spring break.

Although "illegal" is no longer a recognized term when applied to
immigrants, "public" is still a recognized term when applied to
genealogical information.

Hugh

whowell

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av whowell » 5. april 2006 kl. 19.05

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

Although "illegal" is no longer a recognized term when applied to
immigrants, "public" is still a recognized term when applied to
genealogical information.

I have found I get some interesting reactions now that I've stopped
referring to the folks as "illegal aliens" and have started called them
"criminal aliens"!

Robert Heiling

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Robert Heiling » 5. april 2006 kl. 19.52

"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:30:41 -0700, Robert Heiling
[email protected]> wrote:

snip

Although "illegal" is no longer a recognized term when applied to
immigrants, "public" is still a recognized term when applied to
genealogical information.

We live by different rules. After getting accustomed to the websites and
gedcom's that showed consideration for the "living" and knowing, of course, that
various genealogy software provided those tools, I must not have been paying
attention and had somehow allowed myself to be lulled into thinking that it was
a standard among responsible adults and something to be part of the education of
newcomers to the field. The recent discussions here and on its twin thread in
a.g have been a rude reawakening and reminder of various characteristics of the
human race. I doubt that further discussion would be productive.

Bob

J. Hugh Sullivan

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av J. Hugh Sullivan » 5. april 2006 kl. 20.08

On 5 Apr 2006 16:45:05 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:39:48 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2006 14:44:14 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

OK, maybe _you_ can tell me what specific benefit can possibly be gained
by listing living people? I know all my second cousins, I doubt that
I'm unusual in that regard. Why list anyone more recent? They'll
recognize the link from great grandpa & great grandma.

I'm the only one who has them listed so following generations will
have a source if they become interested in genealogy.
If you do genealogy the list is incomplete if you don't list all the
names.

I've got all the names in my database. I don't put current people in
the copies of it that I distribute.

I recently learned the names and whereabouts of my 21 1st cousins (of
51) who are still living. They were pleased to hear from me and learn
where several of us were living. I sent a complete roster to each.
People want to know about their living relatives.

If they're fine with being listed, sure. I've been going on the "assume
no unless told otherwise", which I think makes the most sense. Again,
don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Maybe none of those things interest you but I am as equally entitled
to my choice as you.

There's no benefit, and it makes some peole uneasy and/or angry. It
seems to me to be an obvious decision.

I see no reason for uneasiness or anger if all I show is name and a
couple of dates. And, if the info is already posted, it's a little
late for them to complain.

Asking for permission afer the fact is disingenuous at best.

I have no thought of asking for permission before or after.

Just so you'll know my info is not available to the public and, if I
decide to make it avaialable I won't ask anyone what they think.

And my point is, you risk pissing off a source of information by doing
so.

Based on your philosophy no one could give me any information anyhow.
No one is within 5 generations of me backwards so that only leaves the
living and I don't make much effort to keep up with newborns.

I'm done. I can't see this going anywhere it hasn't already gone.

I agree since we will always differ.

Hugh

Hugh Watkins

Re: relative does not want information listed in reports

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 5. april 2006 kl. 23.00

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:16:52 +0000, Hugh Watkins <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:


After I'm gone, my webpage won't be maintained. My database is
complete, of course. This is about what you publish, not what you
_research_.


why not Dave?
put a safety copy on rootsweb and be remembered



My safety copies go to the LDS, not Rootsweb.com. Anyone doing data
preservation for profit, is less reliable than someone doing it for a
more personal motive. My data is safe, I'm not worried about that. The
generations since the 1930 census are a lot easier to find than the ones
before.

great Dave LDS is certainly "kosher"


as a non member of the church I am ignorant of course

I believe their work done in duplicating / filming archives is a world
treasure - a great achievement comparable to bulding the pyramids

Hugh W

Gjest

Re: Moving from Legacy to PAF

Legg inn av Gjest » 21. april 2006 kl. 21.30

Hello Carl . you need to take a deep breath and practice your critical
thinking
I belive Tom was jerking our leg , rattling our chain , whatever !! , Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "cwsachs.dejazzd.com" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Moving from Legacy to PAF


Tom, I seriously doubt you're related the "King" . . . you don't know
how to spell his name, which incidentally is (correctly spelled)
Nebuchadnezzar.

Carl

tim sewell wrote:

I am now trying to work out how Shadrak, Meshak and Abednego will fit
into
my tree. Or maybe, with a little more imagination, I will be able to
show
that I am descended from King Nechubadnezzar himself. :-)

Bill Cribbs

RE: Ancestry.com Watch Out!

Legg inn av Bill Cribbs » 29. april 2006 kl. 3.13

Why would any serious genealogy researcher cancel Ancestry? That would be
like being on dial-up...then getting broadband...then going back to
dial-up...


-----Original Message-----
From: jklpods [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Ancestry.com Watch Out!

Ancestry.com is a highly unethical company. I called to cancel, and they
still charged my twice. Make sure if you cancel they do it then and there.
Better yet don't even deal with them. A quality company would never steal
from their own customers.

jklpods

Re: Ancestry.com Watch Out!

Legg inn av jklpods » 29. april 2006 kl. 3.16

For me I would cancel because of customer service and the price. The good
thing about not cancelling is you won't have to worry about them taking
money out they shouldn't.
""Bill Cribbs"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA7sboVUeWT0+ZQdE31u9JO8KAAAAQAAAA8/Nv1mnSh0u471t4kEa/[email protected]...
Why would any serious genealogy researcher cancel Ancestry? That would
be
like being on dial-up...then getting broadband...then going back to
dial-up...


-----Original Message-----
From: jklpods [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Ancestry.com Watch Out!

Ancestry.com is a highly unethical company. I called to cancel, and they
still charged my twice. Make sure if you cancel they do it then and there.
Better yet don't even deal with them. A quality company would never steal
from their own customers.

Hugh Watkins

Re: Ancestry.com Watch Out!

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 30. april 2006 kl. 11.55

Bill Cribbs wrote:

Why would any serious genealogy researcher cancel Ancestry? That would be
like being on dial-up...then getting broadband...then going back to
dial-up...


I cancelled because I have no money
I am saving up for Wolrd Deluxe but for no have to use the library
edition 5 minutes away by bus

I use my gmail account to write any notes, copy paste data etc

Hugh W

Steve Hayes

Re: data entry gui for transcription

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 6. mai 2006 kl. 5.19

On Sat, 06 May 2006 14:29:06 +1200, Peter <[email protected]> wrote:

Can anyone suggest a good simple software tool for transcribing records?
The application is to transcribe BDM, schools admission, ships passenger
lists, etc. We have a number of volunteer transcribers, and it would
really help to have a user friendly tool they can use. These folk have a
variety of PCs; WinXP, Win2000, Win98, Mac, Linux.

Custodian?


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Peter

Re: data entry gui for transcription

Legg inn av Peter » 6. mai 2006 kl. 5.35

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 14:29:06 +1200, Peter <[email protected]> wrote:
Can anyone suggest a good simple software tool for transcribing records?
The application is to transcribe BDM, schools admission, ships passenger
lists, etc. We have a number of volunteer transcribers, and it would
really help to have a user friendly tool they can use. These folk have a
variety of PCs; WinXP, Win2000, Win98, Mac, Linux.

Custodian?

That one looks rather expensive if we needed to buy multiple copies (plus it
doesn't seem to work on Mac or Linux).
It looks like it has lots of features, but perhaps more than we are looking
for.

regards

Peter

Charlie Hoffpauir

Re: Coming back to FTM....

Legg inn av Charlie Hoffpauir » 12. mai 2006 kl. 19.06

On Fri, 12 May 2006 12:28:28 -0400, Jason <[email protected]{AM>
wrote:

I just bought the latest Family Tree Maker....but I lost my whole
family tree from my prior attempt a few years ago...can anyone
search for my file in WTM.....Jason Allen Little

Parents are Raymond George Little and Mary Louise Whitehouse...and
send me the file if you can to [email protected]

I would appreciate it thanks!

I'm familiar with FTM but I don't know what WTM is.
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/
Message board:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=b ... .hoffpauir
Mail list:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname ... pauir.html
DNA project:
<http://www.familytreedna.com/(153dme45ewxtrs45rzxk5z2x)/public/Hoffpauir/index.aspx>
--
NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth

nancy

Re: opening an attachment.

