Hei.
Jeg har informasjon om når Olaf Salte f. 12.03.1907, Nærbø, Rogaland dro ifra Norge
Han reiste fra Stavanger 26.03.1926 (http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000385723)
Han ankom i Halifax, Kanada 11.04.1926 (http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists-border-entry-1925-1935/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=2185&)
Han døde 07.06.1999 og er gravlagt på Hå Kirke, Rogaland. (http://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/korrigering.php?id=2201381)
Jeg har hørt ifra Familien at han returnerte fra Kanada like før han døde i 1999. Det hadde ikke vært noen kontakt med han fra han reiste til han returnerte. Jeg ønsker derfor å prøve å finne ut litt om hans liv i Kanada, men så langt jeg har ikke funnet ut noen ting.
Er det mulig å finne noe om hans liv i Kanada fra 1926 til ca. 1997?
Olaf Salte, i Kanada
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Re: Olaf Salte, i Kanada
As you found, Olaf Salte arrived in the City of Halifax, Province of Nova Scotia, Dominion of Canada, on April 11, 1926. I have attached the passenger list on which he is listed. From it, you'll see that he is a 'landed immigrant' who likely intends to farm in Canada.
Upon his arrival, he travels by the Canadian National Railway to the City of Winnipeg. His contact person in Winnipeg is a man named P M Dahl whose address is 325 Logan Avenue. From the passenger list, several individuals list P M Dahl as their destination contact person.
In Winnipeg at that time, Logan Avenue was the heart of Winnipeg's Swedish community. Peder Martin Dahl was the editor of Canada's largest Norwegian-language newspaper, Nørrøna. He was also head of the Dahl Steamship Agency. He died in 1944.
That Olaf is headed to Peder Martin Dahl suggests that the latter was involved to some degree in Olaf's immigration. P M Dahl also worked for the Dominion Government in promoting immigration from Scandinavia (particularly Sweden and Norway) to Canada.
The address 325 Logan Avenue was the office location for both the Nørrøna and the Dahl Steamship Agency, not Dahl's home, meaning that Dahl was likely put up at a rooming house or bording house somewhere along Logan Ave.
What happened after his arrival in Winnipeg in 1926, remains to be found out.
Upon his arrival, he travels by the Canadian National Railway to the City of Winnipeg. His contact person in Winnipeg is a man named P M Dahl whose address is 325 Logan Avenue. From the passenger list, several individuals list P M Dahl as their destination contact person.
In Winnipeg at that time, Logan Avenue was the heart of Winnipeg's Swedish community. Peder Martin Dahl was the editor of Canada's largest Norwegian-language newspaper, Nørrøna. He was also head of the Dahl Steamship Agency. He died in 1944.
That Olaf is headed to Peder Martin Dahl suggests that the latter was involved to some degree in Olaf's immigration. P M Dahl also worked for the Dominion Government in promoting immigration from Scandinavia (particularly Sweden and Norway) to Canada.
The address 325 Logan Avenue was the office location for both the Nørrøna and the Dahl Steamship Agency, not Dahl's home, meaning that Dahl was likely put up at a rooming house or bording house somewhere along Logan Ave.
What happened after his arrival in Winnipeg in 1926, remains to be found out.
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Re: Olaf Salte, i Kanada
Thanks a lot Erik.
You got me 1 step further.
You got me 1 step further.
Re: Olaf Salte, i Kanada
I have found a lot of adverts in Winnipeg Free Press in the 60s..
Like this" LEADER UPHOLSTERING, RECOVERING, restyling, repairing. Free estimates, work guar. 338-0815. O. Salte"
Like this" LEADER UPHOLSTERING, RECOVERING, restyling, repairing. Free estimates, work guar. 338-0815. O. Salte"
Re: Olaf Salte, i Kanada
Hi Kenneth,
I'm from Winnipeg, so I'll try some other sources to see what I can find. You may also find some information in the other local newspaper, Winnipeg Tribune, as some of it has been digitised and is housed on the University og Manitoba website. He's likely in the Canadian census of 1931; however, Canadian censuses are only opened to the public after 95.5 years have passed.
