Frederica Paulsdatter og Ole Olsen, deres etterkommer

[Fred Aage Solem]

Frederica Paulsdatter gift med Ole Olsen fikk i 1809 datteren Jøda Olsdatter, (ifølge diskusjon nedenfor her med Larry fra USA), om det samme paret sier Tove Solveig Depasquale at denne datteren flytter til Fjæren i Dovre i 1848.

Det er her jeg er litt i tvil, om jeg har funnet riktig forbindelse,

Finner i kirkeboka for Lesja/Dovre i 1848 følgende dåp (Nr.14):
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-23

Da er det en datter, Frederika Olsdatter som døpes, faren heter Ole Olsen Elven og moren Jøda Olsdtr. (Husmannsplassen Elven er nevnt, men ikke Fjæren)

Senere har jeg funnet spor av min oldemor Fredrika, når hun får sin første datter at hun er av Fjæren i Dovre.

Har forsøkt å finne/kjøpe bygdebøker for Dovre som kunne gi meg en eventuell bekreftelse
men har ikke lykkes med det!
Noen som har opplysninger eller som har Dovrebøkene som kunne være snill og slå opp

[gj04035]

Fra bygdebok 3 Dovre

46/10 Elven
Elven var ett husmansbruk under Ekre.
De förste brukerne vi kjenner til var Ola Olsson og Fredrikke Pålsdotter.
Da de giftet seg i 1804 skrev de seg for Fossen og Moldal.
Ola bodde i 1801 som innerst på Hinde og var skomaker av yrke.
Hvor Fredrikke var fra er ukjent.
I 1806 var hun fadder på Tostingard og da skrev hun seg som Stigen.
I 1809 var de bosatt på Elven. osv....

Folket:
Ola Olsson 1771-1847 fra Fossen (9/4) g 1804 med Fredrikke Pålsdotter ca 1770-1845 ellers ukjent''
Fredrikke fikk 2 barn för ekteskapet,det förste med Siver Siverson fra Ekre (46/1)
Det andre med Erik Guttormsson fra Stor-Eide i Folldalen.
Barn
1. Sigurd 9/3-1794 (Hennes sönn
2. Ragnhild 11/11-1800 (Hennes datter
3. Ola 20/2-1804
4. Jöda 26/3-1809

Jöda g 1827 med Ola Olsson 1801-1849 fra Skjelstad (39/1b)
Om familjen se Fjöre (55/c)

Fjöre
eller Fyru

I 1848 flyttet det en familje hit fra Elven
OSV
Barn
1.Ragnhild 1827-1828
2.Ola 1829
3. Knut 1832
4.Ragnhild 1835-1835
5.Ragnhild 1836 d.ugift på Lesja
6.Ola 1839. Til Romsdalen
7.Anne 1842 g1867 m Gunnar Siversson fra Söre Haugen på Lesja
8.Mari 1845. Konfirmert 1861

9. Fredrikke 21/2-1848.
Fikk med Ola Håkansson Brekken fra Rennebu sönnen Ola 20/3-1868.
Fikk sönnen Johan Torsteinsson 1872
Fikk med Torstein Kristoffersson fra Skinnarhaugen dattra Ragnhild 21/8-1876.
Fikk med Fredrik Kristiansson Fjären dattra Jörgine 20/8-1879.
I 1875 var
Fredrikke på Lindsövollen med sönnene Ola og Johan.
Fredrikke senere gift i Tröndelag.

Obs. Jöda Olsdotter fikk som enke med grytestöper Andreas Olsson Myrstuen fra Fron sönnen Johan 6/12-1851
Jöda senere til Smöla.

Håper dette kan väre til hjelp.
Glem ikke sjekke kirkeböker for og få frem riktigheten i dette

Hilsner fra Sissel

[Fred Aage Solem]

Hei Sissel

Jøss, det var da litt av en dame , tusen hjertelig takk for at du orket å slå opp dette for meg.

Så nå får jeg virkelig mye gravearbeide!
Men det er jo gøy når en har noe å gå etter.

Ønsker deg samtidig et riktig Godt Nytt år i 2012!