Legg inn av nancy » 13. mai 2006 kl. 7.37

Listers

I am inquiring about an attachment that was sent to me and I am unable to
open it. It appears that it was sent in Multi-part MIME.

could someone please help me.

nancy duffy
canada

Robert Melson

Re: opening an attachment.

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 13. mai 2006 kl. 7.45

In article <005401c67634$caf923a0$677fa8d8@your5535ba4fa1>,
[email protected] ("nancy") writes:
Listers

I am inquiring about an attachment that was sent to me and I am unable to
open it. It appears that it was sent in Multi-part MIME.

could someone please help me.

nancy duffy
canada

An issue quite apart ... is this attachment from somebody you know and truse,

or is it from some unknown? If the latter, I'd suggest you just deep-six the
whole thing as it very well could be spam or a virus just waiting to hijack
your machine.

Bob Melson

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied
sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." ---Edmund Burke
-----

Charani

Re: opening an attachment.

Legg inn av Charani » 13. mai 2006 kl. 9.28

On Sat, 13 May 2006 05:35:10 +0000 (UTC), "nancy" wrote:


I am inquiring about an attachment that was sent to me and I am unable to
open it. It appears that it was sent in Multi-part MIME.

You don't open it.

If you don't know the sender *don't* contact them, delete the mail
unopened and unread because it sounds very much as though it was a
spam mail and the attachment could very easily have contained a virus
or some other malware. Spammers are getting smarter and will start
mails with "Re:" and also make it sound as though you've contacted
them at some point with subject lines like "Re: Latest News" or "Re:
Your Order" or "Re: Hallo". Or it could have been generated by an
infected PC. If you don't know the sender, the worst thing you can do
is contact them (if they have used a genuine address) because it tells
them your address is "live" and you'll be on every spammers list
around. Even opening a spam mail can confirm a live address if it
returns a "read receipt".

If you do know the sender, you contact him/her and ask them if they
sent you anything as an attachment and, if so, what it was. If they
really did send you something, then explain to them that you can't
open it.

Joe Makowiec

Re: How can I exclude the "Notes" data when a GED file is ex

Legg inn av Joe Makowiec » 13. mai 2006 kl. 10.41

On 13 May 2006 in soc.genealogy.computing, No Spam wrote:

When I extract a GED file from FTM the data in the "Notes" for each
individual is always included.

Is there a genealogy program available that would open allow me to
produce a GED file that excludes the "Notes""

The Master Genealogist (TMG - http://whollygenes.com/) has an extremely
flexible GEDCOM output. I haven't tried doing that, but I suspect it
should be able to do it. TMG will read your FTM file natively.

What exactly are you trying to do? If you give us a few more details,
somebody may know of a GEDCOM manipulation utility which will do what you
want. Or if your file isn't big, you can edit it using a text editor.

--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe

Steve Hayes

Re: Looking for friends

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 25. mai 2006 kl. 12.49

On Thu, 25 May 2006 12:57:39 +0200, <[email protected]> wrote:

I am looking for yÑ2¦r

And I'm looking for fH3#v


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Larry Dunbar

Re: How can I read an .ftw file?

Legg inn av Larry Dunbar » 28. mai 2006 kl. 13.10

Hi
Roots Magic will open a Family Tree Maker file.
http://www.rootsmagic.com/orders.htm

Larry Dunbar
[email protected]


Subject:
How can I read an .ftw file?
From:
"Malvary J Cole" <[email protected]
Date:
Sat, 27 May 2006 10:53:50 -0400



I have recently made contact with someone closely connected (2nd cousin) and
he has sent me a .ftw file of his family.

I use Legacy as my program, but I don't think I can use it to open the file
(I did try). What program do I need to be able to read the file? Is it
available free-of-charge as I am happy with Legacy and don't want to spend
money to be able to read this file.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Malvary in Ottawa



Malvary J Cole

Re: How can I read an .ftw file?

Legg inn av Malvary J Cole » 30. mai 2006 kl. 19.26

"Larry Dunbar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Hi
Roots Magic will open a Family Tree Maker file.
http://www.rootsmagic.com/orders.htm

Larry Dunbar
[email protected]



Subject:
How can I read an .ftw file?
From:
"Malvary J Cole" <[email protected]
Date:
Sat, 27 May 2006 10:53:50 -0400



I have recently made contact with someone closely connected (2nd cousin)
and he has sent me a .ftw file of his family.

I use Legacy as my program, but I don't think I can use it to open the
file (I did try). What program do I need to be able to read the file? Is
it available free-of-charge as I am happy with Legacy and don't want to
spend money to be able to read this file.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Malvary in Ottawa
Thanks everyone for the help. I now have the gedcom file and it opened

nicely in Legacy.

From it, I discovered my gr-gr-grandmother's name (my grandmother was named
for her), and with this additional information I was able to find them for
certainly on the 1861 and 1871 censuses, found my gr-gr-grandfather on 1881
and 1891 censuses. Then was able to check for their deaths, and have now
ordered their death certificates.

This new cousin is also the grandson of one of the children in two Christmas
photos that had been sent to my grandmother in 1913 and 1915. He didn't
have those photos, so was pleased to get them.

So thanks again, everyone.

Malvary in Ottawa

Geoffrey Wilson

Re: Adobe Reader help needed

Legg inn av Geoffrey Wilson » 30. juni 2006 kl. 14.14

I don't usually use Adobe products for pdf files.
I use Foxit Reader, free from http://www.foxitsoftware.com/
It is smaller and faster.

In article <00fd01c69ba5$34855420$69988843@y9w6c2> [email protected] writes:
From: [email protected]
Subject: Adobe Reader help needed
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:55:00 +0000 (UTC)

Hello group , I have a two page thingy in Adobe that I need to git rid of
page two
How do I do that ????? , Help makes no mention of that topic !
This thing is ' a Death Cert from the new Online Death certs from Vital
Records in Missouri , I do not need nor want the second page they so nicely
send along with the page that counts ! , Please an Thanks , Phil

Dave Mayall

Re: old schools database in the UK

Legg inn av Dave Mayall » 10. juli 2006 kl. 14.37

"tracy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
hi at the moment I am working on a new website for contacting old
school friends, we have over 40000 schools in the database but we are
still 1000s short, if you have any info on your old school thats
missing from our list could you please fill in our online form with
your school details, please note this site is only for UK schools
http://www.myhometown-schools.co.uk

So, what does your site do that is so much better than the site that already
exists to do exactly the same thing?

http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk/

Helen Castle

Re: old schools database in the UK

Legg inn av Helen Castle » 10. juli 2006 kl. 15.00

Dave,

This new one might work - here is Australia we had a perfectly good site
http://www.schoolfriends.com.au that was recently taken over by
http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk and it is abysmal.

My renewal went through no problems - though it did have me living in UK
initially
My husbands went through in UK pounds and his profile was set as living in
UK

I have updated my schools and details a couple of times and they keep
getting corrupted - I have given up fixing the years I have been at certain
schools and dont bother anymore.

We used Schoolfriends for some years and got a discount because both were
members. No such thing with Friendsreunited.

Though I will say they ballsed up hubby's renewal so badly that they gave
him a full refund and a years free subscription.

My one peeve is that they do not make their policy of not allowing email
addresses to be sent in message public - or I havent seen it. I get
messages from people saying contact me at .au. They have a robot that
strips email addresses but it cant cope with Australian ones and it doesnt
strip the .au at the end. It would be good if the robot put there something
like (stripped as email addresses not allowed).

I recently had a friend who sent out a mass message saying please contact me
at userid.au for details of the 50 year reunion of your high school. He had
no idea that they do it and wondered why people were giving him strange
answers. I have a feeling they also strip phone numbers so that killed that
as well.

So if it gives Friendsreunited a run for its money good on it because there
is no competition here anymore and the one we have is crap.

