Lauritz (Lauris) LARSEN and Maren PEDERSDATTER from ?Hedmark

[gj01576]

I cannot find the following family in the 1865 census. If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it!

Also, what is the meaning of "R." in "Næss, R."?

Leaving Norway for New Zealand:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 29099#ovre
29099 Oslo 345A 1873 06 Laurits Larsen m G Arb. 31 Næss, R. New Zealand 1094 Norsk œ 30 Høvding
29100 Oslo 345B 1873 06 Maren Pedersdatter f G Kone 29 Næss, R. New Zealand 1095 Norsk œ 30 Høvding
29101 Oslo 345C 1873 06 Maren Olava f u Datter 10 Næss, R. New Zealand 1096 Norsk œ 30 Høvding
29102 Oslo 345D 1873 06 Christian m u Søn 4 Næss, R. New Zealand 1097 Norsk œ 30 Høvding
29103 Oslo 345E 1873 06 Bernt m u Søn 1/2 åR Næss, R. New Zealand 1098 Norsk œ 30 Høvding

1873 "Høvding" Passenger List, http://www.norsewoodcemetery.co.nz/ship ... r-list.php.
Lauritz LARSEN Farm laborer Interior (Odalen) 30 Husband £30

Lauritz was killed when he fell from his horse. A newspaper article, dated 29 May 1890, about his death says, "Deceased who recently arrived from Makaretu, was a Norwegian, being born in the town of Boeynes, Norway, and was aged 48 years."

Is there somewhere named (or sounding like) Boeynes, Norway? - possibly in Hedmark? (Sounds more like somewhere in France to me!) I suspect English-speaking reporters had some trouble understanding Norwegian accents, maybe this was just another one?!

Thanks.

[dn19007]

Til dere som vil hjelpe.
Nes mini 1-8 1859-74 ,Utflyttet 1873 side 518 3 rad nr 3

[dn12117]

Hi Pip.

First - Næs R. is the same as Næs Romerike - it´s in Akershus County. We have several places in several County with this name Næs/Nes/Ness/Næss.

I have not been able to find Maren Pedersdatter in Census 1865 yet, but they are not in the same place that year because they got married May 1 1868.

Laurits is here: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... =6177#ovre

Their emigration in Churchbook for Nes: Mini I 8 1859 - 74, page 518 row no 3.

1873 - very small letters I will use Day/month/year.

Married man Laurits Larsen Bjerknes, born 2/4, christening 29/5 1842, confirmed 4/10 1857(I will check his birthdate later) with wife Maren Pedersdatter Boerlie of Edskogen born 27/6, christening 17/8 1845, confirmed 1868(I belive it´s written wrong - if not she was 23 years old - 1860 it´s better I belive )
to who he married 1/3 1868 and who brings her own Sertificate(Særskildt Attest - in Norwegian) and two sons Christian born 17/8, christening 26/12 1869 and Bernt born 22/12 1872, christening 9/3 1873.

To New Zealand with Attest(Sertificate) of 3 June 1873. This man(Laurits) has return an early given emigration Attest to America of 3 May 1871.

This Maren Olava, daughter and 10 years old it´s not mentioned in this emigration.
It´s also their residence at the Emigration from oslo 1867 - 1930, not bornplace.

I can not find something for you in Edskog/Eidskog, but I can give you marriage, Laurits christening and the two sons Christian and Bernt.

Coming back later

[dn12117]

Hi Pip.

Some more and I hope you will understand most of it

Nes Mini (Churchbook) I 8 1859 – 74

Marriage no. 4, page 307.

Date: 1 Marts 1868 In Næs church (I belive, because this is the book for this parish)

Bachelor Lauritz Larssen, Born and livingplace:Bjerknæs, 26 years old, Father: Lars Larssen Bjerknæs and Single girl Maren Pedersdatter, born Roed(Bord) Eie in Eidskogen, 24 years old, Father: Peder Nilssen Bordlie.
Bestmen: Lars Christiansen Bjerknes and Ole Christiansen Bjerknes
Annonced in church before marriage: 19 and 26 of January, 4 of February 1868.
Attest(Sertificate) for the bride from (Fearnley præste?) – (can´t realy tell what this means!!)

