Thorvald BERGERSEN & Karen HANSDATTER Aurskog > NZ

[gj01576]

Could I have some translation, and other help, with this family, please?

I cannot decipher the place names and other names recorded for the following:

Marriage of Thorvald BERGERSEN and Karen HANSDATTER:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-234
Parish Register: Aurskog, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 7, 1854-1877
Page 202, Marriage no. 6, 1857

Karen HANSDATTER: Birth & Christening (recorded as Caren)
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-15
Parish Register: Aurskog, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 6, 1829-1853
Page 12, Christening no. 114, 1830

Karen HANSDATTER: Confirmation
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-240
Parish Register: Aurskog, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 6, 1829-1853
Page 202, Confirmation no. 32 (RHS), 1845

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Their children:

Anders: Birth & Christening
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-45
Parish Register: Aurskog, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 7, 1854-1877
Page 39, Christening no. 106, 1857

Gunda Marie: Birth & Christening
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-71
Parish Register: Aurskog, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 7, 1854-1877
Page 65, Christening no. 55, 1860

Maren Olava: Birth & Christening
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-102
Parish Register: Aurskog, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 7, 1854-1877
Page 96, Christening no. 69, 1864
(I'm fairly sure this is the mysterious Maren Olava who travelled with the LARSEN family to NZ - see previous thread:
https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/view ... hp?t=37111 . I'm pretty sure that these 2 families are related, but cannot prove it.)

Karen Bolette: Birth & Christening
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-118
Parish Register: Aurskog, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 7, 1854-1877
Page 112, Christening no. 106, 1866

Kasper and Mathilde (twins): Birth & Christening
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-423
Parish Register: Aurskog, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 7, 1854-1877
Page 333, Christening nos. 50 & 51, 1869

Dortea, born about April/May 1873 - not found. (Was 3/12 years when registered for emigration - emigrated August 1873 to NZ.)

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There are some records that are not available online:

1. Birth of Thorvald BERGERSEN, abt Jan 1825. Parents: Berger JOHNSEN and Mari TRYGSDATTER.

2. Emigration records (in parish register) for emigration to New Zealand in August 1873.

How might I obtain these records elsewhere?

Thanks.

[dn19007]

Emigrasjon from Oslo, 1867-1930.
A:dag B: lik C: 08 Søk
A: nr B:børjar på C: 407
Thorvald has nr.407 a, and Dorthea has nr.407h. 3 1/2 years old = wrong!!!!
I have more later.
Palmar

[gj01576]

Thanks for your response, Palmar.

Dortea was 3/12 years, meaning 3 months old. I haven't been able to find a christening record for her. (I wondered if she wasn't christened because the family left in haste for Kristiania/Oslo. I know some families spent a long time in Kristiania before the ship, Høvding, left.)

Here is Emigration Record:
29296 Oslo 407A 1873 08 Thorvald Bergersen m G Tømmermand 45 Urskoug New Zealand 1291 Norsk œ 55 Høvding
29297 Oslo 407B 1873 08 Karen Hansdatter f G Kone 43 Urskoug New Zealand 1292 Norsk œ 55 Høvding
29298 Oslo 407C 1873 08 Anders m u Søn 16 Urskoug New Zealand 1293 Norsk œ 55 Høvding
29299 Oslo 407D 1873 08 Gunda f u Datter 14 Urskoug New Zealand 1294 Norsk œ 55 Høvding
29300 Oslo 407E 1873 08 Karen f u Datter 7 Urskoug New Zealand 1295 Norsk œ 55 Høvding
29301 Oslo 407F 1873 08 Mathilde f u Datter 4 Urskoug New Zealand 1296 Norsk œ 55 Høvding
29302 Oslo 407G 1873 08 Casper m u Søn 4 Urskoug New Zealand 1297 Norsk œ 55 Høvding
29303 Oslo 407H 1873 08 Dorthea f u Datter 3/12 åR Urskoug New Zealand 1298 Norsk œ 55 Høvding

[dn19007]

I recon you will manage to read most of the church records. Unfortunately some of the church records from Aurskog are difficult to read. I only put out the domiciles for Anders and the rest of the children.For the rest of them, I only write if it exists.
THORVALD was christened on Feb.20,1825 in Aurskog.(born outside of marriage)
I have not checked this out in the church record,I have to look at the film.
Parents: BERGER Johnsen.... and MARI Trygsdtr. She was born at Smederud in Eidskog, and christened on Dec.10,1786 in Eidskog church,Hedemark. Mari`s parents were TRYG Pedersen,Smerud, b.1753-d.1807,and married on Nov.3,1782 to BERTE Gundersdtr. Vestfjeld,b.1755-d.1834

In the church record,there is a remark. regarding Mari: She had a daughter; MARTE b.on Dec.10.1830 (Marte`s father was MORTEN Olsen b.1808 at Delingsby,Fjellskogen) The pastor has also written that Mari had a child in Aurskog, and the father was Berger Johnsen. Mari got her permission to move out of the parich on Oct.1,1835 and moved to Aurskog, where she is confirmed. She also took Marte with her to Aurskog.

