Anton Jorgensen -Rotvik- born 1838

[dn27479]

I notice that some of the children have a mark by their name, and others do not. My great great grandfather does (#23 at the top of the page). Can you tell me what the marks are? Thank you. www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?urnread_imagesize=medium&info=ingen&hode=nei&show=15&uid=69803&js=j

[Harald Lorentz Bakke]

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[dn27479]

Trying again. Thank you. www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9661&uid=ny&idx_side=-13


My great great grandfather is #23

[Gry Onarheim Dahlmo]

Link to no 23, page 16:

Kildeinformasjon: Troms fylke, Ibestad, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1837-1850), Fødte og døpte 1838, side 16.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-15

I think this marks mean that the person has got a certificate if he moved out of the parish?

[Harald Lorentz Bakke]

Are you sure nr. 23 is your greatgrandfather ?

I think usually this cross marks people who died as child. (Some pastors marks that like this)
I see there are a lot of them in that period (too many ???) - and other periods not mutch of them, but that can include a epidemy as there was a lot of from time to time.
Perhaps it's an older brother to your ggrandfater with same name?
It was common to give a new child the same name if they lost an older child.

Another possibility is anybody have registered baptism and have marks those they have registered...

When I get time to do it I can see more at this, but just now I'm a litle busy.
I will write back.

- Harald.

[Harald Lorentz Bakke]

Link to no 23, page 16:

Kildeinformasjon: Troms fylke, Ibestad, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1837-1850), Fødte og døpte 1838, side 16.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-15

I think this marks mean that the person has got a certificate if he moved out of the parish?

Yes that's perhaps a good ide.

[dn27479]

Thank you for taking a look. I am not in a hurry.

Anton was my great-great-grandfather. The family was at Rotvik for several generations. Anton married Berthe Pedersen from Sogn. Their son Peder Ansgar Antonsen, took the the name Peter Rotvik. He was a photographer. Some of the portraits he took in the area are in museum archives in Norway. Many of his portraits were of Sami people. Peter married Benedickte Johanna Kornelia Hanssen (Karlsdatter) from Ibestad. They had one child, Arne, before emigrating to the U.S. They came into New York by way of England, tried to farm in South Dakota (an impossibility as parts of South Dakota are desert-like) and then settled in Duluth, MN.

The x's in the book occurred for just a few years. Benedickte's father, Karl Hansen, Ibestad, 1843, page 64, #30, also has this mark. He never moved from the parish.

One theory is that they were counting people known to be Sami or mixed ethnicity for a later census that wanted numbers, but not names. These number census began around 1850 (+/-).

I hope this information helps in solving this puzzle.

[Åse Kvitle Kristiansen]

I have had a look at those pages in the church records to see if there was a system in these crosses, but I couldn't find any. On one page only boys had a + in front of their names, on the next page boys had + in front and an x after, girls just had an x after their names. Comparing names with the register for Astafjord bygdebok I found that + didn't mean the child died, children who died at a young age had that +, but so did also those who lived for many years.

Before data, copying and microphotos the writers of bygdebooks (and genealogists) visited the archives where they searched the original books and took notes. Some of them might have marked the names so that they didn't take double notes. I've even seen additional names that they wrote in the church records. The most common thing to do was to underline the name they had found.

This marking of names in Ibestad church records has nothing to do with ethnic groups as both Norwegians, Sami and Qven people were marked.

By the way, I once made an Ahnentafel for the Rotvik-family, Anton Jørgensens forefathers and descendants, and sent it to Rev.Roger Rotvik, Duluth. Unfortunately I don't have a copy myself any more. I remember finding some info on the photographer at Sjøvegan.

[dn27479]

Tak ska du ha! I am very appreciative of the time you gave to look over the church registers. If there is not a pattern, then it must have been marks made by others researching the books.

I am in contact with a third cousin who says that Roger Rotvik gave her a copy of the family genealogy. Perhaps she is referring to the document that you created. I will ask. She said that she was going to send a digital copy once she is done with winter preparations. I will post again if I have questions after receiving the document.

Best Regards.