I did not find him in the Homestead Indexes, nor does he appear to have become a naturalised British Subject, unless it happened after 1951, which is the last year that digitised records are currently available from Library and Archives Canada. If he had, you'd be able to a lot of information on him.
One source that I highly recommend and would contain a great deal of information on him is the 1940 National Registration (records held by Statistics Canada in Ottawa). You can find a list of the questions Canadians were asked by the Dominion Government. It was taken to obtain, amongst other things, an idea of the skills Canadians had, as of Canada's entry into the Second World War on September 10, 1939. It would hold information on his life in Canada from 1926 to 1940.
If I find more, I'll add it to your inquiry.
I'm from Winnipeg, so I'll try some other sources to see what I can find. You may also find some information in the other local newspaper, Winnipeg Tribune, as some of it has been digitised and is housed on the University og Manitoba website. He's likely in the Canadian census of 1931; however, Canadian censuses are only opened to the public after 95.5 years have passed.
I did not find him in the Homestead Indexes, nor does he appear to have become a naturalised British Subject, unless it happened after 1951, which is the last year that digitised records are currently available from Library and Archives Canada. If he had, you'd be able to a lot of information on him.
One source that I highly recommend and would contain a great deal of information on him is the 1940 National Registration (records held by Statistics Canada in Ottawa). You can find a list of the questions Canadians were asked by the Dominion Government. It was taken to obtain, amongst other things, an idea of the skills Canadians had, as of Canada's entry into the Second World War on September 10, 1939. It would hold information on his life in Canada from 1926 to 1940.
If I find more, I'll add it to your inquiry.
Re: Olaf Salte, i Kanada
Here are the questions that were asked of men:
1. Surname + Given Names
2. Permanent Postal Address (Street, Town, Province)
3. Age Last Birthday + Date of Birth (Year, month, day)
4. Conjugal Condition (Single, Married, Widowed, Divorced)
5. Of what dependants (if any) are you the sole support: Father, Mother, Wife, no. of children under 16, no. of other dependants, Do you contribute partial support to anyone?
6. Country of birth of Yourself (place for name) + Place, Your father (place for name) + Place, Your mother (place for name) + Place
7. Nationality or country of allegiance - British subject a) by birth? b) by naturalisation? c) Foreign citizen? d) If naturalised, in what year? e) in what place? f) if not British subject to what country do you owe allegiance? g) if an immigrant, what year did you enter Canada?
8. Racial origin
9. Language or Languages a) Do you speak English? b) French? c) What other languages can you speak, read and write?
10. Education. a) Primary only b) Primary and Secondary c) Vocation Training (Business College, Technical High School) d) College or University Degree?
11. Is your general health a) good b) fair c) bad
12. If blind, deaf, dumb, crippled, or otherwise physically disabled, state nature of the disability. If permanently disabled are you in receipt of a pension? In respect of War Service? Workmen's Compensation? Old age or blind? Other? (Specify)
13. Class of Occupation a) Are you an employer of labour other than domestic? If so, state business. b) Are you working on own account, but not employing labour? If so, state business. c) Are you an employee i) working at usual occupation ii) working at other than usual occupation iii) unemployed (d) Not working because pensioner, dependent, retired, independent means
14. Occupation or Craft and Years of Experience in: a) Present Occupation? b) What is your regular occupation? c) What other work can you do well? d) If an employee, who is your present employer? (Name, address, nature of business where employed - state precisely) e) If experienced in a skilled industrial occupation or profession, describe specifically the type or types of work in which you are specially equipped by training or experience
15. Unemployment a) How many weeks did you work in the past 12 months? b) If out of work now, state number of weeks since last employed in any occupation other than work performed in return for direct relief c) Are you totally incapacitated for employment?