Same book, christening no 91, page 82

Christian, born 17/8, Christening: 26/12 1869
Lauritz Larssen and wife Maren Pedersdatter Bjerknæs.
Godparents: Girl Marie Larsdatter Myrvold, Girl Ragnhild Olsdatter Bratlien, Casper Thorenius Bergersen Sagstuen, Engebrigt Eriksen Bratlien, Casper Christophersen Rakeie.
Christening at home by his father 16 of November.

Same book, christening no 10, page 447.

Bernt, born 21(22)/12 1872, christening: 9/3 1873
Husmand(Smallholder) Lauritz Larssen Bjerknæs, 31 years old and Wife Maren Pedersdatter: 29 years old, Married in Marts 1868.
Godparents: Girl Indiane Gudbrandsdatter Østgaardskolen, Dorthea Pedersdatter Borli af Vinger(Borli in Vinger), The childs father, Gulbrand Larssen Finholdt af Odalen( Finholdt of Odalen), Christian Hanssen Bjerknæs.

(Vinger and Odalen are in Hedmark County. Eidskogen too.)

Nes Mini I 7 1846 – 58 Confirmation No 14, page 213.

Confirmation in Fenstad Church for children from the headparish Næs 4 of October 1857 by Pastor Brochmann.

Lauritz Larssen, born 2/4, chrit.: 29/5 1842 Born and Livingplace: Bjerknæs from ?? (Can not read it)
Lars Larssen and wife Berthe Tostensdatter.
Vaccinated: 4/8 1848.

I am not able to find Lauritz christening in Nes yet – I belive he has been christening in Eidskog. I locked up for two of his sisters and find Elisabeth(Born 23/10 1845) and Thea (Born 4/4 1850) christening in Nes. Birthplace for Thea was Bjertnes(I belive that’s wrong written) and for Elisabeth Bjerknes. I locked at the Godparents and then I find them in the “Bygdebok” for Nes Romerike Under Runni Skog.
Lauritz is not mentioned here, but I´m sure it’s the right family:

The short story from the book Page 320 – 321 in book nr. 4 – it´s 5 of them which tells about farms and the people in them.

Lars Larsen, born 1812 was married to Berte Tostensdatter from Eidskog born 1816.
Children: Elisabeth born 1850, Johan born 1854 married to Mathilde Pedersdatter Brautersetra, Mina born 1856, Bernt born 1860, Thea. Also written that the oldest son took over the place: Johan….

All in () it´s my notes.

I hope this helps you a little – if I find some more I write it in Slektsforum.

[Vidar Sigurd Øverlie]

Hello Pip,

You are not the only one that is looking for information on this family. Back i 1999 Virginia Kinley posted the following enquiries at two rootsweb forums:

boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=localities.scan-balt.norway.bergen&m=11

boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=localities.scan-balt.norway.general&m=201

Based on the information provided by Lillian above I think Virginia got it wrong about Bergen.

Assume that Boeynes in the NZ newspaper is supposed to be the same as Bjerknæs in the 1865 census where Laurits lived at that time. According to LivS at DISchat, Bjertnes is the current spelling of Bjerknæs. Map.

The church books that Lillian has been so kind to translate above are available online. Currently the response is very slow but it should improve with a new server later this month.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_id=535

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-331

[dn12117]

Hi Pip.

The Map Vidar and Liv give you Link to is not the right Bjerknæs/Bjørknes.

This is the right one: http://www.hvor.no/kart/sok/?q=skilling ... VnIE5lcw==

It is under Runni Skog (Number 159) together with Rakeie - you can se on the map. If you don´t get it up in N.Z use this link: http://www.hvor.no/

and write Skilling - SØK. Then you get it.

Your Bjørknes is Southern Bjørknes /Bjerknæs.

Bjertnes is another place with the Matrikkelnumber 141 - have nothing to do with your people.

[dn12117]

Hi Pip.

I just get seven pages with relatives to Lauritz Larsen and Maren Pedersdatter on a Word document, but some of it must be translated first.

I do not know if I can copy inn all of it here in the forum

May be you can send me a private mail on this forum?

[Vidar Sigurd Øverlie]

Lillian, thanks for finding the right Bjerknæs.

[gj01576]

Thank you Lillian and Vidar! This is a great help.

I did a parents search at FamilySearch.org, and found another child for Lars LARSEN and Berta TOSTENSDATTER:

Karen LARSEN
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... frompage=1
Christening: 06 SEP 1840 Nes, Akershus, Norway.

