Synnev Helgesdatter og Jørgen Herbrandsen Rustand

[gj23002]

Synnev Helgesdatter and Jørgen Herbrandsen Rustand were married 21 Oct 1806, in Nes, Hallingdal (p 361, #44 Ministerialbok). Two of their daughters are my ancestors (Kari, 1809; and Sunnef, 1814), but I can't find other records of them to figure out their parents/siblings.

The 1801 census doesn't show them living on the Rustan farm. It has Ole Helgesen and Bergit Herbransdatter living there. Ole and Bergit were cousins, and had to get the King's permission to marry.

The confirmation records in 1794 have a Margit Helgesdatter Rustan, who may be the person who married Finger Danielsen Smedsgaard. In 1799 There's an Ole Helgesen Rustan, who might be her brother. These siblings might be the children of Helge Amundsen Lie and Astri Andresdatter Schiong. So perhaps Synnev Helgesdatter is a younger sibling?

Are Jørgen Herbrandsen Rustand and Bergit Herbransdatter related? There's a Jørgen Herbransen that shows up in the 1801 census as the son of Herbran Andersen (Brenno) and Margit Olsdatter.

Thanks,
Gerda Shank
Ithaca, NY

[gj04741]

Hi,
A lot of questions…

Here are some facts… However, I have not had time to analyse the materiat and establish any family connections.

I will suggest that you lend the bygdebok of Nes: Gards- og slektshistorie for Nes i Hallingdal volume 1-3 …or hopfully someone here on the forum shows up here have them and can look these famies up for you.

I have not found marriage or children regarding Helge Amundsen and Astri Andersdatter while searching FS (familysearch.org)

The confirmation record of Margit Helgesdatter Rustan, age 16 (born abt 1778) #27
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1787-1807), Konfirmerte 1794, Ekteviede 1794, side 124-125.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3050&idx_id=3050&uid=ny&idx_side=-67

The Margit at Fingar Danielsen, Smedsgaard, that you mention in the 1801 census,
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058271000517

Marriage of Fingar Danielsen and Margit Helgesdatter, Nes, Buskerud, #31
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1787-1807), Ekteviede 1800, side 232-233.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3050&idx_id=3050&uid=ny&idx_side=-120

Children of Margit and Fingar:

Daniel baptized 10th of April 1808, Nes, Buskerud, #72 (same day as Ole og Bergit`s daughter Kari)
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1808-1814), Fødte og døpte 1808, side 8-9.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3051&idx_id=3051&uid=ny&idx_side=-7

Helge, Nes, Buskerud, #100
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1808-1814), Fødte og døpte 1811, side 118-119.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3051&idx_id=3051&uid=ny&idx_side=-63


Marriage [url]Jørgen Herbrandsen Rustan and Synnev Helgesdatter[/url] 21st of October 1806, #44

Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1787-1807), Ekteviede 1806, Døde og begravede 1806, side 360-361.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3050&idx_id=3050&uid=ny&idx_side=-184

Two possible candidates for Jørgen in 1801:

Jørgen Herbransen, Ejdal, born abt 1777
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058271000341

Jørgen Herbransen, Rotnem, born abt 1784
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058271003087


Familytrees found on FS (familysearch.org)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:9HJP-13H

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:9HJP-14C

They states that Synnevs parents are Helge Olsen Brenno and Synnev Olsdatter


Rustan farm 1801 census,
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058271001681
Ole Helgesen, born abt 1763
Bergit Herbransdatter, born abt 1778 (Ole´s second wife, her first marriage)
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Guri Herbransdatter, born abt 1783 (could be Bergit`s sister)

Children of Ole and Bergit:

Helge, #90
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1787-1807), Fødte og døpte 1800, side 220-221.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3050&idx_id=3050&uid=ny&idx_side=-114

The priest writing is a little bit easy to transcribe, but remember that the witnesses are usually close family and friends and thus very helpful in order to figure out if they are related to your relatives or not.

Found by search at FS (familysearch.org)...

Herbrand, baptized 20th of June 1802, Nes, Buskerud, #68
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1787-1807), Fødte og døpte 1802, side 264-265.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3050&idx_id=3050&uid=ny&idx_side=-136

Synnev, baptized 20th of December 1804, Nes Buskerud, #10
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1787-1807), Fødte og døpte 1805, side 324-325.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3050&idx_id=3050&uid=ny&idx_side=-166

Guri, baptized 18th of January 1807, Nes, Buskerud, #32
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1787-1807), Fødte og døpte 1807, side 366-367.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3050&idx_id=3050&uid=ny&idx_side=-187

Kari, baptized 10th of April 1808, Nes, Buskerud, #73
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1808-1814), Fødte og døpte 1808, side 8-9.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3051&idx_id=3051&uid=ny&idx_side=-7

Guri, baptized 17th of February 1811, Nes, Buskerud, #43
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1808-1814), Fødte og døpte 1811, side 108-109.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3051&idx_id=3051&uid=ny&idx_side=-58

Ingeborg, baptized 9th of February 1814, Nes, Buskerud, #38
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1808-1814), Fødte og døpte 1814, side 206-207.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3051&idx_id=3051&uid=ny&idx_side=-107


Could be the marriage of Ole and Bergit, #21 – the bride is named Ingeborg but her first name looks like it`s crossed out
Buskerud fylke, Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1787-1807), Ekteviede 1799, side 210-211.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3050&idx_id=3050&uid=ny&idx_side=-109

[gj23002]

Thank you very much for the pointers to the family trees. I hadn't found those before. It would be nice to know how that information was put together.

I'd love to be able to look at the bygdeboks, but I'm not sure where to find them here.

Thanks,
Gerda

[gj23002]

The family trees were correct in having Helge Olsen Brenno and Synnev Olsdtr as the parents of both Ole Helgesen and Synnev Helgesdatter (siblings 22 years apart). However it looks like Jorgen Herbrandsen was the brother of Bergit Herbrandsdtr and they were both the children of Herbrand Biornsen Tollefsrud in Flaa (1716 - 1797) and Kari Jorgensdatter (b 1753). So Ole's sister Synnev married his wife's brother Jorgen. The correct Jorgen Herbransen was living on the Ejdal gard in 1801, and before that was probably on Nordhagen (according to the confirmation records). His father died in 1797, in Flaa. It looks like after that his mother moved to various farms in Nes. She was probably related to some of these families (because her daughter Bergit was related to Ole Helgesen), but I haven't figured that out yet.