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scanbar · Legg inn av **scanbar** » 10. april 2007 kl. 22.20

Sorry, My Michelsen was Norwegian.

Good luck

Barbara

Hugh Watkins · Legg inn av **Hugh Watkins** » 10. april 2007 kl. 22.52

scanbar wrote:

Sorry, My Michelsen was Norwegian.

Good luck

Barbara

and what ship(s) did they come to USA on and when ?

then contact the norwegians

Genealogy Society of Norway - DIS
The Genealogy Society of Norway - DIS (Norwegian name: "DIS-Norge") was
founded January 12, 1990. There are about 8000 members (2006) and the
membership ...
http://www.disnorge.no/eng/index.html -

HUgh W

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scanbar · Legg inn av **scanbar** » 11. april 2007 kl. 14.38

I wish I knew - I think he swam!:}

His Naturalization papers indicate he immigrated in at least 5 years before
1900.:}

My porblem has been wanting to believe he was from Oslo and was an only
child, but I have verbal information from an elderly uncle whose mind was
not always functioning correctly, that he had a sister.

His name, to me, was Carl Ludwig Emil Michelsenbut with so many spelling
variations and possiblities of patronymic naming, I am at a loss. There was
one family in Drammen whose father was Karl Ludwig Mikkelsen/Michelsen and
there were about 4 or 5 children with one whose name is listed as Charles
Emil Mikkelsen/Mikkelsen.

I have to really stretch to make Charles, Carl.:}

Thanks
Barbara
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Subject: Re: Mickelson/Michelsen/Pedersen

scanbar wrote:

Sorry, My Michelsen was Norwegian.

Good luck

Barbara

and what ship(s) did they come to USA on and when ?

then contact the norwegians

Genealogy Society of Norway - DIS
The Genealogy Society of Norway - DIS (Norwegian name: "DIS-Norge") was
founded January 12, 1990. There are about 8000 members (2006) and the
membership ...
http://www.disnorge.no/eng/index.html -

HUgh W

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http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

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Sherman · Legg inn av **Sherman** » 11. april 2007 kl. 14.58

The verbal history of my family names turns out to be quite different that
what I've discovered. Keep looking, keep an open mind. Another branch
where I'd run into a brick wall turned out to have been due to a major
spelling change which evidently was to deny Jewish roots, with at the time,
was unpopular in a primarily German community...

Sherman.

"scanbar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

I wish I knew - I think he swam!:}

His Naturalization papers indicate he immigrated in at least 5 years
before 1900.:}

My porblem has been wanting to believe he was from Oslo and was an only
child, but I have verbal information from an elderly uncle whose mind was
not always functioning correctly, that he had a sister.

His name, to me, was Carl Ludwig Emil Michelsenbut with so many spelling
variations and possiblities of patronymic naming, I am at a loss. There
was one family in Drammen whose father was Karl Ludwig Mikkelsen/Michelsen
and there were about 4 or 5 children with one whose name is listed as
Charles Emil Mikkelsen/Mikkelsen.

I have to really stretch to make Charles, Carl.:}

Thanks
Barbara
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh Watkins" <[email protected]
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To: <[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Mickelson/Michelsen/Pedersen

scanbar wrote:

Sorry, My Michelsen was Norwegian.

Good luck

Barbara

and what ship(s) did they come to USA on and when ?

then contact the norwegians

Genealogy Society of Norway - DIS
The Genealogy Society of Norway - DIS (Norwegian name: "DIS-Norge") was
founded January 12, 1990. There are about 8000 members (2006) and the
membership ...
http://www.disnorge.no/eng/index.html -

HUgh W

--

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http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

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scanbar · Legg inn av **scanbar** » 11. april 2007 kl. 15.14

Thanks for that bit of information- It had not occured to me.

I have very early MA roots Mayflower and shortly afterward, and there is a
name there that I have been wondering about - Moyses
Simonson/Simons/Simmons/Symons and others. He lived in Holland and joined
the "Pilgrim" church there and "was considered one of them".