Helen Castle
Narangba Qld





"Dave Mayall" <> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
"tracy" <> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
hi at the moment I am working on a new website for contacting old
school friends, we have over 40000 schools in the database but we are
still 1000s short, if you have any info on your old school thats
missing from our list could you please fill in our online form with
your school details, please note this site is only for UK schools
http://www.myhometown-schools.co.uk

So, what does your site do that is so much better than the site that
already exists to do exactly the same thing?

http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk/

Dave Mayall

Re: old schools database in the UK

Legg inn av Dave Mayall » 10. juli 2006 kl. 15.07

"Helen Castle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Dave,

This new one might work - here is Australia we had a perfectly good site
http://www.schoolfriends.com.au that was recently taken over by
http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk and it is abysmal.

Not my experience here.

FriendsReunited always works OK for me.

Nick Spalding

Re: old schools database in the UK

Legg inn av Nick Spalding » 10. juli 2006 kl. 15.09

Dave Mayall wrote, in <[email protected]>
on Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:07:09 +0100:

"Helen Castle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Dave,

This new one might work - here is Australia we had a perfectly good site
http://www.schoolfriends.com.au that was recently taken over by
http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk and it is abysmal.

Not my experience here.

FriendsReunited always works OK for me.

And here.

--
Nick Spalding

cecilia

Re: old schools database in the UK

Legg inn av cecilia » 10. juli 2006 kl. 17.33

"Helen Castle" wrote:
[...]Friendsreunited [...]
My one peeve is that they do not make their policy of not allowing email
addresses to be sent in message public - or I havent seen it. I get
messages from people saying contact me at .au. [...]

My impression is that they strip email addresses on the information
displayed on the site (I've only seen one where the subscriber managed
to display it, in a coded format, for a while), and nowadays the first
email contact is held within their servers (like lostcousins). But
the private messages can have emails within the body of the message.
They indicate it is for safety, since it means one can choose who has
one's email. It also means they get more paying subscribers <grin>.

My gripe (as secretary to an old pupils' society) was that if one sent
a message and it bounced, one wasn't told (as far as I was aware).

I've observed that enthusiasm for signing up to friendsreunited has
waned compared with some years ago when people did it as soon as
leaving school. I suspect leaving groups have realised they can as
easily run their own mass-mailing, or have a private passworded web
page with yahoo groups etc.. In any case, a competitor will have to
work hard to get sufficient people for the site to be useful, I
suspect.

Ye Old One

Re: Re: old schools database in the UK

Legg inn av Ye Old One » 10. juli 2006 kl. 22.58

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:00:32 +1000, "Helen Castle"
<[email protected]> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

Dave,

This new one might work - here is Australia we had a perfectly good site
http://www.schoolfriends.com.au that was recently taken over by
http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk and it is abysmal.

My renewal went through no problems - though it did have me living in UK
initially
My husbands went through in UK pounds and his profile was set as living in
UK

I have updated my schools and details a couple of times and they keep
getting corrupted - I have given up fixing the years I have been at certain
schools and dont bother anymore.

We used Schoolfriends for some years and got a discount because both were
members. No such thing with Friendsreunited.

Though I will say they ballsed up hubby's renewal so badly that they gave
him a full refund and a years free subscription.

My one peeve is that they do not make their policy of not allowing email
addresses to be sent in message public - or I havent seen it. I get
messages from people saying contact me at .au. They have a robot that
strips email addresses but it cant cope with Australian ones and it doesnt
strip the .au at the end. It would be good if the robot put there something
like (stripped as email addresses not allowed).

I recently had a friend who sent out a mass message saying please contact me
at userid.au for details of the 50 year reunion of your high school. He had
no idea that they do it and wondered why people were giving him strange
answers. I have a feeling they also strip phone numbers so that killed that
as well.

So if it gives Friendsreunited a run for its money good on it because there
is no competition here anymore and the one we have is crap.

Helen Castle
Narangba Qld


In the UK it was good to start with but then they started to try and

make big money out of it and things started to go downhill fast. And
their genealogy offshoot = total waste of time (and money).

They get more like the money grabbing fatherless sons at ancestry with
every passing year.

--
Bob.

Robert G. Eldridge

Re: old schools database in the UK

Legg inn av Robert G. Eldridge » 11. juli 2006 kl. 1.07

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:37:55 +0100, "Dave Mayall"
<[email protected]> wrote:

"tracy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
hi at the moment I am working on a new website for contacting old
school friends, we have over 40000 schools in the database but we are
still 1000s short, if you have any info on your old school thats
missing from our list could you please fill in our online form with
your school details, please note this site is only for UK schools
http://www.myhometown-schools.co.uk

So, what does your site do that is so much better than the site that already
exists to do exactly the same thing?

http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk/


Maybe there is no cost to the user to meaningfully use the site,
unlike others.

--
Bob

Kerry Raymond

Re: program using the GenTech model

Legg inn av Kerry Raymond » 11. juli 2006 kl. 12.16

Or we could
start bottom->top and design classes based on the data model and start
working with those.

My preferred programming language is Java. Geneapro used Eclipse's RCP to
build an user interface. But I am not sure if maybe a webbased solution
would be better. It would be the best to structure the project so well
that
it is easy to have several different "view" layers.

To get acceptance from the users the program must hide the complexity of
Gentech in most cases. It should only be visable in 'expert mode'. So we
need a mapping between the simple 'traditional' model ("My grandmother's
name was ... and she was born on ...") and Gentech's evidence/assertion
model.

Given that GenTech provides a data model, it would seem logical to me to
start with that. I would also see merit in using Eclipse, but I would be
focussing on Eclipse Modelling Framework (EMF). Although GenTech is
expressed in Entity-Relationship diagrams, it should reasonably
straightforward to convert it to EMF's class/attribute/reference model. The
advantages of using EMF is that it will automatically generate all the Java
classes and XML input/output support automatically.

Then you have to build the application on top of that. That's where the fun
begins!

Kerry

Hugh Watkins

Re: Brenchley mailing list

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 12. juli 2006 kl. 22.13

Several years ago I started a mailing list for people interested in
the Brenchley family worldwide.

However, for some time the [email protected] mailing list has
been suffering from problems with slow propagation and some messages
disappearing altogether.

After a lot of testing I've concluded that coollist.com is not up to
the job. So I've been out and invested in some proper software to
bring the job in-house. The new list, like the old, will cover all
aspects of research into the Brenchley name (and it derivatives)
from its roots Kent in the 1200s, right up to date with news of
living Brenchleys worldwide.

To subscribe to the list all you need to do is send an email to:
[email protected]

with a subject line of: Subscribe List1

No need for any text in the body of the email.

For anyone interested the software I'm using is a program is called
VPOP3, available from Paul Smith Computer Services (http://www.pscs.co.uk).
If anyone needs help in setting up a similar mailing list then I
will be happy to help, write to me at the usenet@mcsuk address.

Ye Old One


Why not use RootsWeb where the archive will survive your own death?


Hugh W


--
new computer = new blog
http://mac-on-intel.blogspot.com/

daily blogs with new photos
http://snaps2006.blogspot.com/
http://slim2005.blogspot.com/

family history
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/

Hugh Watkins <[email protected]>

Gerry

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Gerry » 12. juli 2006 kl. 23.19

I am migrating to a laptop for a couple of months I will be without
my much loved family tree maker FTM 2006

what is best for MAC

any one using OS 10.xx?

thanks

Hugh Watkins <[email protected]


Reunion from <http://www.leisterpro.com/> is an excellent program
that I have used for many years. I'm currently running it on my G4
PowerBook running OS 10.4.7. They have versions that will run on
earlier operating systems as well.

Mike Mallett

RE: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Mike Mallett » 12. juli 2006 kl. 23.45

Have a look at Virtual PC which enables you to run Windows software on a
Mac.
As it is an emulator there is a noticeable reduction in speed but FTM seems
to run well on a PB G4/500

Not the cheapest solution but it means you can use the same data and don't
have to learn another program -
and you can run other Windows stuff if you must

Reunion is meant to be one of the better programs for the Mac but the
interface is quite different from FTM.
I recall there is a trial version that you can download from their website.





-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gerry
Sent: 12 July 2006 21:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree
programme please


I am migrating to a laptop for a couple of months I will be
without my
much loved family tree maker FTM 2006

what is best for MAC

any one using OS 10.xx?

thanks

Hugh Watkins <[email protected]


Reunion from <http://www.leisterpro.com/> is an excellent
program that I have used for many years. I'm currently
running it on my G4 PowerBook running OS 10.4.7. They have
versions that will run on earlier operating systems as well.