I see she is found with her husband and one child in a separate dwelling on the same farm as her parents.

[gj01576]

I tried to find the christening record for Karen LARSDATTER (see previous post), but have not been able to locate it. Am I looking in the right place? The page I think she should be on is here:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?s ... e=nei&ls=1

Thanks.

[gj01576]

I tried to find the following birth/christening records to no avail:

Elisabeth(Born 23/10 1845) and Thea (Born 4/4 1850) christening in Nes. Birthplace for Thea was Bjertnes(I belive that’s wrong written) and for Elisabeth Bjerknes. I locked at the Godparents and then I find them in the “Bygdebok” for Nes Romerike Under Runni Skog.
Lauritz is not mentioned here, but I´m sure it’s the right family

The census has their birth years around the other way (Elizabet b. 1849/1850 and Thea b. about 1845/1846), but I have taken this into account and looked for both names around these dates.

Could someone please supply links?

Thanks.

[dn12117]

Hi Pip.

I am very sorry I mixed Thea and Elisabeth. Sometimes I´m to hurry

Nes Mini I 6 1833 – 1845

Christening nr.50, page 109

Karen born 10/8, christ.: 6/9 1840
Lars Larsen and Berte Tostensd. Bierknæs.

Sorry Pip – I mixed it – this is the right for Thea and Elisabeth.

Nes Mini I 7 1846 – 1858

Christening nr.4, page 81

Thea born 23/10 1845, Christ: 1/1 1846
Lars Larsen and Berte Tostensd. Bjertnæs (I still belive this is Bjerknæs)

Same book, Chritening nr.52, page 103

Elisabeth Larsdatter Born 4/4, Christ: 9/6 1850 in Nes Church.
Lars Larsen farmer at Bjerkenæs and wife Berthe Tostensdatter.

If you want Godparents I can do that later!!


In Census 1865 you got Lena 10 years old – in the “Bygdebok” her name is Mina born 1856.

The church book here, same as Thea, Christ nr.93, page 136

Mina Birgitte born 29/4, Christ: 29/6 1856 in Hovind Church
Lars Larsen Bjerknes, The Forest in Nes(Runni Skoven) and wife Birthe Tostensdatter.

Same book Christ nr.30, page 46

Johan Casper Larsen born 20/1, Christ: 19/2 1854 in Næs Church
Lars Larsen, Farmer at Bjerkenæs and wife Berthe Thorstensdatter.

Some of the writing in church books around 1840 – 45 is difficult to read – but now I find Lauritz too.

Nes Mini I 6 1833 – 1845 Christ nr.46, page 58

Lauris(It´s written as this) Born 2/4, Christ: 29/5 1842
Lars Larsen, Berte Tostensd. Bjerknæs Ejer.

Nes Mini I 8 1859 - 1874 Christening nr.19, page 9.

Bernt born 20/2, christ: 1/4 1860 at K.church (?Klodsbodding)
Lars Larsen Bjerknæs and wife Berthe Tostensdatter.

I will write correction in the Census.

Hope this helps

[gj01576]

Thank you so much, Lillian. You have gone to a lot of trouble to provide this information, and I really appreciate your effort.

I am working my way through the info and will post a link to the relevant part of my website when I am done.

[gj01576]

I found the christening of Peter Lauritz, foster son (actually grandson) of Lars LARSEN and Berta TOSTENSDATTER. He is daughter of Thea LARSDATTER:

Nes, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 8, 1859 - 1874, Page 45 (8th entry).
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... e=nei&ls=1
Peter Lauritz
Born: 5 Aug 1864
Christ.: 11 Sep 1864

Could someone please tell me what it says about his parents? I gather they were not married and his father, Per PERSON, was from Sweden.

Also, would Peter be known as Peter Lauritz PERSON? How did patronymic names work when the parents were unmarried?

Also, I think this is Thea and Peter Lauritz moving to Eidskogen:
Nes, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 8, 1859-1874, p 518. (Left hand side)
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?u ... 40665&js=j
Does this mean she is also leaving with her daughter, Laura Caroline, b. 1870?

Lillian - saw your additions/corrections on the 1865 census. What a great idea.

[gj01576]

Even though the birth place and date don't quite agree, this must be Maren PEDERSDATTER in the 1865 census - also at Bjerknæs:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... =6171#ovre
6171 14 Maren Pedersd. Tjenestepige ug 22 k Næs Prgj.