Baarbara
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherman" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.nordic
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Mickelson/Michelsen/Pedersen

The verbal history of my family names turns out to be quite different that
what I've discovered. Keep looking, keep an open mind. Another branch
where I'd run into a brick wall turned out to have been due to a major
spelling change which evidently was to deny Jewish roots, with at the
time, was unpopular in a primarily German community...

Sherman.

"scanbar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I wish I knew - I think he swam!:}

His Naturalization papers indicate he immigrated in at least 5 years
before 1900.:}

My porblem has been wanting to believe he was from Oslo and was an only
child, but I have verbal information from an elderly uncle whose mind was
not always functioning correctly, that he had a sister.

His name, to me, was Carl Ludwig Emil Michelsenbut with so many spelling
variations and possiblities of patronymic naming, I am at a loss. There
was one family in Drammen whose father was Karl Ludwig
Mikkelsen/Michelsen and there were about 4 or 5 children with one whose
name is listed as Charles Emil Mikkelsen/Mikkelsen.

I have to really stretch to make Charles, Carl.:}

Thanks
Barbara
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh Watkins" <[email protected]
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.nordic
To: <[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Mickelson/Michelsen/Pedersen

scanbar wrote:

Sorry, My Michelsen was Norwegian.

Good luck

Barbara

and what ship(s) did they come to USA on and when ?

then contact the norwegians

Genealogy Society of Norway - DIS
The Genealogy Society of Norway - DIS (Norwegian name: "DIS-Norge") was
founded January 12, 1990. There are about 8000 members (2006) and the
membership ...
http://www.disnorge.no/eng/index.html -

HUgh W

--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
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old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

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Hugh Watkins · Legg inn av **Hugh Watkins** » 11. april 2007 kl. 19.06

scanbar wrote:

Thanks for that bit of information- It had not occured to me.

I have very early MA roots Mayflower and shortly afterward, and there is
a name there that I have been wondering about - Moyses
Simonson/Simons/Simmons/Symons and others. He lived in Holland and
joined the "Pilgrim" church there and "was considered one of them".

wrong group

but some english dissenters went to the Netherlands for a time

Hugh W

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Beta blogger
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Hugh Watkins · Legg inn av **Hugh Watkins** » 11. april 2007 kl. 19.46

scanbar wrote:

I wish I knew - I think he swam!:}

His Naturalization papers indicate he immigrated in at least 5 years
before 1900.:}

and exact date of birth please
names of children and grand children may give clue too

Danish personal names and naming FAQ
http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/FAQ/names.html

this norwegian webmaster keeps moving this page
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm

Virtual Reference Library http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/library/index.html

My porblem has been wanting to believe he was from Oslo and was an only
child, but I have verbal information from an elderly uncle whose mind
was not always functioning correctly, that he had a sister.

His name, to me, was Carl Ludwig Emil Michelsenbut with so many spelling
variations and possiblities of patronymic naming, I am at a loss. There
was one family in Drammen whose father was Karl Ludwig
Mikkelsen/Michelsen and there were about 4 or 5 children with one whose
name is listed as Charles Emil Mikkelsen/Mikkelsen.

I have to really stretch to make Charles, Carl.:}

Cognates was the word I was looking for

Karl Charles Carl = freeman

German and English: old-fashioned German spelling variant of Karl, the
German version of Charles. It is now increasingly used in
English-speaking countries, and for some reason is particularly popular
in Wales.

A Dictionary of First Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0192800507

Karl
German and Scandinavian form of Charles, now also used to some extent in
the English-speaking world. The perennial popularity of this name in the
German-speaking world was reinforced by the fact that it was an
aristocratic and royal name from an early date, being borne, for
example, by no less than seven Austrian emperors. Its status as an
imperial name is reflected in the fact that the Polish, Czech, and
Hungarian vocabulary words for “emperor” are derived from the personal
name: król, král, and király respectively. See also Carl. Pet form: Kalle.

Cognates: Dutch, Czech: Karel. Polish: Karol.

Hungarian: Károly. See also Charles.

Feminine forms: German, Scandinavian: Karla See also Carla.