Dale DePriest

Re: unsubscribe

Legg inn av Dale DePriest » 13. juli 2006 kl. 1.19

YOu are posting to a news feed. There is no subscription here. If you
have a mailing list then you will need some other way to contact them.

Dale

Nancy Duffy wrote:

Could you please unsubscibe me from this mailing list.

Nancy Duffy
[email protected]

Unsubscribe


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Helen Castle

Re: unsubscribe

Legg inn av Helen Castle » 13. juli 2006 kl. 3.29

There is a multiplicity of ways to view this mail list/newsgroup. The only
way I can tell is my name is not in inverted commas and yours is so I
presume you dont receive it via newsgroup reader such as Outlook Express
like I do.

You appear to receive your mail via email list or digest mode

Go to this page for instructions on how to unsubscribe if you went thru
Rootsweb to receive it

<http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/GENANZ.html>

PS are your Duffy's from Yass NSW if so I have hundreds of them in my tree

Helen Castle nee Malloy
Narangba Qld 4504


""Nancy Duffy"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:000c01c6a5f9$271cdac0$737fa8d8@nancyhome...
Could you please unsubscibe me from this mailing list.

Nancy Duffy
[email protected]

Unsubscribe

Charani

Re: unsubscribe

Legg inn av Charani » 13. juli 2006 kl. 10.14

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:29:37 +1000, Helen Castle wrote:


Go to this page for instructions on how to unsubscribe if you went thru
Rootsweb to receive it

http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/GENANZ.html

A mail to one of these would be better :))

[email protected] or [email protected]

Helen Castle

Re: unsubscribe

Legg inn av Helen Castle » 13. juli 2006 kl. 12.24

ooops wrong newsgroup - what a dill

Now I look I cant find GENCMP in the Rootsweb lists
forget my previous instructions

What does GENCMP fall into on the lists?

Helen




"Charani" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:29:37 +1000, Helen Castle wrote:


Go to this page for instructions on how to unsubscribe if you went thru
Rootsweb to receive it

http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/GENANZ.html

A mail to one of these would be better :))

[email protected] or [email protected]

Helen Castle

Re: unsubscribe - the right instructions link

Legg inn av Helen Castle » 13. juli 2006 kl. 12.27

Sorry I sent you to the wrong page - this is the right one

<http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Newsgroup_Gateways/GENCMP.html>

Helen Castle
Narangba Qld


""Nancy Duffy"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Could you please unsubscibe me from this mailing list.

Nancy Duffy
[email protected]

Unsubscribe

Hugh Watkins

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 13. juli 2006 kl. 12.51

mine is Mac on Ingeldual chip and does not have virtual pc yet

Hugh W

Mike Mallett wrote:
Have a look at Virtual PC which enables you to run Windows software on a
Mac.
As it is an emulator there is a noticeable reduction in speed but FTM seems
to run well on a PB G4/500

Not the cheapest solution but it means you can use the same data and don't
have to learn another program -
and you can run other Windows stuff if you must

Reunion is meant to be one of the better programs for the Mac but the
interface is quite different from FTM.
I recall there is a trial version that you can download from their website.






-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gerry
Sent: 12 July 2006 21:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree
programme please



I am migrating to a laptop for a couple of months I will be

without my

much loved family tree maker FTM 2006

what is best for MAC

any one using OS 10.xx?

thanks

Hugh Watkins <[email protected]


Reunion from <http://www.leisterpro.com/> is an excellent
program that I have used for many years. I'm currently
running it on my G4 PowerBook running OS 10.4.7. They have
versions that will run on earlier operating systems as well.





--

new computer = new blog
http://mac-on-intel.blogspot.com/

daily blogs with new photos
http://snaps2006.blogspot.com/
http://slim2005.blogspot.com/

family history
http://hughw36.blogspot.com

Dave Hinz

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 13. juli 2006 kl. 15.58

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:45:23 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Mallett" <[email protected]> wrote:
Have a look at Virtual PC which enables you to run Windows software on a
Mac.
As it is an emulator there is a noticeable reduction in speed but FTM seems
to run well on a PB G4/500

Running Windows on a Mac so you can run FTM seems like a lot of effort
to saddle yourself with two inferior products and a performance hit.

Not the cheapest solution but it means you can use the same data

Reunion is happy to import data exported by FTM.

and don't
have to learn another program -
and you can run other Windows stuff if you must

Well, for that matter, if he buys an Intel mac, he can use "Boot Camp"
and run Windows natively on the hardware. But, unless you absolutely
have to, it's an inferior solution to running Reunion. It's really,
really, good. Seeing it is what finally got me to switch over to Mac,
in fact.

Reunion is meant to be one of the better programs for the Mac but the
interface is quite different from FTM.

It sure is. Completely intuitive, while still giving tons of options.

Jim Jaeger

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Jim Jaeger » 13. juli 2006 kl. 17.06

I am migrating to a laptop for a couple of months I will be without
my much loved family tree maker FTM 2006

what is best for MAC

any one using OS 10.xx?

Hugh Watkins <[email protected]


My wife has tried most of the available Mac (not "MAC", please)
genealogy programs. She uses Reunion.

Mac OS X v10.4.7 on iMac G5 and iBook G3, v10.4.6 on iMac G4.

jim

Jim Jaeger <[email protected]>

Tehenne

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Tehenne » 13. juli 2006 kl. 17.07

I am migrating to a laptop for a couple of months I will be without
my much loved family tree maker FTM 2006
=

what is best for MAC
=

any one using OS 10.xx?
=

Hugh W


ohmiGene

ohmiGene is complete software (Donateware) for the creation and the
management of genealogical data, susceptible to work on MacOS X,
Windows and Linux (with the same database).

<http://www.nauze.com/ohmiGene/indexEN.html>

For information: ohmiGene is certainly software, using a database,
which handle best the gedcom format.

=


-- =

T=C3=A9henne Saint-Denis de la R=C3=A9union

Comparatif Import-Export Gedcom : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cajun/
Logiciel de g=C3=A9n=C3=A9alogie ohmiGene : http://www.nauze.com/

[email protected] (Tehenne)

Ye Old One

Re: Re: Brenchley mailing list

Legg inn av Ye Old One » 13. juli 2006 kl. 17.09

Several years ago I started a mailing list for people interested in
the Brenchley family worldwide.

However, for some time the [email protected] mailing list has
been suffering from problems with slow propagation and some messages
disappearing altogether.

After a lot of testing I've concluded that coollist.com is not up to
the job. So I've been out and invested in some proper software to
bring the job in-house. The new list, like the old, will cover all
aspects of research into the Brenchley name (and it derivatives)
from its roots Kent in the 1200s, right up to date with news of
living Brenchleys worldwide.

To subscribe to the list all you need to do is send an email to:
[email protected]

with a subject line of: Subscribe List1

No need for any text in the body of the email.

For anyone interested the software I'm using is a program is called
VPOP3, available from Paul Smith Computer Services (http://www.pscs.co.uk).
If anyone needs help in setting up a similar mailing list then I
will be happy to help, write to me at the usenet@mcsuk address.

Ye Old One

Why not use RootsWeb where the archive will survive your own death?

Hugh Watkins <[email protected]


Well, as it is the archive will survive my own death because it is a
family resource and there are systems in place to handle this sort
of thing.

Secondly, I told RootsWeb are not allowing new lists at the moment.

And finally, I am always very wary about any organization/site which
Ancestry has its fingers in.

Besides, it has been fun (and a real learning experience) to set the
list up and get it working.

--
Bob.