16. (a1) Were you brought up on a farm? (a2) until what age? (b1) Have you worked on a farm? (b2) How long? (b3) In what province or country? (c1) Can you handle horses? (c2) Drive a tractor? (c3) use farm machinery? (c4) Can you milk? (c5) Are you able to do other farm work?
17. Is there any particular occupation in which you would like to be specially trained?
18. Defence Services: (1) Have you previously served in any Naval, Military or Air Forces? If so, state (a) Forces of what country (b) Approximate dates between which services performed (c) Unit (d) Rank held (2) If retired or discharged, give reasons therefor (3) Have you been rejected for military service in the present war? (a) Why? (b) Where?
Here are the questions asked of women:
1. Surname + Given Names
2. Permanent Postal Address (Street, Town, Province)
3. Age Last Birthday + Date of Birth (Year, month, day)
4. Conjugal Condition (Single, Married, Widowed, Divorced)
5. Of what dependants (if any) are you the sole support: Father, Mother, Husband, no. of children under 16, no. of other dependants, Do you contribute partial support to anyone?
6. Country of birth of Yourself (place for name) + Place, Your father (place for name) + Place, Your mother (place for name) + Place
7. Nationality or country of allegiance - British subject a) by birth? b) by naturalisation? c) Foreign citizen? d) If naturalised, in what year? e) in what place? f) if not British subject to what country do you owe allegiance? g) if an immigrant, what year did you enter Canada?
8. Racial origin
9. Language or Languages a) Do you speak English? b) French? c) What other languages can you speak, read and write?
10. Education. a) Primary only b) Primary and Secondary c) Vocational Training (Business College, Technical High School) d) College or University Degree?
11. Is your general health a) good b) fair c) bad
12. If blind, deaf, dumb, crippled, or otherwise physically disabled, state nature of the disability. If permanently disabled are you in receipt of a pension? In respect of War Service? Workmen's Compensation? Old age or blind? Other? (Specify)
13. Class of Occupation a) Are you an employer of labour other than domestic? If so, state business. b) Are you working on own account, but not employing labour? If so, state business. c) Are you an employee i) working at usual occupation ii) working at other than usual occupation iii) unemployed (d) Not working because pensioner, dependent, retired, independent means
14. Occupation or Craft and Years of Experience in: a) Present Occupation? b) What is your regular occupation? c) What other work can you do well? d) If an employee, who is your present employer? (Name, address, nature of business where employed - state precisely) e) If experienced in a skilled industrial occupation or profession, describe specifically the type or types of work in which you are specially equipped by training or experience
15. Unemployment a) How many weeks did you work in the past 12 months? b) If out of work now, state number of weeks since last employed in any occupation other than work performed in return for direct relief c) Are you totally incapacitated for employment?
16.State length of experience (in years) if any in: (a) General farming? (b) Truck farming? (c) Fruit farming? (d) Poultry farming? (e) Dairy farming? (f) Business establishments?
17. Can you (a) handle horses? (b) drive motor trucks? (c) drive an automobile? (d) Drive a tractor? (e) use farm machinery? (f) milk cows? (g) do plain cooking?
18. Indicate here any qualifications or practical experience which you possess, not already described
19.Is there any particular occupation in which you would like to be specially trained?
20.Do your circumstances permit you to serve in the present national crisis, by changing your present occupation to some other for which you are qualified? (a) Where you can return home daily? (b) Away from home?
As you can see, the 1940 National Registration has the potential to provide you with a lot of information.
1. Surname + Given Names
2. Permanent Postal Address (Street, Town, Province)
3. Age Last Birthday + Date of Birth (Year, month, day)
4. Conjugal Condition (Single, Married, Widowed, Divorced)
5. Of what dependants (if any) are you the sole support: Father, Mother, Wife, no. of children under 16, no. of other dependants, Do you contribute partial support to anyone?