A Dictionary of First Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0192800507

Karl
German and Scandinavian form of Charles, now also used to some extent in
the English-speaking world. The perennial popularity of this name in the
German-speaking world was reinforced by the fact that it was an
aristocratic and royal name from an early date, being borne, for
example, by no less than seven Austrian emperors. Its status as an
imperial name is reflected in the fact that the Polish, Czech, and
Hungarian vocabulary words for “emperor” are derived from the personal
name: król, král, and király respectively. See also Carl. Pet form: Kalle.

Cognates: Dutch, Czech: Karel. Polish: Karol.

Hungarian: Károly. See also Charles.

Feminine forms: German, Scandinavian: Karla See also Carla.
A Dictionary of First Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0192800507

more cogantes

George Jørgen Jurgen

John Johan Jens Johannes

enjoy
Hugh W

Thanks
Barbara
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Watkins" <[email protected]
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.nordic
To: <[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Mickelson/Michelsen/Pedersen

scanbar wrote:

Sorry, My Michelsen was Norwegian.

Good luck

Barbara

and what ship(s) did they come to USA on and when ?

then contact the norwegians

Genealogy Society of Norway - DIS
The Genealogy Society of Norway - DIS (Norwegian name: "DIS-Norge") was
founded January 12, 1990. There are about 8000 members (2006) and the
membership ...
http://www.disnorge.no/eng/index.html -

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http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

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"scanbar" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
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Sorry, My Michelsen was Norwegian.

Good luck

Barbara

But mine relatives were Danish. Mikkelsen is also a common name in Norway!
Holger

Arlene · Legg inn av **Arlene** » 27. juli 2007 kl. 21.28

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Hope it helps. Arlene

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Juha · Legg inn av **Juha** » 29. juli 2007 kl. 15.05

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Joe Pessarra · Legg inn av **Joe Pessarra** » 4. september 2007 kl. 20.55

"Ken Junttonen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Could someone please translate this to english for me?

Thank you
Ken

You sent nothing to translate. Try again.

Joe in Texas

Kurt · Legg inn av **Kurt** » 4. september 2007 kl. 22.10

"Ken Junttonen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Oops sorry, here it is.

Kangoinen i Kangos. Släkten är en gren av släkten Lainio. Bomärket
användes 1783 av Olof Josefsson Kangoinen (1726-1797

This is Swedish. Kangos is a small hamlet in northern Sweden.
Kangoinen are probably Lapps and the owners mark was the marking on
the family´s reindeers ears.

"Kangoinen in Kangos. The family is a part of the family Lainio. The
owner's mark was used 1783 by Olof Josefsson Kangoinen. (1726-1797"

Camicie Nere · Legg inn av **Camicie Nere** » 4. september 2007 kl. 22.36

Kurt wrote:

"Ken Junttonen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Oops sorry, here it is.

Kangoinen i Kangos. Släkten är en gren av släkten Lainio. Bomärket
användes 1783 av Olof Josefsson Kangoinen (1726-1797

This is Swedish. Kangos is a small hamlet in northern Sweden.
Kangoinen are probably Lapps and the owners mark was the marking on
the family´s reindeers ears.

"Kangoinen in Kangos. The family is a part of the family Lainio. The
owner's mark was used 1783 by Olof Josefsson Kangoinen. (1726-1797"

are you sure?

what i make of it is that Kangolainen is a big gypsy familainen.. not
lappsilainen.

Kurt · Legg inn av **Kurt** » 5. september 2007 kl. 9.35

"Camicie Nere" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Kurt wrote:
"Ken Junttonen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Oops sorry, here it is.

Kangoinen i Kangos. Släkten är en gren av släkten Lainio.
Bomärket
användes 1783 av Olof Josefsson Kangoinen (1726-1797

This is Swedish. Kangos is a small hamlet in northern Sweden.
Kangoinen are probably Lapps and the owners mark was the marking
on
the family´s reindeers ears.

"Kangoinen in Kangos. The family is a part of the family Lainio.
The
owner's mark was used 1783 by Olof Josefsson Kangoinen.
(1726-1797"

are you sure?

what i make of it is that Kangolainen is a big gypsy familainen..
not
lappsilainen.

Of course I can´t be sure, but as many families in the northermost
part of Sweden have Finnish-like names, I believe my interpretation is
more correct.

BTW You can go to http://www.kangos.com/ and get more information on
Kangos.

