Chris/Kristian Brevik i Vancouver 1916 (LØST)

[Kristin Øveraas]

SAKEN ER LØST - SE NEDERST! HAN KOM FRA BUD I ROMSDAL.

Jeg leter etter fødested og familie til fisker Chris/Kristian Brevik, som forliste ut fra Vancouver i januar 1916. Derfor fins han ikke gravført noe sted.

For hans 1916 Vancouveradresse (antakelig eier av huset) - se her: https://millymarmotprivate.wordpress.co ... -theories/

Han var gift, og kona reiste til Norge sommeren 1916, skriver konsulen i Vancouver. Der står ingenting om dette var et Norgesbesøk eller en retur for godt. Hun kalles bare Mrs. Brevik. Antar derfor at hun var norsk. Hun prøvde å saksøke rederiet sammen med tre andre enker etter samme forlis. De andre hadde tilhørighet til Sunnmøre. Kan være et spor, men må ikke. De kan i grunnen være fra hvor som helst i landet hvor det fins brede viker.

Siden UD ikke laget noen mappe for å informere norske arvinger, slik de gjorde for alle andre nordmenn om bord, er det sannsynlig at han og kona hadde skiftet statsborgerskap før 1916, eller i alle fall at hun hadde gjort det.

Chris var antakeligvis født rundt 1880-1890. Jeg har vært innom Kristian Robertsen Brevik fra Bud (emigrerte 1912), Anton Kristian Kristiansen Brevik (emigrerte 1913) og flere andre, men får dem ikke til å stemme.

Løsningen skal brukes til å erstatte oppføringen "Bravak, C." på dette monumentet med hans riktige navn og patronym:
https://millymarmotprivate.wordpress.co ... -memorial/
Eventuelt også til å spore opp slektninger for å informere om at momumentet eksisterer.

Håper noen har flere søkerettigheter enn meg!

[Astrid Mollan]

En mulighet?


Name: Christian Robertson Brevig
Gender: Male
Spouse: Elvine Wilhelmine Gusjaas
Marriage Date: 19 Oct 1913
Marriage Place: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
URL: http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Qu...

Gussås er i Romsdal

[Kristin Øveraas]

Absolutt en mulighet. Kunne du legge inn lenken på nytt - den vises bare delvis fra min side.

Ser på DIS gravminner at der fins en Elvine Wilhelmine Brevik f. 1881, død på Grefsen 1960. Det kunne jo passe. Særlig fordi hun ble gravlagt samme sted som
Gurine Gusjaas (1875-1948). Og Ft 1910 viser at de var søstre, bosatt i Kristiansund.

[Marit Lorvik Sørli]

Kandidat til kona i 1910 ?
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 6748005611

Elvine Vilhelmine
Dåp nr 117
Kildeinformasjon: Møre og Romsdal fylke, Kristiansund i Kristiansund, Ministerialbok nr. 572A13 (1880-1888), Fødte og døpte 1881, side 32.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-35

[Kristin Øveraas]

Ja, stemmer bra det. I så fall har vi en kar fra Bud som gifter seg i Canada med ei jente fra Kristiansund. De burde kunne være på talefot. Kanskje hennes norske familie kan si om de reiste videre til Vancouver. Hm...

[Astrid Mollan]

Jeg vet ikke om dette hjelper. http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/getting_married.html

[Astrid Mollan]

Du finner Gussiås her? Jeg tror det er mange etterkommere i Kristiansund.
http://sedak.ikamr.no/2014/sed0060-etc/ ... x.html#329

[Astrid Mollan]

Her drar han.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ge ... 0000727940

[Kristin Øveraas]

Det store spørsmålet er:
Kan vi finne at Christian Robertsen Brevik og Elvine Wilhelmine drar til Vancouver etter at de har giftet seg i Manitoba? Det er der lenken mangler et viktig ledd.

[Astrid Mollan]

Fødsel. Kildeinformasjon: Møre og Romsdal fylke, Hustad i Bud, Klokkerbok nr. 567C02 (1867-1886), Fødte og døpte 1883, side 106.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-111
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 041231.jpg

Du har vel bevis nok nå?

