Get Ready for Family Tree Maker 2005

[Robert Ragan]

You can publish your family tree on the Internet: Share your findings
with others. A home page wizard makes the process easy - just choose
which individuals you want to include and the page will be created in
minutes.

You can't go wrong with the Family Tree Maker genealogy software. If
you already have an older version of FTM, you will want to upgrade to
Family Tree Maker 2005 and take advantage of the recent upgrades.

See: Family Tree Maker 2005--
http://amberskyline.com/treasuremaps/fa ... maker.html

Here are some of the features and benefits of Family Tree Maker 2005
(FTM 2005):

There are several different ways to look at your genealogy data with
the Family Tree Maker program.

Including:

-Pedigree View: Which allows you to quickly and easily navigate your
family tree. You can view up to seven generations. When you navigate
to other generations in your family tree, there is animation that
helps you see how the tree is changing so you won't get lost.

-Family View: This makes it easy to enter and view information about a
single family unit. You can easily add more details and notes about an
individual or a marriage, photographs or other images, additional
spouses or other family members, and sources of your information.

-Storage of Countless Facts: You can store an unlimited number of
facts for every individual in your Family File. There are fact
categories (like births, deaths, marriages, emigration, etc.) so it's
simple to use.

-Multimedia Scrapbook: Every person in your Family File can have his
or her own digital Scrapbook. You can also store and display almost
any type of information - including sound, video, and text files -
along with a wide variety of graphic formats.

-View Two Family Files Simultaneously: You can view, compare, and edit
Family Files side-by-side. You can check for similarities and
differences between your files and ones you receive from family
members or other genealogy researchers.

Easy to use search features - Including:

-One-Click Searching: To find leads on your ancestors. Family Tree
Maker's Web search feature will automatically search their
genealogical databases for more information on the people in your
tree, and will rank the results to easily identify the ones that are
most likely to be your ancestors. The FTM Web Search Report makes it
easy to compare the information found online with the people in your
tree, so you can quickly determine which information is relevant to
you.

-Web Merge Process: Merging and appending data from the Web has never
been easier. Now Family Tree Maker takes the guesswork out of merging.
An easy to use wizard guides you through the incorporation of each new
record you find. You can either accept Family Tree Maker's
recommendations and add the new data in one step, or you can use the
wizard to help you. None of your existing information will be
overwritten.

This will SAVE TIME! One of the most difficult tasks of family
historians is finding the time to research and learn more about their
family trees. Family Tree Maker 2005 can save you valuable time and
makes searching for and finding ancestors easier than ever. Once you
begin entering family names and building your tree, and as long as
you're connected to the Internet, Family Tree Maker is working for
you.

Family Tree Maker 2005 has:

-Customized Charts and Reports: Will let you showcase your family
history with your own personal touches. You can choose from a variety
of professionally designed templates, add memorable photos, fonts, and
box and border styles. You can even create multimedia trees complete
with audio and video clips.

-Countless Heirloom-Quality Printouts: Allow you to display your
family history with Family Tree Maker's wide selection of attractive
trees, reports, maps, and more - from personal keepsakes to beautiful
heirloom-quality printouts.

-All-in-One Tree: The All-in-One tree allows you to display every
member of your Family File in one continuous tree. You can create one
for your next family reunion - your family and friends will be
delighted.

-Maps and Timelines: You can trace your family's journey through time
and across continents. Maps display the various location in which your
ancestors lived, while Timelines display your ancestors against the
historic milestones that helped shape their lives - and yours.

-Family Books: Family Tree Maker lets you combine your favorite
printouts into a book, then automatically generates a Table of
Contents, Index, and more. Print a keepsake copy for a loved one or
publish it on your own personal Home Page to share with everyone.

-Professionally Designed Templates: Take advantage of professional
artwork to help you create beautiful family trees for gifts or
display.
FTM 2005 makes it easy to share your genealogy information with
others.

Read more about Family Tree Maker 2005 at--
http://amberskyline.com/treasuremaps/fa ... maker.html

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By Robert Ragan, Publisher:

-Genealogy Facts & Family Tree Search Tips Blog
http://genealogy-facts.com/blog

-Treasure Maps How to Genealogy Site
http://amberskyline.com/treasuremaps/

[Dave Hinz]

On 3 Dec 2004 13:15:15 -0800, Robert Ragan <[email protected]> wrote:

You can publish your family tree on the Internet: Share your findings
with others. A home page wizard makes the process easy - just choose
which individuals you want to include and the page will be created in
minutes.

You can get reported to your ISP, and to FTM's associate program as
a spammer! Yes, it's true. Just do what this guy is doing, and you
get free spam reports delivered directly to your service provider.

Unbelievable.

[Robert Ragan]

Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

On 3 Dec 2004 13:15:15 -0800, Robert Ragan <[email protected]> wrote:
You can publish your family tree on the Internet: Share your findings
with others. A home page wizard makes the process easy - just choose
which individuals you want to include and the page will be created in
minutes.

You can get reported to your ISP, and to FTM's associate program as
a spammer! Yes, it's true. Just do what this guy is doing, and you
get free spam reports delivered directly to your service provider.

Unbelievable.

Dave,

By your "spamcop" address I see that you have self-appointed
spam-police issues, or whatever. Build a bridge and get over it.