Ye Old One <[email protected]>

Hugh Watkins

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 13. juli 2006 kl. 17.12

thank you all

I will get reunion later today

I am having trouble with aol imap on the mac
can receive but not send
nor find out how to edit smtp port data

"mail" seems poor

and MS Office teachers was a good buy on amazon.co.uk 100 for 3
licenses but that version of Outlook doesn't send either

in WinXp MS OE keeps on trucking with imap

usenet I use news international server and I have set that up in
Mozilla suite on the mac

remember when it used to take 2 to 4 hours to ftp netscape for the
mac from a university site :-)
no so many minutes with broadband

those were the days
when the tele company rebooted their server at 6;00 am 10 minutes before
the download was finiahed - and NO resume

my telephone bill was astronomical


Hugh W


--

new computer = new blog
http://mac-on-intel.blogspot.com/

daily blogs with new photos
http://snaps2006.blogspot.com/
http://slim2005.blogspot.com/

family history
http://hughw36.blogspot.com

Hugh Watkins <[email protected]>

Hugh Watkins

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 13. juli 2006 kl. 17.15

I am migrating to a laptop for a couple of months I will be without
my much loved family tree maker FTM 2006

what is best for MAC

any one using OS 10.xx?

Hugh Watkins <[email protected]

Reunion from <http://www.leisterpro.com/> is an excellent program
that I have used for many years. I'm currently running it on my G4
PowerBook running OS 10.4.7. They have versions that will run on
earlier operating systems as well.

Gerry


thank you Gerry

I got Heridis in the shop
but it does not look good for my style of working with extensive notes

regards

Hugh W


--
new computer = new blog
http://mac-on-intel.blogspot.com/

daily blogs with new photos
http://snaps2006.blogspot.com/
http://slim2005.blogspot.com/

family history
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/

Hugh Watkins <[email protected]>

Steve W. Jackson

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Steve W. Jackson » 13. juli 2006 kl. 18.21

In article <00b301c6a5f4$10f60640$0300a8c0@piii>,
[email protected] ("Mike Mallett") wrote:

Have a look at Virtual PC which enables you to run Windows software on a
Mac.
As it is an emulator there is a noticeable reduction in speed but FTM seems
to run well on a PB G4/500

Not the cheapest solution but it means you can use the same data and don't
have to learn another program -
and you can run other Windows stuff if you must

Reunion is meant to be one of the better programs for the Mac but the
interface is quite different from FTM.
I recall there is a trial version that you can download from their website.

Top-posting sucks!

Recommending Virtual PC may not be such a good idea. There seems to be
a problem with it in the most recent Mac OS X.
--
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama

Steve W. Jackson

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Steve W. Jackson » 13. juli 2006 kl. 21.11

In article <00de01c6a6b4$70632e30$0300a8c0@piii>,
[email protected] ("Mike Mallett") wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve W. Jackson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 13 July 2006 18:22
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree
programme please

In article <00b301c6a5f4$10f60640$0300a8c0@piii>,
[email protected] ("Mike Mallett") wrote:

Have a look at Virtual PC which enables you to run Windows
software on
a Mac.
As it is an emulator there is a noticeable reduction in
speed but FTM
seems to run well on a PB G4/500

Not the cheapest solution but it means you can use the same
data and
don't have to learn another program - and you can run other Windows
stuff if you must

Reunion is meant to be one of the better programs for the
Mac but the
interface is quite different from FTM.
I recall there is a trial version that you can download
from their website.

Top-posting sucks!

Recommending Virtual PC may not be such a good idea. There
seems to be a problem with it in the most recent Mac OS X.
--
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama


I had hoped not to get sucked into another top v bottom debate that seems to
exist on many lists
:-)

I agree Virtual PC is a not great solution as it seems to run at what I
reckon is about 10-20% of the Mac's clock speed
I went along this route as I already had FTM, it isn't particularly
demanding and was for occasional laptop use. Some other Windows software I
tried does struggle !


Mike

My response wasn't about performance. It's my understanding that VPC
may not run on recent versions of Mac OS X.
--
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama

Mike Mallett

RE: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Mike Mallett » 13. juli 2006 kl. 22.42

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve W. Jackson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 13 July 2006 18:22
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree
programme please

In article <00b301c6a5f4$10f60640$0300a8c0@piii>,
[email protected] ("Mike Mallett") wrote:

Have a look at Virtual PC which enables you to run Windows
software on
a Mac.
As it is an emulator there is a noticeable reduction in
speed but FTM
seems to run well on a PB G4/500

Not the cheapest solution but it means you can use the same
data and
don't have to learn another program - and you can run other Windows
stuff if you must

Reunion is meant to be one of the better programs for the
Mac but the
interface is quite different from FTM.
I recall there is a trial version that you can download
from their website.

Top-posting sucks!

Recommending Virtual PC may not be such a good idea. There
seems to be a problem with it in the most recent Mac OS X.
--
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama


I had hoped not to get sucked into another top v bottom debate that seems to
exist on many lists
:-)

I agree Virtual PC is a not great solution as it seems to run at what I
reckon is about 10-20% of the Mac's clock speed
I went along this route as I already had FTM, it isn't particularly
demanding and was for occasional laptop use. Some other Windows software I
tried does struggle !


Mike









>

Mike Mallett

RE: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Mike Mallett » 13. juli 2006 kl. 22.47

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hinz [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 13 July 2006 15:58
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree
programme please

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:45:23 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Mallett"
[email protected]> wrote:
Have a look at Virtual PC which enables you to run Windows
software on
a Mac.
As it is an emulator there is a noticeable reduction in
speed but FTM
seems to run well on a PB G4/500

Running Windows on a Mac so you can run FTM seems like a lot
of effort to saddle yourself with two inferior products and a
performance hit.

I agree about the performance hit !

I made this on suggestion because I assume he already FTM and didn't want to
learn another program

I've just looked at the curent pricing of Virtual PC with Windows and this
is around GBP200 in the UK
Which would make it less viable. Reunion is about GBP60 here

Not the cheapest solution but it means you can use the same data

Reunion is happy to import data exported by FTM.

Does this means actual FTW files or just GEDCIOM ?



and don't
have to learn another program -
and you can run other Windows stuff if you must

Well, for that matter, if he buys an Intel mac, he can use "Boot Camp"
and run Windows natively on the hardware. But, unless you absolutely
have to, it's an inferior solution to running Reunion. It's
really, really, good. Seeing it is what finally got me to
switch over to Mac, in fact.

Reunion is meant to be one of the better programs for the
Mac but the
interface is quite different from FTM.

It sure is. Completely intuitive, while still giving tons of options.

Steve W. Jackson

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Steve W. Jackson » 13. juli 2006 kl. 23.46

In article <010001c6a6c7$bd2a3340$0300a8c0@piii>,
[email protected] ("Mike Mallett") wrote:
I agree Virtual PC is a not great solution as it seems to
run at what
I reckon is about 10-20% of the Mac's clock speed I went along
this route as I already had FTM, it isn't particularly demanding
and was for occasional laptop use. Some other Windows software I
tried does struggle !

Mike

My response wasn't about performance. It's my understanding
that VPC may not run on recent versions of Mac OS X.
--
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama


I'm not a Mac expert but I think it is the CPU rather than the OS
that is the problem. Intel based Macs can't run VPC but of course you
can use Bootcamp to run Windows

For the Powermacs you'd need a fairly fast G4 or G5 to run VPC + XP

The more we look at this Reunion seems the best option ....

A quick visit to the M$ site confirms that VPC 7 does run on PPC Macs
but not the new Intel-based Macs. I thought I recalled that it didn't
run on Mac OS X 10.4 at all, but either I was mistaken or that problem
has been resolved.

Even so, I will *never* recommend any solution (i.e., Boot Camp) that
requires running Windows instead of Mac OS X. And I will also *never*
recommend any Windows solution for genealogy software when Reunion is an
outstanding solution which is sufficient to warrant the purchase of a
new Mac all by itself.

= Steve =
--
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama

Mike Mallett

RE: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Mike Mallett » 14. juli 2006 kl. 1.00

I agree Virtual PC is a not great solution as it seems to
run at what
I reckon is about 10-20% of the Mac's clock speed I went along this
route as I already had FTM, it isn't particularly demanding and was
for occasional laptop use. Some other Windows software I tried does
struggle !


Mike

My response wasn't about performance. It's my understanding
that VPC may not run on recent versions of Mac OS X.
--
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama


I'm not a Mac expert but I think it is the CPU rather than the OS that is
the problem.
Intel based Macs can't run VPC but of course you can use Bootcamp to run
Windows

For the Powermacs you'd need a fairly fast G4 or G5 to run VPC + XP

The more we look at this Reunion seems the best option ....