6. Country of birth of Yourself (place for name) + Place, Your father (place for name) + Place, Your mother (place for name) + Place
7. Nationality or country of allegiance - British subject a) by birth? b) by naturalisation? c) Foreign citizen? d) If naturalised, in what year? e) in what place? f) if not British subject to what country do you owe allegiance? g) if an immigrant, what year did you enter Canada?
8. Racial origin
9. Language or Languages a) Do you speak English? b) French? c) What other languages can you speak, read and write?
10. Education. a) Primary only b) Primary and Secondary c) Vocation Training (Business College, Technical High School) d) College or University Degree?
11. Is your general health a) good b) fair c) bad
12. If blind, deaf, dumb, crippled, or otherwise physically disabled, state nature of the disability. If permanently disabled are you in receipt of a pension? In respect of War Service? Workmen's Compensation? Old age or blind? Other? (Specify)
13. Class of Occupation a) Are you an employer of labour other than domestic? If so, state business. b) Are you working on own account, but not employing labour? If so, state business. c) Are you an employee i) working at usual occupation ii) working at other than usual occupation iii) unemployed (d) Not working because pensioner, dependent, retired, independent means
14. Occupation or Craft and Years of Experience in: a) Present Occupation? b) What is your regular occupation? c) What other work can you do well? d) If an employee, who is your present employer? (Name, address, nature of business where employed - state precisely) e) If experienced in a skilled industrial occupation or profession, describe specifically the type or types of work in which you are specially equipped by training or experience
15. Unemployment a) How many weeks did you work in the past 12 months? b) If out of work now, state number of weeks since last employed in any occupation other than work performed in return for direct relief c) Are you totally incapacitated for employment?
16. (a1) Were you brought up on a farm? (a2) until what age? (b1) Have you worked on a farm? (b2) How long? (b3) In what province or country? (c1) Can you handle horses? (c2) Drive a tractor? (c3) use farm machinery? (c4) Can you milk? (c5) Are you able to do other farm work?
17. Is there any particular occupation in which you would like to be specially trained?
18. Defence Services: (1) Have you previously served in any Naval, Military or Air Forces? If so, state (a) Forces of what country (b) Approximate dates between which services performed (c) Unit (d) Rank held (2) If retired or discharged, give reasons therefor (3) Have you been rejected for military service in the present war? (a) Why? (b) Where?
Here are the questions asked of women:
1. Surname + Given Names
2. Permanent Postal Address (Street, Town, Province)
3. Age Last Birthday + Date of Birth (Year, month, day)
4. Conjugal Condition (Single, Married, Widowed, Divorced)
5. Of what dependants (if any) are you the sole support: Father, Mother, Husband, no. of children under 16, no. of other dependants, Do you contribute partial support to anyone?
6. Country of birth of Yourself (place for name) + Place, Your father (place for name) + Place, Your mother (place for name) + Place
7. Nationality or country of allegiance - British subject a) by birth? b) by naturalisation? c) Foreign citizen? d) If naturalised, in what year? e) in what place? f) if not British subject to what country do you owe allegiance? g) if an immigrant, what year did you enter Canada?
8. Racial origin
9. Language or Languages a) Do you speak English? b) French? c) What other languages can you speak, read and write?
10. Education. a) Primary only b) Primary and Secondary c) Vocational Training (Business College, Technical High School) d) College or University Degree?
11. Is your general health a) good b) fair c) bad
12. If blind, deaf, dumb, crippled, or otherwise physically disabled, state nature of the disability. If permanently disabled are you in receipt of a pension? In respect of War Service? Workmen's Compensation? Old age or blind? Other? (Specify)
13. Class of Occupation a) Are you an employer of labour other than domestic? If so, state business. b) Are you working on own account, but not employing labour? If so, state business. c) Are you an employee i) working at usual occupation ii) working at other than usual occupation iii) unemployed (d) Not working because pensioner, dependent, retired, independent means
14. Occupation or Craft and Years of Experience in: a) Present Occupation? b) What is your regular occupation? c) What other work can you do well? d) If an employee, who is your present employer? (Name, address, nature of business where employed - state precisely) e) If experienced in a skilled industrial occupation or profession, describe specifically the type or types of work in which you are specially equipped by training or experience
15. Unemployment a) How many weeks did you work in the past 12 months? b) If out of work now, state number of weeks since last employed in any occupation other than work performed in return for direct relief c) Are you totally incapacitated for employment?