Kurt F

Camicie Nere · Legg inn av **Camicie Nere** » 5. september 2007 kl. 12.37

Kurt wrote:

"Camicie Nere" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Kurt wrote:
"Ken Junttonen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Oops sorry, here it is.

Kangoinen i Kangos. Släkten är en gren av släkten Lainio.
Bomärket
användes 1783 av Olof Josefsson Kangoinen (1726-1797
This is Swedish. Kangos is a small hamlet in northern Sweden.
Kangoinen are probably Lapps and the owners mark was the marking
on
the family´s reindeers ears.

"Kangoinen in Kangos. The family is a part of the family Lainio.
The
owner's mark was used 1783 by Olof Josefsson Kangoinen.
(1726-1797"

are you sure?

what i make of it is that Kangolainen is a big gypsy familainen..
not
lappsilainen.

Of course I can´t be sure, but as many families in the northermost
part of Sweden have Finnish-like names, I believe my interpretation is
more correct.

BTW You can go to http://www.kangos.com/ and get more information on
Kangos.

Kurt F

It´s just that Josefsson is a family name taken by a gypsy family /clan
consisting of finish gypsies living in Sweden, so that´s the reason of
why i saw another plausible outcome then yours. However you might be
absolutely right even though have have my doubts..

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Johnno,

First, re surname. The use of the father's first name as the son's
surname ceased at different times in Norway. There was an official
cut-off date but (in actuality) each area was different. Your wife's
g-grandfather came from a built-up area not far from Oslo: his family
was probably far ahead of my family (in rural Vest-Agder) in this practice.

Secondly, Karl's birth. You really should pursue that immigration
information. It will hone in exactly on the Karl Petersen that you
want. Only a fraction of the information available is actually up on
the web so you may find yourself biddling through
microfilm/microfiche registers and passenger lists. I don't know
much (anything) about doing genealogical research in Australia but in
US there are back-up sources (such as poor house records, maritime
rosters and community records)--and there probably are there too. If
you are new to genealogy, why not check the Australian GenWeb site to
see what sort of resources you have? http://www.australiagenweb.org/

You can biddle through the emigration records for major Norwegian
ports that are posted on Digitalarkiv; Fredrikstad is one of the
ports there (1883-1890). And/or you can fuss around with the
Norwegian censuses (also on Digitalarkiv). Lastly, there are many
scanned Norwegian churchbooks online; the emigrant rolls and the
census records will give you an approximate date of birth but the
churchbooks will give you the exact date. You may make a likely
identification but remember that, without solid immigration research,
you are taking the chance of committing the next few years of your
life tracking down the wrong person's family!

You've got a lot of information already and may use it to work your
way backwards and forwards between the online Norwegian sources and
Australian records. You're off to a good start and have a terrific
chance to nail this down.

Barbara Gunvaldsen

At 03:00 AM 10/12/2007, you wrote:

I thought his father would have the first
name Peter. Am I correct? Also, is anyone able to help me to try to find
information on Karls' birth, and of his parents' marriage? BTW, I have tried
looking up the LDS, and also my states' Public Record Office to try to get
emigration information, to no avail.

Johnno · Legg inn av **Johnno** » 12. oktober 2007 kl. 21.14

Thank you very much Barbara. I will keep trying to get the immigration
information. Once I get a bit more to go on, I will likely re post and ask
some further questions. In the meantime I will be lurking here and trying to
pick up a bit of an idea of other customs, traditions etc. Again thank you.
Johnno.
jstt at alphalink dot com dot au"

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Johnno,

First, re surname. The use of the father's first name as the son's
surname ceased at different times in Norway. There was an official
cut-off date but (in actuality) each area was different. Your wife's
g-grandfather came from a built-up area not far from Oslo: his family was
probably far ahead of my family (in rural Vest-Agder) in this practice.