I publish a genealogy newsletter and have people asking about
genealogy software all day long. I decided to post it when I saw a
previous post about the common question, "Which is the best genealogy
software."

We're almost into 2005 and here an informative article about FTM 2005
with features and benefits--features that should be used responsibly.
I don't see a problem with it. Note: I'm not saying Family Tree Maker
2005 is the best, but it should be considered.

Robert

[Lesley Robertson]

"Robert Ragan" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...

We're almost into 2005 and here an informative article about FTM 2005
with features and benefits--features that should be used responsibly.
I don't see a problem with it. Note: I'm not saying Family Tree Maker
2005 is the best, but it should be considered.

Robert

I'm not against FTM, indeed I use it. Your article reads like a direct
advert from FTM. The place for advertising is soc.genealogy.marketplace.
Lesley Robertson

[Dave Hinz]

On 3 Dec 2004 22:08:42 -0800, Robert Ragan <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

Dave,

By your "spamcop" address I see that you have self-appointed
spam-police issues, or whatever. Build a bridge and get over it.

Actually, if you bothered to do any research at all, you'd see that it's
a subscription-based email filtering service. They clean my inbox for
40 bucks a year.

I publish a genealogy newsletter and have people asking about
genealogy software all day long. I decided to post it when I saw a
previous post about the common question, "Which is the best genealogy
software."

So you posted your commercial, yes, we know.

We're almost into 2005 and here an informative article about FTM 2005
with features and benefits--features that should be used responsibly.
I don't see a problem with it. Note: I'm not saying Family Tree Maker
2005 is the best, but it should be considered.

The appropriate place for your advertisement is in the .marketplace group,
not in the discussion groups. Saying "Hey, this program does this, that,
and that" is reasonable, saying "and click here now, and we'll include..."
is not.

Usenet discussion groups are not here as free marketing recepticles
for you to exploit.

Dave Hinz

[Robert Ragan]

Hmmm..

I'm very aware of what the SpamCop service is. I was referring to
people who think it is their job to be the "Internet police" and go
around obsessing about it. The fact that you have a spamcop e-mail
address (with all the other choices out there) makes me think that you
have spam issues.

Then I make a post and you snipe right in--"This guy is a spammer."
Pleased to meet you, too, Dave. My named is Robert."

So you posted your commercial, yes, we know.

It was easier to post an article that I already had created than to
start fresh and say, "FTM does this and that." Please note that had
YOU done some research (my links were in my post) you would know that
I was not some guy hiding in the shadows posting willy-nilly on all
the forums. I've been publishing my genealogy newsletter since 1995
and have helped thousands (millions if you count the DearMYRTLE
Internet genealogy radio shows).

However Dave, as I was reading through posts--with the urge to wring
your smart-aleck neck--I saw that you post a lot...and that you help
people a lot. So I've got to give props to you. Just lighten up.

For the group: Since the features and benefits of FTM 2005 were
listed, it would be nice to hear feedback about that and your personal
experiences with the software. Because that is the topic this thread
is supposed to be about.


Robert Ragan


-Genealogy Facts & Family Tree Search Tips Blog
http://genealogy-facts.com/blog

-Treasure Maps How to Genealogy Site
http://amberskyline.com/treasuremaps/

[Robert Heiling]

Robert Ragan wrote:

snip> For the group: Since the features and benefits of FTM 2005 were

listed, it would be nice to hear feedback about that and your personal
experiences with the software. Because that is the topic this thread
is supposed to be about.

No. When spammers post, the topic is automatically about spam by default.

You earlier pleaded that: "I decided to post it when I saw a previous post
about the common question, "Which is the best genealogy software."" That
is a currently ongoing thread and it would have been proper to respond on
*that* thread if you had something to say. However, that would not have
given you the chance to create this new advertising subject header. What a
lame excuse!

Now for those out there who wonder what motivates a spammer like this one
and others, read: http://www.genealogy.com/aff-info.html

Then take a look at his website and the ordering link for FTM 2005. If you
let your mouse-cursor hover over the link, you will see:
http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click etc. Does that sound strange for a
link that will take you to FTM? like mine here does:
http://familytreemaker.com/default.aspx. The reason for that is that Bfast
http://www.cj.com/solutions/adv_bfast.jsp handles all of the work for FTM
in notifying them who should get a commission if a sale is completed. Your
browser will pass all of the information needed to that website by using
cookies and he would get a commission 2 days or a week later if the
cookies were still there. That's why he wants you to go to his website and
use his link instead of another - to get a cookie for him onto your
computer!

That's why it's always a good idea to order anything directly from a
vendor's website and to delete all cookies in your browser beforehand!
Let's remove the spammers' incentive to spam!

Bob

[Hugh Watkins]

"Robert Ragan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hmmm..

I'm very aware of what the SpamCop service is. I was referring to
people who think it is their job to be the "Internet police" and go
around obsessing about it. The fact that you have a spamcop e-mail
address (with all the other choices out there) makes me think that you
have spam issues.