16.State length of experience (in years) if any in: (a) General farming? (b) Truck farming? (c) Fruit farming? (d) Poultry farming? (e) Dairy farming? (f) Business establishments?
17. Can you (a) handle horses? (b) drive motor trucks? (c) drive an automobile? (d) Drive a tractor? (e) use farm machinery? (f) milk cows? (g) do plain cooking?
18. Indicate here any qualifications or practical experience which you possess, not already described
19.Is there any particular occupation in which you would like to be specially trained?
20.Do your circumstances permit you to serve in the present national crisis, by changing your present occupation to some other for which you are qualified? (a) Where you can return home daily? (b) Away from home?
As you can see, the 1940 National Registration has the potential to provide you with a lot of information.
Re: Olaf Salte, i Kanada
Kenneth skrev:I have found a lot of adverts in Winnipeg Free Press in the 60s..
Like this" LEADER UPHOLSTERING, RECOVERING, restyling, repairing. Free estimates, work guar. 338-0815. O. Salte"
Okay, I found a few of the advertisements you found and I think that the surname is 'Saltel' and not Salte. If he were to have changed the spelling of his surname it would likely be to 'Salt' rather than 'Saltel'. Also, I took a look at a few of the city directories for Winnipeg (The Henderson Directory). For those in the 1960s, I found a few individuals with the surname Saltel who worked as 'upholsters', perhaps they are even related to one another. I'm inclined to think that this family is not related to Olaf Salte.
The Henderson Directory for the City of Winnipeg was produced every year. I am including two links to the Directory and if you wish you can go through them to see if you can find a listing for Olaf Salte. If by chance you have or ever discover an address for him in Winnipeg you can look up the address too, which will list the name of the person living at that address. In other words, a name can be search, as well as an address. The Henderson Directory is a good source as it usually indicates other bits of information, such as occupation, when a person owns or rents the property, etc.
1920-1956:
http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/bibliography/921.4.html
1961-1965:
http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/bibliography/921.6.html
Re: Olaf Salte, i Kanada
Thanks again.
I think you are correct. It's an l after Salte.. I did have a look through the directory, and no one with the surname Salte.
I'll go forward with National Registration next..
Thanks a lot
I think you are correct. It's an l after Salte.. I did have a look through the directory, and no one with the surname Salte.
I'll go forward with National Registration next..
Thanks a lot
Re: Olaf Salte, i Kanada
I have been in contact with Statistical Information Service in Canada. with no luck.
To start with, the person I where asking about where to recent to be freed to an third part person like my self.
I could get access to 1916 documents, but he did not arrive to Canada until 1926.
with it comes to the 1940 National Registration Files I needed to provide 3 documents.
Proof that the individual has been dead for more than twenty years (He died in 1999), but this is not needed if it's more than 110 years from his bith (he was born in 1907)
I need his place of residence during the registration (don't have any idea)
and proof of payments.
I'll have to wait until 110 years has passed before I can get access to the database.. That leaves me around 1 year to find his address in Canada in 1940..
To start with, the person I where asking about where to recent to be freed to an third part person like my self.
I could get access to 1916 documents, but he did not arrive to Canada until 1926.
with it comes to the 1940 National Registration Files I needed to provide 3 documents.
Proof that the individual has been dead for more than twenty years (He died in 1999), but this is not needed if it's more than 110 years from his bith (he was born in 1907)
I need his place of residence during the registration (don't have any idea)
and proof of payments.