[dn27264]

Her drar han.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ge ... 0000727940

A few comments on this matter which might be of help in your search:

1. If the fellow that you are looking for is indeed the fellow noted in the link above, that is, Kristian Robertsen Brevik, you'll note (Reisemål: Amk Drayton No Dak) that he immigrated to the United States. More specifically, to Drayton in the State of North Dakota. If he ended up a fisherman in Vancouver, then he would have crossed the Canadian-American border sometime after his arrival in the United States. Thus, you should be able to find a Canadian immigration border-crossing form filled out on him.

2. If, as you suggest, he and his wife changed citizenship from Norwegian to British (at that time, Canadians were British subjects), then you should be able to find their naturalisation documents upon becoming naturalised British subjects. The index is housed with Library and Archives Canada, while copies of the records are housed with Citizenship and Immigration Canada. However, that no death registration was issued by the Province of British Columbia suggests that they might not have been naturalised British subjects.

3. There is a genealogical copy of the marriage registration showing their marriage in 1913, in the City of Winnipeg, in the Province of Manitoba, which you can order. This long-form registration will provide a great deal of information. Places of birth for the bride and bridegroom, dates of birth, names of parents, length of time living in the Province of Manitoba, etc. Seeing as the marriage occurred more than 80 years ago, you can order the long-form marriage registration (do not order the certificate as it is a different document) from Manitoba Ministry of Vital Statistics from the website already provided to you.

4. I would also think that seeing as the Onward Ho was a Canadian ship, based in Vancouver, and that the sinking took place off the coast of British Columbia, a search of the Royal British Columbia Archives would be in order. They might have something. Certainly the City of Vancouver newspapers would have recorded the sinking, and likely his wife's efforts to sue the shipping company.

5. You have found their address in Henderson's Directory. This directory was also published every year for most major Canadian cities, including Winnipeg. Digital copies for Winnipeg's Henderson Directory can be found online. If they married in Winnipeg (a good likelihood if Christian immigrated to Canada from the United States, seeing as the Province of Manitoba lies on the other side of the border, and north of North Dakota) then perhaps they lived there a while, so you might be able to find them in the Winnipeg Henderson Directory.

[Astrid Mollan]

https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/view ... hp?t=91127

[Kristin Øveraas]

Hi Erik,

Thanks for the comments. Some comments from me in the same order:

1. Yes, but as they got married in Canada, they might have travelled from Winnipeg to Vancouver without border crossings.

2. No death registrations due to two reasons: If this is the Chris that got lost at sea, he was not registrered as dead in Canada, as this was only done when a body was present; I have been told. And he was lost off Alaska, in deep waters. A person named Elvine Wilhelmine Brevik is registrered as dead in Oslo in 1960, and she is burried together with the actual Elvine's sister, so we are sure she must have returned to Norway at some point.

3. This could be interesting, but I trust the couple married in Winnipeg was the two persons we consider. What I wonder, is if they ever made it to Vancouver, or if the Chris Brevik in Vancouver is someone else.

4. We have searcher the Royal British Columbia Archives and the newspapers. They only have the name "Chris Brevik" or "C.Bravak". No additional information.

5. Yes, good idea. I have checked the Vancouver Directory. Christian Brevik is registrered there in 1915, 16 and 17, but not in 1914 or 1918. Probably People handed in their information in due time before a year started. The most interesting registration is the change from "Fisherman" in 1916 to "laborer" in 1917. This can be explained as it was Elvine who was a laborer at the address in 1917, but she kept the name Chris in the book. Then she might have moved home to Norway. Still to be checked.

[Kristin Øveraas]

Astrid - ja, din lenke går til min tidligere posting som gjelder andre mannskapsmedlemmer på samme båt. Disse har vi funnet opprinnelsen til i mellomtiden. Chris Brevik er en av de siste som gjenstår.

Hele mannskapslista ligger her, om noen er interessert (trill nedover):
https://millymarmotprivate.wordpress.co ... last-crew/

Jeg har problemer med å bla i Kristiansundsprotokollen. Skal prøve igjen i morra, med en annen browser. Godt mulig at den har noen navn å spinne videre på - jeg ser dem bare ikke mer enn halvveis akkurat nå. Godt tips!

[dn27264]

Thank you for your feedback to my comments. A bit of follow-up:

My first point (no. 1) was that if 'your' Christian Brevik turns out to be the same person as 'Kristian Robertsen Brevik', then he immigrated from Norway to Drayton, North Dakota, United States. At some point, he would have crossed the international border into Canada, meaning that a record with important information would have been kept by Canadian customs agents. The record would have likely stated why he was coming to Canada, as well other vital information, such as place and date of birth.