Then I make a post and you snipe right in--"This guy is a spammer."
Pleased to meet you, too, Dave. My named is Robert."

snip

but you are spamming because you included commercial links in your boring
little article

these groups are moderated peer to peer with exclusion as the ultimate
sanction

otherwise they become a useless soup of all topics
your header
X-Complaints-To: [email protected]

shows you are using the web interface, which is very wasteful of your time,
and bandwidth too.
not a "proper" news reader - which implies you are a newbie in here

each group has a charter which liists what is acceptable just google
netequette and newsgroups for more.

groups.google.com does a tremendous job as an archive - they have my stuff
back to 1996 or so
and other peoples to the birth of usenet when university computers used dial
ups to transfer messages to each other log predating www

but putting a small amount of commercial stuff in a signature is OK

Hugh W


--
My Blogs

GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/

Exploring Rootsweb http://rootsweb.blogspot.com/
Exploring Ancestry dot com and co uk http://ancestry.blogspot.com/

Getting to know AOL http://aoldotcom.blogspot.com/

Viking http://jorvik.blogspot.com/
1805 http://1805ad.blogspot.com/

Memories http://biog.blogspot.com/
Hugh's Review of Reviews http://hror.blogspot.com/
Hugh's Bloog http://moc-topsgolb.blogspot.com/

[Nick Spalding]

Robert Heiling wrote, in <[email protected]>:

Robert Ragan wrote:

snip> For the group: Since the features and benefits of FTM 2005 were

listed, it would be nice to hear feedback about that and your personal
experiences with the software. Because that is the topic this thread
is supposed to be about.

No. When spammers post, the topic is automatically about spam by default.

You earlier pleaded that: "I decided to post it when I saw a previous post
about the common question, "Which is the best genealogy software."" That
is a currently ongoing thread and it would have been proper to respond on
*that* thread if you had something to say. However, that would not have
given you the chance to create this new advertising subject header. What a
lame excuse!

Now for those out there who wonder what motivates a spammer like this one
and others, read: http://www.genealogy.com/aff-info.html

Then take a look at his website and the ordering link for FTM 2005. If you
let your mouse-cursor hover over the link, you will see:
http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click etc. Does that sound strange for a
link that will take you to FTM? like mine here does:
http://familytreemaker.com/default.aspx. The reason for that is that Bfast
http://www.cj.com/solutions/adv_bfast.jsp handles all of the work for FTM
in notifying them who should get a commission if a sale is completed. Your
browser will pass all of the information needed to that website by using
cookies and he would get a commission 2 days or a week later if the
cookies were still there. That's why he wants you to go to his website and
use his link instead of another - to get a cookie for him onto your
computer!

That's why it's always a good idea to order anything directly from a
vendor's website and to delete all cookies in your browser beforehand!
Let's remove the spammers' incentive to spam!

Excellent research and advice. It takes one Robert to nail another!
--
Nick Spalding

[Dave Hinz]

On 4 Dec 2004 10:40:35 -0800, Robert Ragan <[email protected]> wrote:

Hmmm..

I'm very aware of what the SpamCop service is.

Funny, it looked like you were making an assumption based on wrong
guesses. And now it looks like a backpedal.

I was referring to
people who think it is their job to be the "Internet police" and go
around obsessing about it. The fact that you have a spamcop e-mail
address (with all the other choices out there) makes me think that you
have spam issues.

All the other choices? I maintain servers for a living, I have and can
do the procmail/spamassassin thing, but why bother when I can offload that
effort to someone else? And why specifically should you give a damn what
my technology decision making process looks like, anyway? You're not
qualified to second-guess me.

Then I make a post and you snipe right in--"This guy is a spammer."

That would be because you put a commercial message in a discussion group,
rather in the soc.genealogy.marketplace group where it belongs. Most
people who make that mistake learn from it, and correct their behavior.
Some even apologize for being ignorant.

So you posted your commercial, yes, we know.

It was easier to post an article that I already had created than to
start fresh and say, "FTM does this and that."

So, you're a _lazy_ spammer. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Please note that had
YOU done some research (my links were in my post) you would know that
I was not some guy hiding in the shadows posting willy-nilly on all
the forums. I've been publishing my genealogy newsletter since 1995
and have helped thousands (millions if you count the DearMYRTLE
Internet genealogy radio shows).

So you're not new, and still you didn't know about .marketplace? So that
goes from "new and ignorant" to "around long enough not to even have that
excuse".

However Dave, as I was reading through posts--with the urge to wring
your smart-aleck neck--I saw that you post a lot...and that you help
people a lot. So I've got to give props to you. Just lighten up.

I'm glad that I have passed whatever post-worthiness filter you are applying.
Stop spamming, and we'll get along fine.

[Gjest]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On 4 Dec 2004 10:40:35 -0800, Robert Ragan <[email protected]
wrote:
Hmmm..

I'm very aware of what the SpamCop service is.

Funny, it looked like you were making an assumption based on wrong
guesses. And now it looks like a backpedal.

I was referring to
people who think it is their job to be the "Internet police" and go
around obsessing about it. The fact that you have a spamcop e-mail
address (with all the other choices out there) makes me think that
you
have spam issues.

All the other choices? I maintain servers for a living, I have and
can
do the procmail/spamassassin thing, but why bother when I can offload
that
effort to someone else? And why specifically should you give a damn
what
my technology decision making process looks like, anyway? You're not
qualified to second-guess me.


Then I make a post and you snipe right in--"This guy is a spammer."

That would be because you put a commercial message in a discussion
group,
rather in the soc.genealogy.marketplace group where it belongs. Most
people who make that mistake learn from it, and correct their
behavior.
Some even apologize for being ignorant.