KAREN: b.on Sep.25,1830,christened on Oct.24,1830,Askedal u Aasnes,Aurskog, Akershus
She was also christened at home, but no date is given.

Karen`s parents were:HANS Olsen,Hagen u Gunhildrud,Aurskog,b.1793-... Married on Nov.22,1828 to BERTE MARIE Jakobsdtr.b.1805 at Sagbakken u Eid.(Aurskog/Blaker)
Hans`parents were: OLE Kristensen, Hagen u Aurskog Prestegaard(rectory),christ. on Sep.26,1745-d.1797. Married to#2.ANNE Kristoffersdtr.b.1745-d.on June 201820.

Anders born at Solli u Lier,Aurskog.
Gunda,Karen, the twins Mathilde and Casper were all born at Tangen/Haaveraatangen,Aurskog. They are not mentioned in the book at that place,but that I can easily understend, because that place was a very small one, and none of the tenants lived there for a long time before they moved again, as it was with a lot of the small tenant places/farms in Aurskog.

Thorvald,Karen and their family moved out of Aurskog in April 1873.

DORTHEA is not mentioned at the time!!Dorthe is most likely born some place between Aurskog and Oslo.I think what is written at the emigrasjon in Aug.1873 is wrong.
3 1/2 year is more likely to month or week.
Iwill be out of town for a while, but if you need any more information, I am sure someone else can help you.
Best regards,
Palmar

[gj01576]

Thanks, Palmar. This is very helpful, and I do appreciate your assistance.

[gj01576]

Can anyone please help with a birth date for Thorvald BERGERSEN? I have birth date of about January 1825. Palmar has christening date of 20 February 1825 in Aurskog.

Also, the family are recorded as leaving Aurskog in April 1873. Could someone please tell me, were the names of the children recorded and, if so, was Maren Olava among them? (If I am to be sure that she travelled with another family, under the alias Maren Olava LARSEN, I need to know if she left with her real family or died earlier.)

Thanks.

[Vidar Sigurd Øverlie]

Pip, several Aurskog parish records are already available online and some includes emigration records. All Norwegian parish record are planned to be available by end 2007.

[gj01576]

Thanks, Vidar.

I had found these. Unfortunately, the records I need are not yet available.

[gj01576]

I am still struggling to read the place names in church book records, but here's my best effort:

Marriage of Thorvald BERGERSEN and Karen HANSDATTER:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... uid=ny&idx _side=-234
Parish Register: Aurskog, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 7, 1854-1877
Page 202, Marriage no. 6, 1857
I think this reads:
Ungkarl Torvald BERGERSEN Poli (or Pali) und Lier. Father Berger JOHNSEN Guldbakke
Pige Karen HANSDATTER Brooken i Aremoen. Father Hans OLSEN Brooken

I can only identify the names Halvor and HALVORS(EN) in the remaineder of this record plus the date 1873 which I presume relates to emigration.

Could someone please tell me if there is any such places as the above?

Thanks.

[dn19007]

Marriage: Askedal u Aasnæs
Karen christ. Askedal u Aasnæs
" conf. " " to Tangen u Aaserud.
Anders christ. Sollie u Lier
Gunda. Haveråtangen u Mangen
Maren Olava " "
Karen Bolette Tangen u Mangen
Kasper and Mathilde, " "

Aurskog: 1854-1877, 1873, side 322, nr.13-20
Emigr. Over Oslo,1854-1930 Nr. børjar på, 407. År 1873. (407A-407H)
Maren Olava ,dead ,Aurskog-Oslo.1873 !!!
Pleas forget Maren Olava Larsen in that family !!!!!!!!!!

[gj01576]

Thanks, Palmar.

[Kåre Petter Hansen Hammeren]

Pip and Palmar,

I am almost 100% sure that my ggg grandmother, Anne Tryggsdatter, was the sister of Mari Tryggsdatter. My conception is based on the fact that she is called Anne Tryygsdtr Smerud when marrying in 1823(Aurskog MINI I 5 1814- 1829 - no. 18)Image 277

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 030657.jpg

However her age is wrong. She is said to be 26 years old, but she should have been 39.
That is why I am not 100% sure, but I believe there is no other possibility. There were 2 or 3 Anne Tryggsdatter more, but they were married to other persons.

But you will find both Mari Trygsdr and Arne Tryggesen here when my gg grandfather Teodor Olsen is baptized in 1829( Aurskog KLOK 1814-1829-image 175)

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 020146.jpg


It would be very interesting to hear the opinion of Palmar on this case.

Best wishes

Kåre Petter

[gj01576]

Hi, Kåre.

Sorry, I haven't checked the forum for a while.

If you do a parent search at Family Search (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp) for Tryg PERSEN and Berte GUNDERSDATTER, you will find several children from the same family. There is an Anne (b. 1784) among them.

They had 2 daughters named Mari (one b. 1786, the other b. 1798). It is possible that they may have had 2 daughters named Anne.

[Kåre Petter Hansen Hammeren]

I have taken a DNA family finder test on:

https://www.familytreedna.com

I do find the results interesting. Have you ever considered to take such a test ?
I do ask this question because I believe you are a distant cousin of mine.
I do hope this is not inconvenient.

Kåre Petter Hansen, NORWAY