[gj01576]

My best guess is that Maren Olava could be daughter of widow Ingeborg M.Larsd., who is supported by welfare:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... =1210#ovre
1205 32 1 Lars Amunds. Husf. Hmd. med Jord g 68 m Næs 2 2 1/8 1 1/4 1
1206 33 Maren Larsd. hans Kone g 69 k Næs
1207 1 Ingeborg M. Larsd. hans Datter e 37 k Næs understøttes af Fattigvæsenet
1208 2 Markus Lars. hendes Søn ug 13 m Næs
1209 3 Johan Lars. hendes Søn ug 9 m Næs
1210 4 Maren Larsd. hendes Datter ug 2 k Næs

Ingeborg could be Lars LARSEN's younger sister???

[dn12117]

Hi Pip.

It´s not trouble - it´s fun

Some more here: Peter Lauritz and the right Lars Larsen

In the Census 1865 Peter Lauritz:

Nes Mini I 8 1859 – 1874, page 45 (2/18)

Peter Lauritz born 5/8, Christ: 11/9 1864 Østbye? Born before marriage.
Single girl Thea Larsdatter Bjerknæs, Bachelor and Jernbanearbeider(Railwayroad employee) Per Person? From Sweden, ?? in Rakeie.

Nes Mini I 4 1781 – 1816 Kort 6/7 page 182

Date can not be read, but it´s between June and July - 1812

Lars. Lars Bergersen og Kirstine Xtensd. Bjerkneæs.
Dbv.: Kristen Hunstad, Ragnild Hunstad, Ole Xtens. Bjerknæs, Ole Wigen and his wife Kari.

This is Lars Larsen which marries Berte Tostensdatter 1840 and they get a daughter Karen 1840.



This fit with the Census 1865 also – his age then is 53 years old.. This Lars Larsen born in 1800 it´s from Lars Bergersen first marriage with Mari Kristensdatter who died in 1805. I belive this child died too – I will try to find it out.

This I can prove now – I found him dead in 1808.

Nes Mini I 4 1781 – 1816 Card nr.4/7 He is on page twelve on this card

Died 17 of Marts 1808 Lars Larsen BjerknæsE. Farmerson 7 years old.

Census 1801: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... =4679#ovre

This Lars Larsen 1 year old born 1800 is here:

Nes Mini I 4 1781 – 1816 Card nr.5/7 – christening at page 18 on this card.

Number 107

Born 10/9, Christ: 14/9 1800 Lars.
Parents: Lars Bergers. Biørknæs and Maria Christensdatter.
Godparents: Anne Andeersd. Racheje, Berthe Christensd. Biørknæs, Lars Hansen Runden, Hans Hendrichsen Runden, Xsten(Kristen) Birgersen Havsøemoen.


Something else – Karen born in 1840 – the churchbook says she is born in marriage – the date in the word document I sent you sais that her parents married in December 1840. This I can´t lock up before I got back to the archive in Hamar. I am in our cabin in Sørum Akershus just now – but 4. of October I will be in Hamar on a meeting in this Archive.

I belive Lars Bergersens first and second wife is sisters - so it´s only for you to change mother for Lars Larsen born 1812.

Send you my notes on mail too

I´m still locking

[dn12117]

Hi Pip.

I belive he will be called Peter Lauritz Person

Thea Larsdatter moves to Eidskogen as you say.

Nes, Akershus, Norway: Ministerialbok I 8, 1859-1874, p 518. (Left hand side)

1872

Single girl Thea Larsdatter Bjerknæs(Born 23/10 1845, christ: 1/1 1846, Conf.: 7/10 1860) with two children born out of marriage, one son Peter Lauritz born 5/8, christ: 11/9 69, one daughter Laura Caroline born 8/4, christ: 26/6 1870.
To Eidskogen Parish with Certificate of 9/1 1873.

Same book as emigration: Christ nr.39, page 176

Laura Caroline born 8/4, christ: 26/6 1870
Single girl Thea Larsdatter Bjerknæs and Married man Christian Carlsen ?Brautersæteren?.
The girl has one son born out of marriage before with one ?Person? and this man(Carlsen) has 7 children with his wife.

This for now

[gj01576]

Thanks for all this, Lillian, and for the info you sent me by email.