So you posted your commercial, yes, we know.

It was easier to post an article that I already had created than to
start fresh and say, "FTM does this and that."

So, you're a _lazy_ spammer. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Dave,

I knew you'd be back. I didn't expect anything less than nastiness from
you and you didn't disappoint me.

I've said publicly and privately that genealogy folks are some of the
nicest people on earth. But evidently, some of the humbugs hang out
here.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of you. Even you, Ebanezer.

Robert Ragan


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[Dave Hinz]

On 6 Dec 2004 13:59:16 -0800, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

So, you're a _lazy_ spammer. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

I knew you'd be back. I didn't expect anything less than nastiness from
you and you didn't disappoint me.

Oh good, I'm so glad that you didn't think that a mere spammer would be
chasing me off any time soon.

I've said publicly and privately that genealogy folks are some of the
nicest people on earth. But evidently, some of the humbugs hang out
here.

People who learn from their mistakes, I'm happy to deal with. You,
however, are the type of creature known as the "unrepentant spammer".

You know, it's funny. On occasion, I'll attempt a dialog with a spammer
instead of just doing the usual "send abuse notification to ISP" thing.
Every time I've bothered, it hasn't been worth the effort. Apparently
I was wrong when I thought you were capable of being educated.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of you. Even you, Ebanezer.

Go away spammer, and stay there.

(snip more sales crap)

[Gjest]

Dave,

You view me as a

-spammer
-creature
-"unrepentant spammer"
-personal not capable of being educated

I see you as a self-appointed Internet policeman who cries spam at the
drop of a hat.

I made a post that was too commercial for this group's taste, which I
see now that the witch hunt is on, but not off topic, not about
improving your love life or some other thing. And heaven forbid anyone
use an associate link. Let's not mention that most of the decent
genealogy sites do--and gasp, Rootsweb does. Clear out those cookies,
gang.

I've tried to make contribution to the genealogy world and I hate spam.
My newsletter is opt-in. And one post to a group that the group does
not like--that INCLUDES my name and links, etc. does not spam make, my
friend. I'm not hiding in the shadows blasting stuff out everywhere. I
think you need to be educated...on manners--which of course, you'll
find amusing.

I'll not grovel at your feet begging for forgivness for making a post
you didn't like--but it would be wonderful if we could play nice.
Robert

[Charlie]

On 6 Dec 2004 13:59:16 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

<snipped everything unrelated to soc.genealogy.computing>

What? there doesn't seem to be anything left!

---
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[Gjest]

Charlie wrote:

On 6 Dec 2004 13:59:16 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

snipped everything unrelated to soc.genealogy.computing

What? there doesn't seem to be anything left!

---
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Bwah!

What an extremely valid point you have there, Charlie.

FYI: Here is another source about Family Tree Maker:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/general/

It is on the GenForum site. Look for the section on Family Tree Maker.
Lots of really good information has built up on this forum on FTM 2005.
Be warned that there are some affiliate links on GenForum's site (run,
hide).

This section includes:

-Family Tree Maker (by Genealogy.com)

-Family Tree Maker: Installation - FTM Installation Questions and
Problems

-Family Tree Maker: Usage and How-To Questions - Get the Most Out of
Your FTM Software!

-Family Tree Maker: Printing and Formatting Trees, Charts, and Reports

-Family Tree Maker: Searching - Family Archive CDs, Family Finder
Report, and the World Family Tree CDs

-Family Tree Maker: Error Messages and Display Problems

-FamilyTreeMaker.com - Online questions regarding web browsers, user
home pages, and publishing reports online

Robert Ragan

[0_Qed]

[email protected] wrote:

....snip...

"Dave" and "Family Tree" ....

Please ... "stifle" as Archie mite have said.

'Adult' behaviour suggests its in order ...
Spam is also defined as a public "pissing contest" ...
take it "off" NG, if you would ... please & thank you.


Ed.

[Paul Blair]

[email protected] wrote:
<snip>

-Family Tree Maker: Printing and Formatting Trees, Charts, and Reports

-Family Tree Maker: Searching - Family Archive CDs, Family Finder
Report, and the World Family Tree CDs

-Family Tree Maker: Error Messages and Display Problems

-FamilyTreeMaker.com - Online questions regarding web browsers, user
home pages, and publishing reports online

Robert Ragan

When FTM manage to untangle the way they handle (or don't handle)

graphics in reports, there might be a point. But for now, this is just
blatant advertising....the program isn't worth the money.

Paul Blair
Australia

[Robert Heiling]

"Robert Ragan" <[email protected]> wrote:

Charlie wrote:
On 6 Dec 2004 13:59:16 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

snipped everything unrelated to soc.genealogy.computing

What? there doesn't seem to be anything left!

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Bwah!

What an extremely valid point you have there, Charlie.

Yes, he certainly has!

FYI: Here is another source about Family Tree Maker:<snip

Here's a better one and one for Ancestry.com also:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/
http://landing.ancestry.com/multisubs/subscribe.aspx

Neither of those URL links there are polluted such that one of these
greedy $pammer$ will get an unearned payoff. Save this post and/or those
links and use those links freely until and if you have made any decision
to purchase. If you have decided to purchase from either of those
companies then do as follows to make sure that no $pammer gets $$$ from
your purchase because cookies are on your computer from your surfing.

