York for a moment). You have to know what the designation was when the title
was created.
You have heir male of the body of the person getting the title. Sometimes
also in line are a specific brother and his male line descendants. You have
heir male of the person getting the title, this can mean that the title ends
up with male line descendats of a great uncle (and evern further removed).
Probably the most convoluted is the order for the Duke of Somerset title. If
I remember correctly the title has to go to
1.male line descendants of Edward Seymour's second marriage
2.male line descendants of his 1st marriage with the exception of his eldest
son, who did not have descendants anyway
3.when all male lines are exhausted than to female line descendants.
At the moment we are with group 2.
My guess is that Elizabeth of York _was_ heir. Henry VII married her because
she was the senior heir of the House of York.
She was heir when she was born until her brother Edward V was born and then
became heir again after the disappearance of her two brothers. The mother of
Henry VII signed herself as though she was queen, implying that she _really_
should have been queen before her son.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hovite" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Was Elizabeth of York Heiress to the Throne?
On Feb 2, 1:04 pm, "Mike Stone" <[email protected]> wrote:
I've seen a couple of websites in which Elizabeth of York, eldest
daughter
of Edward IV, is described as having been heiress-presumoptive to the
throne
from her birth in 1466 until her father's deposition in 1470, or if we
take
a strictly Yorkist perspective, until her brother was born later that
same
year.
Is this information reliable?
That rather depends on the websites. Would you care to name them? Some
websites are unreliable.
In English law, heir means heir general, and some peerages descend to
heirs general rather than to heirs male because the original grant
does not include the word male.
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