Hugh Watkins

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 14. juli 2006 kl. 7.52

Steve W. Jackson wrote:
In article <00de01c6a6b4$70632e30$0300a8c0@piii>,
[email protected] ("Mike Mallett") wrote:





-----Original Message-----
From: Steve W. Jackson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 13 July 2006 18:22
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree
programme please

In article <00b301c6a5f4$10f60640$0300a8c0@piii>,
[email protected] ("Mike Mallett") wrote:


Have a look at Virtual PC which enables you to run Windows

software on

a Mac.
As it is an emulator there is a noticeable reduction in

speed but FTM

seems to run well on a PB G4/500

Not the cheapest solution but it means you can use the same

data and

don't have to learn another program - and you can run other Windows
stuff if you must

Reunion is meant to be one of the better programs for the

Mac but the

interface is quite different from FTM.
I recall there is a trial version that you can download

from their website.

Top-posting sucks!

Recommending Virtual PC may not be such a good idea. There
seems to be a problem with it in the most recent Mac OS X.
--
Steve W. Jackson
Montgomery, Alabama


I had hoped not to get sucked into another top v bottom debate that seems to
exist on many lists
:-)

I agree Virtual PC is a not great solution as it seems to run at what I
reckon is about 10-20% of the Mac's clock speed
I went along this route as I already had FTM, it isn't particularly
demanding and was for occasional laptop use. Some other Windows software I
tried does struggle !


Mike


My response wasn't about performance. It's my understanding that VPC
may not run on recent versions of Mac OS X.

I agree the mac v pc shootout has been going on for at least 10 years
for the last nine years it has been *BORING*

they are both turing maschines and are essentailly identical - merely
the interface is different

computers are tools and neither pets nor religions

as soon as I can afford it I will buy a modern PC and run the mac OS
and the Win Vista OS hand in hand

I am still adjusting to the move from OS 6 to 9 to OS 10
and I *was* a power user
but I have not started customising yet (eg hierarchical apple menu)
because I want to learn what is new in the GUI

I was reluctant to start this thread because it could easily degenerate
into the sillies

sorry about that

haven't downloaded reunion yet
did a snaps one blog Rubn Rabbit Run
on the mac using firefox instead after an evening walk

I have acouple of wills to collect this morning
then I will scan and upload them

--

new computer = new blog
http://mac-on-intel.blogspot.com/

daily blogs with new photos
http://snaps2006.blogspot.com/
http://slim2005.blogspot.com/

family history
http://hughw36.blogspot.com

Charani

Re: unsubscribe

Legg inn av Charani » 14. juli 2006 kl. 9.49

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:24:08 +1000, Helen Castle wrote:

What does GENCMP fall into on the lists?

Gatewayed Newsgroups or lists, I forget which. It's right down at the
bottom

singhals

Re: Family History Software Questionnaire

Legg inn av singhals » 15. juli 2006 kl. 15.45

[email protected] wrote:

Hi,

I'm researching opinions on family history software because I want to
build something better. Please help me by spending five minutes of your
time completing this short and anonymous questionnaire:

http://johntopl.wufoo.com/forms/family- ... tionnaire/

Many thanks!

John


He's sure asking in enough places to get a broad range of opinion.

Cheryl

who STILL prefers PAF 2.31

Gjest

Re: Family History Software Questionnaire

Legg inn av Gjest » 15. juli 2006 kl. 15.48

He's sure asking in enough places to get a broad range of opinion.

Cheryl

who STILL prefers PAF 2.31

That's the idea!

Regards,

John

T.M. Sommers

Re: PDF to JPEG

Legg inn av T.M. Sommers » 15. juli 2006 kl. 21.46

GAM wrote:
I am putting together a scrapbook using Broderbund Scrapbook Designer. I
wish to include some PAF charts, which are in PDF format. The Scrapbook
seems to accepts only JPEG or TIF files.

I have printed the PDF chart and scanned it using a flat bed scanner
outputting it in JPEG which leads to less than optimum results.

Best not to use jpeg, which is intended for photographs and is
lossy. The eye doesn't notice the losses in a photo, but a
printed document is another matter. All those sharp edges
between the white of the page and the black of the printing are
the problem; they will get blurred. Instead, use a lossless
format, such as tiff or png or even gif.

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- [email protected] -- AB2SB

Hugh Watkins

Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree programme ple

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 15. juli 2006 kl. 22.48

I am learning a lot these days

Mac OS 10.4

knocks out several apps


Norton Internt Security 3.0* even after updating is not useable and
will not be supprted according to the web site
and has been put back in the box and will go back to the shop
(like the mighty mouse which was too small for my big hands - already
returned)

Virtual PC is not available for OS 10.4


Remote Desk Top connection Mac >> PC worked once and died
lotta complaints on the NG

the one time it worked I ould open FTM 2006 in a window on the intel
dual processor mac


WHAT IS NEWS THO !!!!

Parallels Desktop for the intel powered Mac

according to UK MacUser fater and better than bootcamp
I installed the Win XP version

and got as far a virtual bios console

black screen

I put in my WinXP install from 2002


got the blue screen pre install loading drivers

then it hung

GOTCHA no 1

uninstall the Norton Virus checker to free up the dvdd drive


GOTCHA no 2

it said my WinXP CD was an updater not an installer
and I must insert anothe Win 98 or whatever cd first


MS has not printed upadate anywhere on the package

so my old cCDs are deep packed in attic boxes !!'


see http://www.parallels.com/

Parallels Desktop for Mac is the first solution that gives Apple users
the ability to run Windows alongside Mac OS X in a secure, isolated
virtual machine. Parallels Desktop works with any Intel-powered Apple,
including iMac, Mac Mini, MacBook and MacBook Pro.

* Limited time offer! Buy through 15th of July for only $49.99 and get
$30 OFF!



http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/

serious vooddoo

* un any OS at the Same Time as Mac OS X
Use any version of Windows (3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, Me, 2000, NT, XP,
2003), any Linux distribution, FreeBSD, Solaris, OS/2, eComStation, or
MS-DOS in secure virtual machines running alongside – not instead of -
Mac OS X.

* Build virtual machines that work exactly like stand-alone Windows
computers
Use applications, access the internet, and work with any piece of
hardware just like you would on a real computer, without the hassle of
shutting down or booting up OSes or switching between terminals.

* Easily share files and folders between Windows and Mac OS X
Using the Parallels Shared Folders tool, you can easily share
documents and folders, or cut and paste data, between any Windows XP,
2003 or 2000 virtual machine and your Mac OS X machine. No networking or
complicated set up required!


now I just happened to have an old Red hat Linux 6.1
boxed set a teachers show freebie !!!



so this old mac on intel will be triple boot within a month

Hugh W






PS Trevor Rix emailed me off list and posted Reunion tome on Saturday
from TWRComputing



Mike Mallett wrote:
Have a look at Virtual PC which enables you to run Windows software on a
Mac.
As it is an emulator there is a noticeable reduction in speed but FTM seems
to run well on a PB G4/500

Not the cheapest solution but it means you can use the same data and don't
have to learn another program -
and you can run other Windows stuff if you must

Reunion is meant to be one of the better programs for the Mac but the
interface is quite different from FTM.
I recall there is a trial version that you can download from their website.






-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gerry
Sent: 12 July 2006 21:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: macintosh and what is the best family tree
programme please



I am migrating to a laptop for a couple of months I will be

without my

much loved family tree maker FTM 2006

what is best for MAC

any one using OS 10.xx?

thanks

Hugh Watkins <[email protected]


Reunion from <http://www.leisterpro.com/> is an excellent
program that I have used for many years. I'm currently
running it on my G4 PowerBook running OS 10.4.7. They have
versions that will run on earlier operating systems as well.





--

new computer = new blog
http://mac-on-intel.blogspot.com/

daily blogs with new photos
http://snaps2006.blogspot.com/
http://slim2005.blogspot.com/

family history
http://hughw36.blogspot.com

GAM

Re: PAF to PDF

Legg inn av GAM » 16. juli 2006 kl. 1.31

"Susie Zada" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Hello whoever,

I accidentally hit REPLY instead of REPLY GROUP - rather silly seeing as
anonymous has an invalid email address.