For Microsoft browsers (Internet Explorer): BEFORE you click on either
of those links, look up at the top of your browser window and click on
"Tools", then click on "Internet Options". Under the "General" tab, you
will see in the middle "Delete Cookies" and "Delete Files". Click on
both of those last two and click OK as needed. Then click OK at the
bottom and NOW click that link for FTM or Ancestry that you want.

It's OK if the process gets disrupted or you want to do some more
looking before buying. Just start at the beginning of these instructions
when you are ready.

Instructions are available for other browsers also such as Mozilla &
Mozilla-Firefox. Let's stop rewarding the $spammer$!

Bob


Bob

[Gjest]

Robert Heiling wrote:

"Robert Ragan" <[email protected]> wrote:
Charlie wrote:
On 6 Dec 2004 13:59:16 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

snipped everything unrelated to soc.genealogy.computing

What? there doesn't seem to be anything left!

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Bwah!

What an extremely valid point you have there, Charlie.

Yes, he certainly has!

FYI: Here is another source about Family Tree Maker:<snip

Here's a better one and one for Ancestry.com also:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/
http://landing.ancestry.com/multisubs/subscribe.aspx

Neither of those URL links there are polluted such that one of these
greedy $pammer$ will get an unearned payoff. Save this post and/or
those
links and use those links freely until and if you have made any
decision
to purchase. If you have decided to purchase from either of those
companies then do as follows to make sure that no $pammer gets $$$
from
your purchase because cookies are on your computer from your surfing.

For Microsoft browsers (Internet Explorer): BEFORE you click on
either
of those links, look up at the top of your browser window and click
on
"Tools", then click on "Internet Options". Under the "General" tab,
you
will see in the middle "Delete Cookies" and "Delete Files". Click on
both of those last two and click OK as needed. Then click OK at the
bottom and NOW click that link for FTM or Ancestry that you want.

It's OK if the process gets disrupted or you want to do some more
looking before buying. Just start at the beginning of these
instructions
when you are ready.

Instructions are available for other browsers also such as Mozilla &
Mozilla-Firefox. Let's stop rewarding the $spammer$!

Bob

Bob,

I'd like to point out that:

Your suggested link http://www.familytreemaker.com/ (a good one with
good stuff on it) is also one click away from "FTM User Forums" which
is a link to the GenForum site. It is the very same resource I
mentioned in the first place.

And your second suggested link (another good one) is one click away
from Ancestry's affiliate program. Genealogy.com and Ancestry.com are
both owned by MyFamily.com. Just so everyone has the facts straight
about that.

Robert

[Robert Heiling]

[email protected] wrote:

Robert Heiling wrote:
"Robert Ragan" <[email protected]> wrote:
Charlie wrote:
On 6 Dec 2004 13:59:16 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

snipped everything unrelated to soc.genealogy.computing

What? there doesn't seem to be anything left!

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Bwah!

What an extremely valid point you have there, Charlie.

Yes, he certainly has!

FYI: Here is another source about Family Tree Maker:<snip

Here's a better one and one for Ancestry.com also:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/
http://landing.ancestry.com/multisubs/subscribe.aspx

Neither of those URL links there are polluted such that one of these
greedy $pammer$ will get an unearned payoff. Save this post and/or
those
links and use those links freely until and if you have made any
decision
to purchase. If you have decided to purchase from either of those
companies then do as follows to make sure that no $pammer gets $$$
from
your purchase because cookies are on your computer from your surfing.

For Microsoft browsers (Internet Explorer): BEFORE you click on
either
of those links, look up at the top of your browser window and click
on
"Tools", then click on "Internet Options". Under the "General" tab,
you
will see in the middle "Delete Cookies" and "Delete Files". Click on
both of those last two and click OK as needed. Then click OK at the
bottom and NOW click that link for FTM or Ancestry that you want.

It's OK if the process gets disrupted or you want to do some more
looking before buying. Just start at the beginning of these
instructions
when you are ready.

Instructions are available for other browsers also such as Mozilla &
Mozilla-Firefox. Let's stop rewarding the $spammer$!

Bob

Bob,

I'd like to point out that:

Your suggested link http://www.familytreemaker.com/ (a good one with
good stuff on it) is also one click away from "FTM User Forums" which
is a link to the GenForum site. It is the very same resource I
mentioned in the first place.

And your second suggested link (another good one) is one click away
from Ancestry's affiliate program. Genealogy.com and Ancestry.com are
both owned by MyFamily.com. Just so everyone has the facts straight
about that.

Robert

You're belaboring the obvious and what is commonplace knmowledge. It's not
clear what point you're attempting to make; or are you attempting to
confuse matters? Those links were chosen because they don't disguise a
Bfast URL and are therefore not polluted by the quick-buck &&& artists. I
believe I don't have to tell you who I have in mind.

Bob

[Robert M. Riches Jr.]

On 2004-12-06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:
On 4 Dec 2004 10:40:35 -0800, Robert Ragan <[email protected]
wrote:
Hmmm..

I'm very aware of what the SpamCop service is.

(snip)

Dave,

I knew you'd be back. I didn't expect anything less than nastiness from
you and you didn't disappoint me.

I've said publicly and privately that genealogy folks are some of the
nicest people on earth. But evidently, some of the humbugs hang out
here.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of you. Even you, Ebanezer.

