Syver Hjalmar Kaspersen and The journey to America

[dn05981]

Syver Hjalmar Kaspersen and Kristian Kaspersen
The journey to America
Syver Hjalmar Kaspersen was born 13. March 1879 (hereaftersimply called Hjalmar) and his older brother Kristian Kaspersen was born 6 December 1876, traveled in late summer 1904 too USA. The reason for them traveled is not known today. But I know that Hjalmar had a child outside the marriage and the child was born 21. January 1904, with the service girl, Ragna Anders Daughter, Skulerud. Hjalmar and Kristian worked as the Tailors on Skulerud in Søndre Høland, Norway.
As far as I know had Hjalmar at this time began a relationship with my great-grandmother Antonette Emile Adolfs Daughter. It's also been told me that Hjalmar had been visiting Antonette , and told her that he was going to America, and asked nicely if she could not wait and get married until he came back. When he had a child from before, which at that time was called a”loose cid”? (That is, the cid was born outside of marriage.) Would not Antonette come with any promises that she would not marry any other cause Hjalmar came home?

According to the church books in Høland, Hjalmar and Kristian left Høland, Norway den 22. August 1904, and was going to Stavanger. 26. August 1904 they traveled from Stavanger to Liverpool with the boat "Montebello". The 4.September the same year went on the journey from Liverpool to New York with the boat S.S. CEDERIC. According to the information I have found on Ellis Island was the destination for the trip Fargo in North Dakota and that there was going to their "brother in law" Otto Jørgensen. The problem is that it had no "brother in law" with the name Otto Jørgensen.

It may seem as Hjalmar and Kristian traveled with a Kristian Jørgensen. He was the U.S. citizens when in 1904, but born in Holand, Norway, the following documentation on Ellis Island. Kristian Jørgensen their goals for the trip was Hunboel - Ra Mr House, Chicago, Illinois, and that his travel was paid by a Clary Iona.

I have found an Otto Jørgensen born Skåre in Holand, Norway in the 1860's, and he shall be tremenning of their mother Kjerstin Kristian Daughter Dalen. These data, I have not been confirmed at this time.
But I know with certainty that it had a grand uncle Albert Pedersen born 1794 in Holand, Norway. And they also had a business treme Anette Andreas Daughter born on Kleiva, Holand, Norway, and she was married to Julius Kristiansen, Brøtmet, Holand, Norway.

It is unknown to me about them ever came to Fargo in North Dakota, it is quite unknown to us descendants what it did while it was in North America.
Kristian come back from America in the autumn of 1907, and Hjalmar probably come back during the 1910 and it was said that Hjalmar came home to Norway to marry, such as travel and over again in 1912, together with his wife's sister Hilda Marie and her children. Hilda man Anders Olsen had gone over something before.

There was no new trip to the USA for Hjalmar, the basis for it was that his father-in-law refused to let Antonette travel, because of a bad heart.

After a time took Hjalmar and Antonnette over the farm after her father, and it is in me that Hjalmar sent letters to America, and asked someone to sell the assets, he should have been in a river or a shipping company. But if this is true is also completely unknown today.

My grandmother was the daughter of Hjalmar and Antonnette has told some stories she has heard, and one episode she bet is perfect mark in the time she was 7 -8 years old, and it was one of the few times she could remember her father angry. She had found an American magazine or a newspaper, which she had begun to look at. Inside this magazine, she had found a picture of a little girl. And asked her father "do you think she looks like me." Hjalmar had been so angry and took the folded newspaper in the furnaces, so that it burned up.

Another thing she said was:
Kristian and Hjalmar was on the way to the north east of the USA or Canada, where you were shown in gold digging. Hester had you not so it was the legs that had to be used, when you had come out in no man's land and it had a little lid on the afternoon, it suddenly slim. They were then shelled in from a place nearby. Hjalmar and Kristian had begun to scream and tried to explain that you were out in the peaceful intentions. Not because it was screaming at the Norwegian came a reaction. It turned out, and be a Swede who was afraid to be robbed and killed due to the horse he had with him. It was cutie brother and much nice talk from the Swedish side and the food was also served.

On the way parliament came of them also fine clothes that someone had left behind. They were Tailors of occupation, so here it could be the opportunity to earn some dollars. They gathered them together it could carry and the way forward. After a few miles so understood them why the clothes had been left behind.

I have a hope that someone can help me find some information, or tell me where I can find information about the time they was in America. Or any kind of information about the others mentioned in this letter.

Best regards
Geir Atle Lie
Bukkebo
1970 Hemnes in Høland
Norway
[email protected]

[Margit R Bakke]

He was NOT going to see Otto Jørgenson. Read it again, the name above Fargo, ND is the person he was going to see. Louis Paulson?????

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Lyver Hjalma Caspersen
Arrival Date: 12 Sep 1904
Birth Year: abt 1879
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cedric
Search Ship Database: Search the Cedric in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

[Gunhild-Juliane Kåsene]

Folketellinga i 1910

http://da.digitalarkivet.no/ft/person/pf01036379002817/

Står han emigrerte i 1904 og kom tilbake i 1909, siste bosted er Washington. Han er skredder.

[Gunhild-Juliane Kåsene]

Fant en på Ancestry.com som har en Syver Hjalmar Caspersen født i 1879 i sitt slektstre. Har sendt han en melding og ber han se innom denne tråden jeg har ikke tilgang til slektstreet siden han har lagt den som privat.

[Gunhild-Juliane Kåsene]

It is unknown to me about them ever came to Fargo in North Dakota, it is quite unknown to us descendants what it did while it was in North America.
Kristian come back from America in the autumn of 1907, and Hjalmar probably come back during the 1910 and it was said that Hjalmar came home to Norway to marry, such as travel and over again in 1912, together with his wife's sister Hilda Marie and her children. Hilda man Anders Olsen had gone over something before.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Hilda Olsen
Name: Hilda Olsen
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1912
Birth Year: abt 1881
Birth Location: Norway
Birth Location Other: hóland
Age: 31
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: C F Tietgen

Barna heter Astrid (6 år), Thorsten (3 år) og Ella (6 mnd). Hilda's svigerinne er også med over i 1912, Borghild Olsen (23 år).

Det står også at de skal til Chicago.

[dn05981]

Thank you for all help, I shall read it again.

[dn05981]

Tusen takk da viser det seg at han kom hjem noe tidliger en hva jeg trodde

[dn05981]

Tusen takk for hjelpe til Gunhild og Margitt, setter meget stor pris på denne hjelpen.