You are correct, movement of people between Canada's provinces has never required records to be kept. As a side note, if they travelled from Winnipeg to Vancouver, they would have travelled on either Canadian Pacific Railway or the Grand Truck Railway (later the Canadian National Railway).

As per your comment (no. 2), the Canadian government has always been quite serious about record-keeping, so I find it hard to believe that there is no record somewhere of his death (even if it was at sea, in foreign waters; in this case, American territorial waters), especially since it was the sinking of a Canadian shipped based in Vancouver. Also, Canada, by 1916, had already been involved in the First World War for two years, and the Canadian government at the time had a heightened sense of the need for keeping records of foreign activities along and near it coastlines (both Atlantic and Pacific). Since Christian died, as you note, in deep American waters off the coast of Alaska, I find it hard to believe that the Americans did not make some type some record kept since it happened in their territorial waters.

Also, a lot of Scandinavians settled in Manitoba and there was, and still is, a large commercial freshwater fishery located in the towns and cities of Lake Winnipeg. Perhaps, if the Christian Brevik in Vancouver is not 'your' Christian, he was living in Manitoba. There was a census of Canada's Prairie Provinces taken in 1916, if he and his wife were in Manitoba at that time, then they should have been enumerated. So you could also try that.

Just a few additional comments. I would, however, not give up on finding some sort of record of his death, be it one drafted by the Canadian government (despite the sinking in American territorial waters) or by the American government (seeing as the accident happened in American waters). It seems to me that with so many deaths, someone should have additional records.

[dn27264]

Here is a C Bravik crossing into Canada at the Coutts Border Crossing, Province of Alberta, on September 14, 1913. He is 27 years old, a farmer, and on his way to Lethbridge, also in Alberta. Is it a possibility, who knows.

[dn27264]

Here is Kristian Robertsen Brevik, arriving in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. It states that he is travelling further, to Drayton, North Dakota, United States.


Name: Kristian R Brevik
Birth Date: abt 1884
Birth Country: Norway
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Scandinavian
Arrival Date: 23 Apr 1911
Port of Arrival:
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Ship Name: Victorian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Residence Place: Nor
Residence Country: Nor
Record Type: Manifests
Line Number: 19

How he made it from Halifax to the United States and exactly when he crossed into the United States, I do not know, but this passenger-list record corresponds with the record of his departure from Norway, which Astrid found (http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000727940). The passenger record also provides the names of Kristian's father.

Astrid's record also shows that his new occupation (nytt yrke - farmarb) was that of a farm worker, which is the same occupation of the C Bravik crossing into Canada at Coutts, Alberta, from the United States.

[Paul Johan Hals]

Chris kan jo også være forkortelse for Christopher.
Det er tidligere identifisert to personer ombord i "Onward Ho" fra Hadsel kommune i Nordland. I Hadsel er det en gård med navn Bre(i)vik. Det er jo en liten mulighet for at det var tre personer fra Hadsel.

Mvh Paul

PS
Det er også en gård, Bervik samt en Bretvik. Sistnevnte gård ligger i nærheten av Sløveren og Strønstad, hvor de to identifiserte personene fra Hadsel kom fra.

[Astrid Mollan]

Kanskje du skulle legge spørsmålet under Fræna Møre og Romsdal med lenke hit. Var han fra Brevik gården bør noen vite noe om Kristian.

[Kristin Øveraas]

Paul - ja, Christoffer kunne det også være, men i adresselista for Vancouver står det Christian Brevik på gatelista og Chris Brevik på navnelista, så i første runde satser jeg på at Kristian er riktig.

Astrid - Jeg har funnet fram til en nåtidsslektning av Elvine Wilhelmine, så da prøver jeg telefonkontakt dit før jeg går videre med veien rundt Fræna, eventuelt andre alternativer.

Kommer tilbake straks Kristiansundssporet er sjekket!

[Kristin Øveraas]

CASE CLOSED!

Alle spor via Bud og Kristiansund og Nord-Dakota og Winnipeg var riktige. Den personen jeg fikk tak i, vise seg å være barnebarn av Chris og Elvine. Ingen arkivfunn viste at de hadde et barn, men det hadde de. Da Onward Ho forliste, dro mor og barn hjem til Norge og slo seg ned i Oslo.

Takk til alle gode hjelpere!