Robert Ragan

Dear Robert Ragan, familytree, or whatever other alias you
may be using:

I don't want to see your spam. I don't want to see your
badmouthing of Dave Hinz. You, sir, are being plonked!

Robert Riches
[email protected]
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

[Dave Hinz]

On 6 Dec 2004 14:35:02 -0800, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave,

You view me as a

-spammer
-creature
-"unrepentant spammer"
-personal not capable of being educated

Good that you are at least self-aware.

I made a post that was too commercial for this group's taste, which I
see now that the witch hunt is on,

This is a discussion group. The group for people to exploit for
commercial purposes is soc.genealogy.marketplace. This was determined
long before you, or I, arrived on the scene.

but not off topic,

Oh, well it's _targeted_ spam so it's OK? Sheesh. Next you're gonna play
the "just hit the delete key if you don't like it" card, I bet.

not about
improving your love life or some other thing. And heaven forbid anyone
use an associate link.

Speaking of that, does the company you're pimping for authorize you to
spam on their behalf? If you were worth any more effort, I'd go check.

Let's not mention that most of the decent
genealogy sites do--and gasp, Rootsweb does. Clear out those cookies,
gang.

Rootsweb spams discussion groups? Odd, I've never seen such.

I've tried to make contribution to the genealogy world and I hate spam.

Hypocrite alert!

I'll not grovel at your feet begging for forgivness for making a post
you didn't like--but it would be wonderful if we could play nice.

Stop spamming, and we _may_ be able to tolerate each other. I doubt it,
though.

[Dave Hinz]

On 6 Dec 2004 19:57:48 -0800, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

Robert Heiling wrote:

Here's a better one and one for Ancestry.com also:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/
http://landing.ancestry.com/multisubs/subscribe.aspx

Neither of those URL links there are polluted such that one of these
greedy $pammer$ will get an unearned payoff.

I'd like to point out that:
Your suggested link http://www.familytreemaker.com/ (a good one with
good stuff on it) is also one click away from "FTM User Forums" which
is a link to the GenForum site. It is the very same resource I
mentioned in the first place.

And yet, Bob's link gets people there in a way that doesn't reward people
like you, who pretend to want to help people but are really just collecting
clicks to add credit to their affiliation program.

Maybe you could find a less gullible group somewhere else.

[Denis Beauregard]

On 7 Dec 2004 15:55:37 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in
soc.genealogy.computing:

On 6 Dec 2004 14:35:02 -0800, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
Dave,

You view me as a

-spammer
-creature
-"unrepentant spammer"
-personal not capable of being educated

Good that you are at least self-aware.

Almost every spammer pretends he is not a spammer. Many recognize
that "others" see them as spammers but continue to pretend they are
not. So, I am not sure he is aware.

I made a post that was too commercial for this group's taste, which I
see now that the witch hunt is on,

This is a discussion group. The group for people to exploit for
commercial purposes is soc.genealogy.marketplace. This was determined
long before you, or I, arrived on the scene.

Indeed. And since I was there before, I may describe why there are
such rules.

Before SGC existed, there was one newsgroup: soc.roots and then
someone decided to create alt.genealogy because he could not find
soc.roots. And in 1994, someone organized a committee to
re-organize soc.roots into many more smaller newsgroups and I was in
that committee. So, the vote occured and 7 newsgroups were created
(and many more followed after that).

At that time, each genealogy newsgroup was gatewayed to a mailing list
at gatech.edu. That server requested that no list was used for
commercial purposes. So, all newsgroups (someone in the committee
was aware of that) were voted to be not commercial. The first mailing
list (gen-ff-l) was made before the end of the restructuration and
was gatewayed to a newsgroup voted at the end of 1983
(fr.rec.genealogie), so someone was aware of that limitation and all
initial newsgroups were created to be not commercial. And that rule
was never changed.

soc.genealogy.marketplace was created later, after the lists were
moved to other servers (first to eworld then to rootsweb which was
only beginning to be known and guess what, starters of rootsweb were
also in the committee like many more people involved in rootsweb).

So, if your message is to attract people to your site and the way you
do it is to attract users to your affiliate pages, then it is against
the chart. But if someone **else** speaks about your site, someone
with no relationship to you, then it is something else. This is why
someone from FTM or selling FTM is not welcome, but a user of FTM is.
This is also why someone from TMG answering to a point about TMG or
about a new feature for TMG is welcome (because it is about the
technical aspect and not to advertise the product).

but not off topic,

Oh, well it's _targeted_ spam so it's OK? Sheesh. Next you're gonna play
the "just hit the delete key if you don't like it" card, I bet.

Indeed and we should all add his name to the kill file.


Denis

[Allen]

[email protected] wrote:

Dave,

You view me as a

-spammer
-creature
-"unrepentant spammer"
-personal not capable of being educated

I see you as a self-appointed Internet policeman who cries spam at the
drop of a hat.

I made a post that was too commercial for this group's taste, which I
see now that the witch hunt is on, but not off topic, not about
improving your love life or some other thing. And heaven forbid anyone
use an associate link. Let's not mention that most of the decent
genealogy sites do--and gasp, Rootsweb does. Clear out those cookies,
gang.