The only reason I'm bothering to repeat the information here is for the
benefit of others as this question seems to come up more regularly
recently
........

All you need to do is open the PAF chart in Acrobat Reader.

Click on the Camera Icon (Snapshot Tool) or select it from the Menu Bar
(Tools).

Select the area you want to capture (click and drag mouse) and it will
then
say "The selected are has been copied to the clipboard.

Then either:

a. If Broderbund Scrapbook Designer allows you to Paste - do so.
or
b. Paste it into your image / photo software (Photo Impression) as a new
image then save as a .jpg or .tif file.

Regards ......... Susie Z



Susie

I tried and it works! Many, many thanks now I can proceed with my
Scrapbook.

Gordon Morley (alias whoever).

Dennis Lee Bieber

Re: PDF to JPEG

Legg inn av Dennis Lee Bieber » 16. juli 2006 kl. 4.44

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:18:16 -0400, "GAM" <q> declaimed the following in
soc.genealogy.computing:

I have printed the PDF chart and scanned it using a flat bed scanner
outputting it in JPEG which leads to less than optimum results. I have also

1) scanned at what resolution?
2) if you can, avoid going through JPEG format.

1 For a line drawing in primary colors the scan should be at 1:1 with
the output device resolution (or some good compromise thereof). The
reasoning is that the printer can, say, put out precise fine lines at
600/720/1200/1440 (depending on model) DPI, so a scan at that resolution
(I'd pick 600/720 -- going higher is overkill) will reproduce with close
to the original sharpness. Scanning at 150/300 DPI will result in each
cell (dot) having a chance of being a mix of ink and paper -- said mix
then registers as some value of grey, and then when you print, the
printer has to use an array of black/white dots to fake the grey.

Photos are used at a resolution of 300 because the printer hardware
doesn't have the resolution to support higher (note: I'm talking 4-color
industrial printing here -- newer 6+ color photo printers have more
flexibility). Using just pure B and W, and the common 256 levels of
discernable grey, requires the printer to use a 16x16 matrix. This is
the equivalent of the half-tone cell. Standard printing uses and image
(in pixels per inch) of 2-times the line screen (half-tone cells in
"lines per inch"). A 300PPI image implies a 150LPI production. I you
need 16 printer dots to make a single "line", you are looking at a
printer that can produce 2400 dots per inch


2 JPEG is a format designed to compress photographs (Joint
Photographics Expert Group). The technique attempts to maintain color
space at the expense of details. One black dot in the middle of a white
area will come out as a sort of speckled freckle, as the equation terms
that controlled the sharp transition from white to black have been
removed -- you instead have an equation that goes white to black through
"bounces" of intermediate greys.

If your scanner can save in TIFF, you might as well use that
format... Heck... use it, or some other uncompressed format (note: GIF
is also a compressed format -- it keeps detail by limiting the color
space to 256 distinct colors) for all work. ONLY go to JPEG for a COPY
to be transmitted to someone for review. Even for photos it is best to
do all editing in TIFF or other, save the TIFF, then convert to JPEG for
routine viewing.

tried using the screen capture facility in Photo Impression which leads to
readable but again less than satisfactory results.

No surprise -- again you are looking at a printout that might have

600DPI resolution, vs a screen that is <100DPI (To show a 600DPI
printout of a 8.5x11 page at full resolution requires a monitor window
of 5100x6600 pixels -- my high-res monitor could only show 1/4 of the
detail).

Would like to hear of experience of others how they have approached this
problem, especially if they have had postive results with any low-cost
software.

No help here... My "low-cost" software was Photoshop (3) LE, over a

decade ago... and I eventually paid the $250 to upgrade the LE to PS4
full, and have since made four additional upgrades (at $150 each)
through v5, 5.5, 7, and now Photoshop CS.

I mention this as Photoshop, at least since 5.5 if not earlier, and
Illustrator of the same time period, do have the ability to load (and
save) PDF pages. You could load that PDF chart and save it as some other
format.

--
bieber.genealogy Dennis Lee Bieber
HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

Peter

Re: PDF to JPEG

Legg inn av Peter » 16. juli 2006 kl. 9.48

"GAM" <q> wrote:
I am putting together a scrapbook using Broderbund Scrapbook Designer. I
wish to include some PAF charts, which are in PDF format. The Scrapbook
seems to accepts only JPEG or TIF files.

I have used the pdfimages tool to extract images from pdf files.
http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/
It works quite well, dumps all the images as files in the current directory.
Very handy.

HTH

Peter

J. Hugh Sullivan

Re: A Totally New Software

Legg inn av J. Hugh Sullivan » 16. juli 2006 kl. 13.24

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 03:17:52 GMT, [email protected] wrote:


Since I know that there are software developers here I pose the
following question.

First, I am not a programmer, but I do know something about the field.

I suspect you are a farmer and out standing in your field.

Have any of you considered starting from scratch and creating a
program that would not only allow user input, but also interface
directly as a front end for Rootsweb, Heritage Quest and Ancestry.com
and The Mormon Databases and allow cature of their pages and or data,
Optical Character Recognition where necessary and automatic sourcing
when capturing said document or data. Also full cut and paste
capability and the ability to add ADDINS or new modules as wanted.

Permit me a few other comments...

To me, there is no bigger pain in the ass

I suspect a pain there would make you hurt all over!

than:

1. The half assed

May I suggest half-fast.

interfaces most current products have for graphics
images ,et......

2. Having to retype searched data. And working with most of the piss
poor

PC people demand the use of urine challenged.

source sections your products have.

Also, have any of you gotten the balls

In the interest of sexual equality I suggest reproductive appendages.

yet to abandon the GEDCOM

Format and instead provide an IMPORT Mask for data that the user can
maniputate the fields on so import could be achieved from any current
product instead of the conflicts the current import screens provide.

Also, if you had the guts to create this new product, which Version of
Windows would you write it for. Or would you have the guts and
knowledge to write a version that could be used in either Windows
or Linux.

Adding Linux is a good idea - wouldn't want to miss a sale to two
people.

Windows or Linux?? Do you also have transsexual ancestors?

Just curious.

Just enjoying life.

Hugh

Dave Hinz

Re: A Totally New Software

Legg inn av Dave Hinz » 16. juli 2006 kl. 13.29

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 03:17:52 GMT, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
Since I know that there are software developers here I pose the
following question.
First, I am not a programmer, but I do know something about the field.

Sorry, but the email address and tone makes this look/smell like a
troll. I'll pass. Could have made for an interesting topic but your
approach makes me not interested in stating some obvious points.

Just curious.

If you say so.

Kerry Raymond

Re: A Totally New Software

Legg inn av Kerry Raymond » 16. juli 2006 kl. 15.50

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Since I know that there are software developers here I pose the
following question.

First, I am not a programmer, but I do know something about the field.

Have any of you considered starting from scratch and creating a
program that would ...

It's not so much a programming question. Many of the things you mention
could be done.

It's a business question. How many people would buy it and how much would
they be prepared to pay? And would that be sufficient to cover the
development and support costs?

Most software (like any other product) is built to meet most of the common
needs of most of the people. Software built to meet the specific
requirements of a few must be priced accordingly.

Kerry

mickg

Re: A Totally New Software

Legg inn av mickg » 16. juli 2006 kl. 19.17

[email protected] wrote:
Since I know that there are software developers here I pose the
following question.

First, I am not a programmer,
Obviously


but I do know something about the field.
Not at all obvious

Just curious.

First if a potential customer approached me in the tone you used I would
start by suggesting you go and try one person procreation.

With a superior requirements spec such a product could be developed in
Java which is cross platform once the requisite environment is installed
but would it sell?

If you are prepared to guarantee all development costs and compensation
for the time expended. I'm sure a team could be put together to develop
such a tool. (A.K.A.: Put your money where your filthy mouth is!).

MickG

Joe User

Re: A Totally New Software

Legg inn av Joe User » 16. juli 2006 kl. 20.44

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 03:17:52 +0000, fakeemail wrote:

Since I know that there are software developers here I pose the following
question.