I'll have to wait until 110 years has passed before I can get access to the database.. That leaves me around 1 year to find his address in Canada in 1940..
Re: Olaf Salte, i Kanada
Hi,
Okay, I've looked at the requirements to obtain the 1940 National Registration information. Yes, 110 years have to pass since his birthday, so 2017. The 1916 information that the person from Statistics Canada mentions is likely the 1916 Dominion of Canada census. The 1921 Dominion census is also open now. All censuses are opened after 92.5 years have passed. These two censuses will not help you, but the 1931 census will, but it's not opened to the public till 2023, so that's a bit of a wait!
I will continue to try to find him for you. It seems to me that if his intention was to farm then he must have lived in one of the three Prairie Provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan or Manitoba). There was an additional census taken of these three provinces in 1926 (as th population of them was growing quickly and so the Canadian government did not want to wait till 1931 to find out the population size). He probably is recorded in this census, taken in the months after his arrival).
Once you have his address, and one year passes, then you can get the record. If you or I find the address before that time, I can contact Statistics Canada (full name is the Bureau of Statistics) for you to order if you like. The bottom line is that I think we can find him and obtain this record, it will just take a bit of sleuthing!
Let me know what you think.
Erik
Okay, I've looked at the requirements to obtain the 1940 National Registration information. Yes, 110 years have to pass since his birthday, so 2017. The 1916 information that the person from Statistics Canada mentions is likely the 1916 Dominion of Canada census. The 1921 Dominion census is also open now. All censuses are opened after 92.5 years have passed. These two censuses will not help you, but the 1931 census will, but it's not opened to the public till 2023, so that's a bit of a wait!
I will continue to try to find him for you. It seems to me that if his intention was to farm then he must have lived in one of the three Prairie Provinces (Alberta, Saskatchewan or Manitoba). There was an additional census taken of these three provinces in 1926 (as th population of them was growing quickly and so the Canadian government did not want to wait till 1931 to find out the population size). He probably is recorded in this census, taken in the months after his arrival).
Once you have his address, and one year passes, then you can get the record. If you or I find the address before that time, I can contact Statistics Canada (full name is the Bureau of Statistics) for you to order if you like. The bottom line is that I think we can find him and obtain this record, it will just take a bit of sleuthing!
Let me know what you think.
Erik
Re: Olaf Salte, i Kanada
Thanks again Erik.
Olaf had a brother named Ingolf. He went to USA in 1930, I have also found him on a ship in 1947. According to the family he enrolled with the military and shipped to Nord Africa in 1943. Later dropped in France and stood in Germany when the war ended. After his service was done in 1946 he went to his family in Norway, and tok the "Christmas ship" back to New York arriving 1. January 1947. He used to live in New Jersey, but died in Los Angeles, California 1996.
After his death the remains where shipped to Norway on his family's request, and buried in the family grave. The same Olaf later also will be buried in.
Just a thought.. would there be any records of boarder passing between USA and Canada between 1930 and 1996? either way.. Olaf might have gone to Ingolf in New Jersey or California. Or Ingolf might have gone to Olaf in Canada?
Olaf had a brother named Ingolf. He went to USA in 1930, I have also found him on a ship in 1947. According to the family he enrolled with the military and shipped to Nord Africa in 1943. Later dropped in France and stood in Germany when the war ended. After his service was done in 1946 he went to his family in Norway, and tok the "Christmas ship" back to New York arriving 1. January 1947. He used to live in New Jersey, but died in Los Angeles, California 1996.
After his death the remains where shipped to Norway on his family's request, and buried in the family grave. The same Olaf later also will be buried in.
Just a thought.. would there be any records of boarder passing between USA and Canada between 1930 and 1996? either way.. Olaf might have gone to Ingolf in New Jersey or California. Or Ingolf might have gone to Olaf in Canada?
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