I've tried to make contribution to the genealogy world and I hate spam.
My newsletter is opt-in. And one post to a group that the group does
not like--that INCLUDES my name and links, etc. does not spam make, my
friend. I'm not hiding in the shadows blasting stuff out everywhere. I
think you need to be educated...on manners--which of course, you'll
find amusing.

I'll not grovel at your feet begging for forgivness for making a post
you didn't like--but it would be wonderful if we could play nice.
Robert

I think that by now you have probably alienated everyone who reads this
ng; I doubt that any of them would ever buy anything from you. Way to
go, spammer! That's the way to drum up business!
Allen

[Gjest]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On 6 Dec 2004 19:57:48 -0800, [email protected]
[email protected]> wrote:

Robert Heiling wrote:

Here's a better one and one for Ancestry.com also:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/
http://landing.ancestry.com/multisubs/subscribe.aspx

Neither of those URL links there are polluted such that one of
these
greedy $pammer$ will get an unearned payoff.

I'd like to point out that:
Your suggested link http://www.familytreemaker.com/ (a good one
with
good stuff on it) is also one click away from "FTM User Forums"
which
is a link to the GenForum site. It is the very same resource I
mentioned in the first place.

And yet, Bob's link gets people there in a way that doesn't reward
people
like you, who pretend to want to help people but are really just
collecting
clicks to add credit to their affiliation program.

Maybe you could find a less gullible group somewhere else.

You BOTH (Dave and Bob H.) misunderstood my point. Did you even go look
at the link? Here it is: http://genforum.genealogy.com/general/

I have NOTHING to do with this link. It is not an affiliate link at
all.

It has even more resources than FTM but includes great stuff on FTM
2005. Any advertising you see there is all from
genealogy.com/myfamily.com itself, not any affiliates. It is a GOOD
resource.

Get a clue boys. You two Net Nazis march back to camp. Or better yet,
go to the grocery store. You'll find some spam there to whine about.
And now, new improved "spam lite."

Robert

[Dave Mayall]

"Robert Ragan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

I publish a genealogy newsletter and have people asking about
genealogy software all day long. I decided to post it when I saw a
previous post about the common question, "Which is the best genealogy
software."

We're almost into 2005 and here an informative article about FTM 2005
with features and benefits--features that should be used responsibly.
I don't see a problem with it. Note: I'm not saying Family Tree Maker
2005 is the best, but it should be considered.

Oh yes, of course it was.

The fact that the link to FTM is;

http://xxxxxxx.bfast.xxx/bfast/click?bf ... fpage=1057

which will get you a commission on every sale is a complete co-incidence
then?

Or rather it would have, because you'll very likely have your affiliate
status pulled for spamming like this.

A quick note to Ancestry's affiliate program manager from everybody who
didn't like your spam will see to that.

[Dave Hinz]

On 7 Dec 2004 19:18:21 -0800, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

Get a clue boys. You two Net Nazis march back to camp. Or better yet,
go to the grocery store. You'll find some spam there to whine about.
And now, new improved "spam lite."

My irony detectors just overloaded. The spammer who has managed to
alienate his target market is telling _us_ to get a clue.

Buh-bye, spammer.
<plonk>

(that means, you can reply all you want and I'll neither care nor see it).

[Dave Hinz]

On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:39:19 -0000, Dave Mayall <[email protected]> wrote:

Or rather it would have, because you'll very likely have your affiliate
status pulled for spamming like this.

A quick note to Ancestry's affiliate program manager from everybody who
didn't like your spam will see to that.

Dave, if you can find that address, please email it to me or post it here.
It would be hard/unwise to ignore several to many well-written, polite but
firm messages explaining this affiliate's problem and how he is poorly
representing Ancestry.

Thanks,
Dave Hinz

[Dave Mayall]

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:39:19 -0000, Dave Mayall <[email protected]
wrote:
Or rather it would have, because you'll very likely have your affiliate
status pulled for spamming like this.

A quick note to Ancestry's affiliate program manager from everybody who
didn't like your spam will see to that.

Dave, if you can find that address, please email it to me or post it here.
It would be hard/unwise to ignore several to many well-written, polite but
firm messages explaining this affiliate's problem and how he is poorly
representing Ancestry.

That would be [email protected]

Be sure to point them at the spammer's page and to include details of the
link (from my previous post)

[Robert Heiling]

Dave Mayall wrote:

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:39:19 -0000, Dave Mayall <[email protected]
wrote:
Or rather it would have, because you'll very likely have your affiliate
status pulled for spamming like this.

A quick note to Ancestry's affiliate program manager from everybody who
didn't like your spam will see to that.

Dave, if you can find that address, please email it to me or post it here.
It would be hard/unwise to ignore several to many well-written, polite but
firm messages explaining this affiliate's problem and how he is poorly
representing Ancestry.