[dn26520]

After many years of research, I am sure that Frederica Paulsdatter was the illegitimate daughter of Joda Jorgensdatter of Skredderhaugen. For some reason, her baptism was not recorded. Frederica was confirmed on 19 June 1784, at 16 years of age and her residence was listed as Skredderhaugen, the residence and birthplace of Joda Jorgensdatter. Both Frederica and Joda served as sponsors for the same baptisms numerous times in the parish records; including once in 1801- when Frederica Paulsdatter was overlooked in the 1801 census. The baptisms were usually those of the nieces and nephews of Joda Jorgensdatter. Also, the nieces and nephews of Joda Jorgensdatter serve as spnosors for the baptisms of Frederica Paulsdatter's own children. I do believe that Frederica Paulsdatter is mistakenly listed as "Frideric Poulsen" in the 1801 census. If you notice, that person is in fact living with Joda Jorgensdatter and her husband, Eric Jacobsen: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... =2589#ovre It seems both Joda and Frederica's ages are off by about six to seven years though. I cannot find any record of her two illegitimate children anywhere. They are not in the census, the death records, or listed anywhere else in the parish records. Also, since Frederica Paulsdatter's daughter was named Joda, it adds more reason to believe that Joda Jorgensdatter was in fact her mother.

[Fred Aage Solem]

Hi

What about this Ragnild Ericsd living on the farm Tande, she is 1 year and 8 months when she did die in 1802, she is not listed in the 1801 either. But maybe she is the daughter of Eric Hansen and Mari Johannisdtr. on the farm Tande Stor, and of some reason is not listed?

Record of her death: http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... =3697#ovre

It does at lest show that the record is not totaly complete of some reason in this area in 1801.

I have only managed to find 1 Friderica (Fridriche) Paulsdaughter in Norway in the
"digitalarkivet" record of 1801, it is a servant in Nannestad quit close to todays Oslo
who should have the age she should have at that time: http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... r=14#nedre

This has also been mentioned in your earlier thread you had about Friderica. But I do find it a bit strange that she did move that far for work and do not believe it can be her.

Your ide about that she can be Frideric, listed as a man, well I have probably seen that only ones myself in an other district. It is a pitty that the original documents is not available, then one could possibly have found something more about it.

Sorry that I can not help you better in this question, but if I do find something I will let you know.

[dn26520]

I am certain that my Frederica Paulsdatter was not from Nannestad. I am quite certain that she was born in Dovre and lived her entire life there. As I stated previously, I believe she was born in Dovre, but for some reason her baptism was unrecorded. As I stated before, she was confirmed there in 1784 and lived at Skraedderhougen. She did have two illegitimate children in Dovre in 1794 and 1800. She did serve as a godparent in 1801 in Dovre. It is obvious that she was in Dovre in 1801. She was either overlooked in the 1801 census or she was mistakenly listed as "Frideric Poulsen" in the 1801 census. For reasons I have stated before, I believe that she was the illegitimate daughter of Joda Jorgensdatter, who was born at Skraedder in 1737 and died at Under Angaard in 1812.

[Fred Aage Solem]

Hi, When she is married it is written Moldal behind her name, and Moldal has not been a place ore farm in Dovre I do know about.

But 2 execelent guys who has written the historical books from Dovre about farms, homes and people Mr. Gunnar Kaas Born in Dovre 1915, for many years the leader of Dovre Historical Society and Mr. Arnfinn Engen born in Dovre 1944, (Assistant Profesor in History) does say when they do tell about Ola Olsson and Fredrerica Poulsdaughter they do say that her origin is unknown. They do mention as I have written "when she married she did use (after her fathers name) Moldal.
But they do also tell that in an baptism in 1806, (On Torstingard) then she did use in the end of her name Stigen.

I do presume that you have seen the original church book where she has Moldal after her fathers name.
I do expect that you know when people dis use name like Moldal ore in her husbands case Fossen very often that was the name of the farm ore house where they was born ore living.

[dn26520]

In October, 2011, I had a query as to whether Moldal was a part of Andgaard, this is the response I received: https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/view ... p?t=100255

Frederica's residence at the time of her marriage was listed as Moldalen. One of the bestmen at her wedding to Ole Olsen Fossen was Eric of Moldalen, who I believe was either her step-father, Eric Jacobsen, or her mother's brother, Eric Jorgensen: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 480043.jpg

[Fred Aage Solem]

Hi, I think you said earlier that you had not found the baptism of any of Frederica s children before she was married to Ole, the link to the baptism of Ragnild born 1800 is her:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-280

It is even quit easy to read, look at the right side!

[Fred Aage Solem]

And her is the link to her first child born 1794 (page 410):
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-207

Child; Siugurd

It looks more and more that you are right about your idea that she must be born in Dovre.