I am slowly getting it all entered into my database.

I have recently made contact with Virginia (whom Vidar mentioned) and am sharing this information with her. She is delighted to have the ancestor information.

Again, thank you.

[gj03717]

Hei

Har lest litt her ,,og er selv på jakt etter hvor navnet bjerknes kommer fra ..er sikkert ikke noe her men,,leste at lillian kristiansen var i sørum og ,,Selv er jeg fra en slekt med det navnet ,,bare det at jeg finner veldig få menesker med dette "navnet"...min ..oldemor het det..hun er døpt i sørum,men gift i fredrikstad.Lurte på om det kunne være samme slekten.Det er ..noe "rare" innfor..her men hun het..valborg bjerknes fredriksen døpt i sørum 1855. hun giftet seg med olaves august jacobsen..hun står på et sted " valborg fredriksen døpt i sørum............min bestefar heter bjarne bjerknes jacobsen....min far brynjulf bjerknes jacobsen,,,så jeg har lett litt etter dette med bjerknes...da....men det er jo litt nytt for meg dette.... hadde planer om å finne henne i sørum...hvem..som står som far..noe jeg ikke har funnet ut.....vel..UNN (jacobsen)

[Vidar Sigurd Øverlie]

Hei Unn,

Siden du etterlyser nye personer som neppe har noen direkte tilknytning til Australia/NZ foreslår jeg at du starter en ny tråd. Kanskje forumet for Sørum passer best for din etterlysning.

[dn12117]

Hi Pip.

Sorry I let you wait so long, but I had to much for a while

I found Maren Pedersdatter Christening in Vinger - Eidskog is together with Vinger until 1858

Vinger Mini 8 1839 - 46 Christening number 188, page 164.

Maren Pedersdatter born 27 of June 1845, christening 17 of August 1845.
Smallholder Peder Nielsen Booerlie/Baaerlie and Marte Gulbrandsdatter.
Godparents: Arne Gundersen ?Haabøl, Tosten Larssen Skjerborg/berg, The childs parents and Sigri Oudensdatter Rinden/Runden.

I have not found the parents married in 1843 - I will take a second look to morrow

Now it´s time for some hours sleeping

[gj01576]

Thanks, Lillian.

I really appreciate your help.

[dn12117]

Hi Pip.

Marriage for Peder Nielsen and Marte Gulbrandsdatter

Vinger Mini 8 1839 - 46 Marriage number 36, page 328.

Marriage Date: 17 of April 1843

Widower Peder Nielsen, his born and living place: Baarlie, 51 years old, Father: Niels Christensen.
Single girl Marte Gulbrandsdatter, her bornplace: Steenøen, 24 years old, Father: Gulbrand Syversen.
Bestmen: Embret Embretsen Sigstnæsvangen and Erik Syversen Fjeldboe.

Announced before marriage: 5, 12 and 19 of February 1843.

He had natural smallpox, she is vaccinated.

His first wife is dead and legal administration of an estate is done. (I am not sure about how to translate this last - but in Norwegian it´s "Skifte" or "Skifteretten"

So far so god I think

If Vidar sees this, may be he has some other word or words for it

[Vidar Sigurd Øverlie]

Hi,

Skifte: probate

[gj01576]

Thank you, Lillian. This is great! I would never have guessed one of my ancestors had survived smallpox. Maybe his first wife did not?

Thanks, also, to Vidar for the translation help.

[gj01576]

A while back, Lillian posted the following information which can be found at this link:
Akershus fylke, Nes i Nes, Ministerialbok nr. I 8 (1859-1874), Utflyttede 1871, side 514
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-528
Page 514, Emigration 09 May (RHS)

...Laurits Larsen Bjerknes, born 2/4, christening 29/5 1842, confirmed 4/10 1857...

To New Zealand with Attest(Sertificate) of 3 June 1873. This man (Laurits) has return an early given emigration Attest to America of 3 May 1871.

Does this does this mean that he actually emigrated to America, or did he plan to go, but changed his plans? (He later emigrated to New Zealand (1873).)

Thanks.

[dn12117]

Hi Pip.

Emigration 1873

Their emigration in Churchbook for Nes: Mini I 8 1859 - 74, page 518 row no 3.


It´s 9. of may 1871 - not 3.

If I understand it correct - he never emigrated to Texas(America) - he returned this "Attest" of 9/5 1871.