That would be [email protected]

Be sure to point them at the spammer's page and to include details of the
link (from my previous post)

It probably doesn't make any difference, but [email protected] may be
better.
The FTM affiliates link from the FTM support site at:
http://www.genealogy.com/help/ftm_curr.html goes to:
http://www.genealogy.com/aff-info.html
where it says, and I quote:
"What kind of advertising is prohibited?
Unsolicited e-mail (i.e. spam) is prohibited. Any case of unsolicited e-mail
will result in immediate termination of your affiliate account, as well as
forfeiture of any commissions. Spam will not be tolerated in any way. Any copy
not approved by the Genealogy.com Affiliate Manager is prohibited as well. For
approval, contact us at [email protected] ."
and also give the address(es):
MyFamily.com, Inc.
Attn: Genealogy.com Affiliate Program
C/O Ryan Ewer
360 W. 4800 N., Provo, Utah 84604
[email protected]; (801) 705-7510

Bob

[Denis Beauregard]

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:59:33 GMT, Robert Heiling <[email protected]>
wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:

Any copy
not approved by the Genealogy.com Affiliate Manager is prohibited as well. For
approval, contact us at [email protected] ."

And what is a "copy" ??? I don't understand in that context.

Copy of the affiliated link ? Copy of their page ? Or what ?


Denis

[Dave Hinz]

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:08:52 -0500, Denis Beauregard <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:59:33 GMT, Robert Heiling <[email protected]
wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:

Any copy
not approved by the Genealogy.com Affiliate Manager is prohibited as well. For
approval, contact us at [email protected] ."

And what is a "copy" ??? I don't understand in that context.

I read it as "If you're advertising for us, your language and wording has
to be approved by us". So he's probably in the soup for more than
several reasons at this point. What a pity.

Copy of the affiliated link ? Copy of their page ? Or what ?

Copy as in "ad copy", I think.

Dave Hinz

[Robert Heiling]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:08:52 -0500, Denis Beauregard <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:59:33 GMT, Robert Heiling <[email protected]
wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:

Any copy
not approved by the Genealogy.com Affiliate Manager is prohibited as well. For
approval, contact us at [email protected] ."

And what is a "copy" ??? I don't understand in that context.

I read it as "If you're advertising for us, your language and wording has
to be approved by us". So he's probably in the soup for more than
several reasons at this point. What a pity.

Sorry guys! I thought about that being confusing as I read it after posting and it
really doesn't make complete sense unless you've read the full affiliate text on their
site: http://www.genealogy.com/aff-info.html but yes, it simply means that what an
affiliate puts on their website must be preapproved by Genealogy.com. I assume that
the "bfast" business in the link on his website was provided by Genealogy.com and was
preapproved. Our complaint is the spamming with a commercial post.

Copy of the affiliated link ? Copy of their page ? Or what ?

Copy as in "ad copy", I think.

Yes, that's it! They want to preapprove anything to do with Genealogy.com on the
website.

Bob

[Gjest]

Thanks for keeping this thread alive guys.

With Google's new setup, and the new default
layout. My article has had the top spot on the
right column for days now--which is
awesome placement.

No one has wanted to talk about FTM 2005,
but still, it is much appreciated.

Robert

[Charlie]

On 8 Dec 2004 12:23:01 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

Thanks for keeping this thread alive guys.

With Google's new setup, and the new default
layout. My article has had the top spot on the
right column for days now--which is
awesome placement.

No one has wanted to talk about FTM 2005,
but still, it is much appreciated.

Robert

I suppose you don't care, but I have just sent a compaint to
[email protected] regarding your posts in the newsgroup.

---
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[Hugh Watkins]

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:39:19 -0000, Dave Mayall <[email protected]
wrote:
Or rather it would have, because you'll very likely have your affiliate
status pulled for spamming like this.

A quick note to Ancestry's affiliate program manager from everybody who
didn't like your spam will see to that.

Dave, if you can find that address, please email it to me or post it here.
It would be hard/unwise to ignore several to many well-written, polite but
firm messages explaining this affiliate's problem and how he is poorly
representing Ancestry.

You can find it at the bottom of any ancestry page

particualrly boards.ancestry.com

there are links through to who is who
ownership invstors
senior management

and job vacancies in Provo posted on Yahoo

a very open corporation and praiseworthy for that

Hugh W

[Robert Heiling]

Charlie wrote:

On 8 Dec 2004 12:23:01 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

Thanks for keeping this thread alive guys.

With Google's new setup, and the new default
layout. My article has had the top spot on the
right column for days now--which is
awesome placement.

No one has wanted to talk about FTM 2005,
but still, it is much appreciated.

Robert

I suppose you don't care, but I have just sent a compaint to
[email protected] regarding your posts in the newsgroup.

Likewise!

Bob

[Dave Mayall]

"Robert Heiling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

affiliate puts on their website must be preapproved by Genealogy.com. I
assume that
the "bfast" business in the link on his website was provided by
Genealogy.com and was
preapproved. Our complaint is the spamming with a commercial post.

bfast is the organisation which tracks referals, and deals with all the
commission payments.

The basic principle is that if you send spam to get people to come to a web
page which has affiliate links on it, you are in really deep do-do.

They will cancel you affiliate account (and withold any outstanding
commission to date)

[Dave Mayall]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Thanks for keeping this thread alive guys.

With Google's new setup, and the new default
layout. My article has had the top spot on the
right column for days now--which is
awesome placement.

No one has wanted to talk about FTM 2005,
but still, it is much appreciated.

Had your affiliate account pulled yet spammer?

[Dave Hinz]

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 03:19:14 GMT, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote:

Charlie wrote:

I suppose you don't care, but I have just sent a compaint to
[email protected] regarding your posts in the newsgroup.

Likewise!

Me too!

Dave "I don't believe I just made a 'me too' post" Hinz