First, I am not a programmer, but I do know something about the field.

Have any of you considered starting from scratch and creating a program
that would not only allow user input, but also interface directly as a
front end for Rootsweb, Heritage Quest and Ancestry.com and The Mormon
Databases and allow cature of their pages and or data, Optical Character
Recognition where necessary and automatic sourcing when capturing said
document or data. Also full cut and paste capability and the ability to
add ADDINS or new modules as wanted.

To me, there is no bigger pain in the ass than:

1. The half assed interfaces most current products have for graphics
images ,et......

2. Having to retype searched data. And working with most of the piss poor
source sections your products have.

Also, have any of you gotten the balls yet to abandon the GEDCOM Format
and instead provide an IMPORT Mask for data that the user can maniputate
the fields on so import could be achieved from any current product instead
of the conflicts the current import screens provide.

Also, if you had the guts to create this new product, which Version of
Windows would you write it for. Or would you have the guts and knowledge
to write a version that could be used in either Windows or Linux.

What does having guts and balls have to do with programming?

There is an open-sourced program called gramps. Go make a copy of it, and
start modifing it just the way you want it to be. That'll show all those
gutless people!

Apparantly, some people have ported gramps to Windows. Help them.

Then, take all of the great work you did, and give it to the maintainers
for inclusion in their software, if anyone likes it. If they don't want
your ground-breaking enhancements, create a new project and release your
superior product. You can either release your great work as an add-on to
gramps or include all of the currently-working gramps software in your
project.

There you go. Problem solved, and solved by you, the person with the
better idea. Good luck.

OR, you could choose each of the complaints you make, one at a time, and
fix it in gramps. After you address all of your complaints, there you go.
You have a solution to all of your complaints.

OR, just start from scratch and write your own software. Good luck.

--
Usenet is a fantastically complex and expensive
network of interconnected computers in which trillions
of bytes of information flow, managed by an enormous army of
system administrators, allowing people of all walks of
life and from every part of the world to come together,
and call each other rude names.

-- Artemia Salina

Steve Hayes

Re: A Totally New Software

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 16. juli 2006 kl. 23.39

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 03:17:52 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

Since I know that there are software developers here I pose the
following question.

First, I am not a programmer, but I do know something about the field.

Have any of you considered starting from scratch and creating a
program that would not only allow user input, but also interface
directly as a front end for Rootsweb, Heritage Quest and Ancestry.com
and The Mormon Databases and allow cature of their pages and or data,
Optical Character Recognition where necessary and automatic sourcing
when capturing said document or data. Also full cut and paste
capability and the ability to add ADDINS or new modules as wanted.

Changes or disappearance of those sites would render such a program obsolete.

Rather build a stand-alone program that can import data from other places.
To me, there is no bigger pain in the ass than:

1. The half assed interfaces most current products have for graphics
images ,et......

2. Having to retype searched data. And working with most of the piss
poor source sections your products have.

Also, have any of you gotten the balls yet to abandon the GEDCOM
Format and instead provide an IMPORT Mask for data that the user can
maniputate the fields on so import could be achieved from any current
product instead of the conflicts the current import screens provide.

But what about future products?

Again, such a program would quickly become obsolete.

Also, if you had the guts to create this new product, which Version of
Windows would you write it for. Or would you have the guts and
knowledge to write a version that could be used in either Windows
or Linux.

Better to follow the Unix system, at least to some extent, of using a lot of
small programs, each of which does one thing well, rather than one humungous
program that tries to do everything and does it badly.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://people.tribe.net/hayesstw
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Nigel Bufton

Re: Find anyone you're looking for

Legg inn av Nigel Bufton » 17. juli 2006 kl. 12.01

This belongs in soc.genealogy.marketplace.

soc.genealogy.computing is a discussion group, not a billboard.


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Steve Hayes

Re: Blank BMD Templates (UK)

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 22. juli 2006 kl. 4.03

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:21:03 +0100, Creighton Ward <[email protected]>
wrote:

Does anyone know where I can download blank templates for birth,
marriage and death certificates? I would like to 'transcribe' my
collection into a more 'readable' format as some of them are poor
handwriting. TIA.

There's a program called Custodian that allows you to enter them.


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: [email protected] (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://people.tribe.net/hayesstw
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Robert G. Eldridge

Re: How to transfer from EXCEL to GEDCOM

Legg inn av Robert G. Eldridge » 1. august 2006 kl. 9.05

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:25:05 +1000, Ron <[email protected]> wrote:

Robert G. Eldridge wrote:


Graham, are you by chance posting HTML emails to Rootsweb?

I ask as it seems a possibility as to why your emails to Rootsweb
(that in turn get gatewayed to the soc.genealogy.computing newsgroup)
do not wrap at the usual 76 or so characters.

Graham's post seemed perfectly ok to me
using Thunderbird

But is it wrapping to your window size or wrapping at 76 or so
characters.

I can get it to wrap using Agent if I turn on Word Wrap in the View
menu but I normally have it turned off as almost all posts wrap at the
conventional 76 or so characters.

I still suspect the issue is HTML emails which unfortunately is the
default in Outlook Express and if Rootsweb have a dodgy converter it
should be fixed.

ps
I don't expect posts to be emailed to me as well.

--
Bob

Graham Ward

Re: How to transfer from EXCEL to GEDCOM

Legg inn av Graham Ward » 1. august 2006 kl. 19.32

Anyone else have a problem? They are plain text from here.

Graham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: How to transfer from EXCEL to GEDCOM


Robert G. Eldridge wrote:


Graham, are you by chance posting HTML emails to Rootsweb?

I ask as it seems a possibility as to why your emails to Rootsweb
(that in turn get gatewayed to the soc.genealogy.computing newsgroup)
do not wrap at the usual 76 or so characters.

Graham's post seemed perfectly ok to me
using Thunderbird
--
Ron Lankshear - Sydney Aust (from London- Shepherds Bush & Chiswick)
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/

Robert G. Eldridge

Re: How to transfer from EXCEL to GEDCOM

Legg inn av Robert G. Eldridge » 2. august 2006 kl. 2.00

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:31:39 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("Graham
Ward") wrote:

Anyone else have a problem? They are plain text from here.

Graham

Umm, Interesting.

The headers on your post of 31 July show:

Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"

And the headers on your post of 1 Aug show:

Content-Type: text/plain;
format=flowed;
charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

So some how the headers have varied from one to the other.
I still suspect gremlins in the Rootsweb processing.

--
Bob

Mark

Re: How to transfer from EXCEL to GEDCOM

Legg inn av Mark » 2. august 2006 kl. 2.54

Just on the one post... the rest look fine. I would agree Robert...
the gremlins stole part of the header. Of course this is a side track
from the original question...

Mark
http://www.nicholasfamilyhistory.com

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:31:39 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("Graham
Ward") wrote:

Anyone else have a problem? They are plain text from here.

Graham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <[email protected]
To: <[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: How to transfer from EXCEL to GEDCOM


Robert G. Eldridge wrote:


Graham, are you by chance posting HTML emails to Rootsweb?

I ask as it seems a possibility as to why your emails to Rootsweb
(that in turn get gatewayed to the soc.genealogy.computing newsgroup)
do not wrap at the usual 76 or so characters.

Graham's post seemed perfectly ok to me
using Thunderbird
--
Ron Lankshear - Sydney Aust (from London- Shepherds Bush & Chiswick)
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/

Jeff

Re: Please help *PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST*

Legg inn av Jeff » 15. august 2006 kl. 0.24

Alan Holmes wrote:
As I've already said, it's a scam!


Most of us had worked that out!!! and we had blocked the sender. But you
reposted ALL of his original message.

Jeff

Re: Please help *PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST*

Legg inn av Jeff » 15. august 2006 kl. 0.24

Twice!!!!

Maloney Empire

Re: Please help *PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST*

Legg inn av Maloney Empire » 15. august 2006 kl. 15.03

Hi Alan,

Just block them and please don't repeat their full email - a subject heading
is sufficient.
Thanks for the warning.
Regards,
--
Di Maloney
Please remove 1 from email address to reply direct.
"Alan Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| As I've already said, it's a scam!

SNIP rubbish

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