Secondly, Karl's birth. You really should pursue that immigration
information. It will hone in exactly on the Karl Petersen that you want.
Only a fraction of the information available is actually up on the web so
you may find yourself biddling through microfilm/microfiche registers and
passenger lists. I don't know much (anything) about doing genealogical
research in Australia but in US there are back-up sources (such as poor
house records, maritime rosters and community records)--and there probably
are there too. If you are new to genealogy, why not check the Australian
GenWeb site to see what sort of resources you have?
http://www.australiagenweb.org/

You can biddle through the emigration records for major Norwegian ports
that are posted on Digitalarkiv; Fredrikstad is one of the ports there
(1883-1890). And/or you can fuss around with the Norwegian censuses (also
on Digitalarkiv). Lastly, there are many scanned Norwegian churchbooks
online; the emigrant rolls and the census records will give you an
approximate date of birth but the churchbooks will give you the exact
date. You may make a likely identification but remember that, without
solid immigration research, you are taking the chance of committing the
next few years of your life tracking down the wrong person's family!

You've got a lot of information already and may use it to work your way
backwards and forwards between the online Norwegian sources and Australian
records. You're off to a good start and have a terrific chance to nail
this down.

Barbara Gunvaldsen

At 03:00 AM 10/12/2007, you wrote:
I thought his father would have the first
name Peter. Am I correct? Also, is anyone able to help me to try to find
information on Karls' birth, and of his parents' marriage? BTW, I have
tried
looking up the LDS, and also my states' Public Record Office to try to get
emigration information, to no avail.

Evva Benson · Legg inn av **Evva Benson** » 24. oktober 2007 kl. 23.28

Dear Gen-Nordic mailing list,

I hope this is appropriate to send out to the mailing list. I wanted to make everyone aware of an opportunity to learn years' worth of Scandinavian research strategies and skills in a week's time period. There will be a Scadinavian research course taught at the upcoming Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy, January 7-11, 2008 at the Radisson hotel in downtown Salt Lake City. The Radisson is only two blocks from the Family History Library, and classes will end by early afternoon each day in order to allow plenty of research time. Here is the course description:
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Gjest · Legg inn av **Gjest** » 31. oktober 2007 kl. 0.25

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gj01709 · Legg inn av **gj01709** » 18. november 2007 kl. 15.39

Lafe Nelson wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.nordic, aus.culture.gothic,
de.sci.astronomie,fr.sci.astronomie,
alt.bainaries.pictures.erotica.black.female
To: <[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:31 AM
Subject: MI5 Persecution: Clapham South 17/2/00 (14247)

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Where is the Gen_Nordic Administrator?????
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There is very littlte to do since this is posted on

soc.genealogy.nordic, not on this list.

His address is put on block list.

gj01709 · Legg inn av **gj01709** » 18. november 2007 kl. 15.45

Be Gunelson wrote:

Have received a series of about 6 of these "things" through your website.
Could you please put a stop to them?

Yes. By stopping the gateway to soc.genealogy.nordic.

Interested?

Lafe Nelson · Legg inn av **Lafe Nelson** » 18. november 2007 kl. 15.47

Thank you for blocking this person.
However, I just received another message from him.
11-18-2007 8:45 am cdt.

Lafe Nelson

Lafe Nelson wrote:
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From: <[email protected]
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.nordic, aus.culture.gothic,
de.sci.astronomie,fr.sci.astronomie,
alt.bainaries.pictures.erotica.black.female
To: <[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:31 AM
Subject: MI5 Persecution: Clapham South 17/2/00 (14247)

*****************************************************
Where is the Gen_Nordic Administrator?????
****************************************************

There is very littlte to do since this is posted on
soc.genealogy.nordic, not on this list.

His address is put on block list.

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Lafe Nelson · Legg inn av **Lafe Nelson** » 18. november 2007 kl. 15.49

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alf Christophersen" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: MI5 Persecution: tinker tailor wanker thief 2/12/00 (20772)

Be Gunelson wrote:
Have received a series of about 6 of these "things" through your website.
Could you please put a stop to them?

Yes. By stopping the gateway to soc.genealogy.nordic.
***************************************************************

YES! How is it done ??

Lafe
*******************************************************************

Interested?

gj01709 · Legg inn av **gj01709** » 18. november 2007 kl. 15.59

Lafe Nelson wrote:

Thank you for blocking this person.
However, I just received another message from him.

Sorry to say, I can only block him from posting directly on this list
which has been done.

I have no rights ever to block him from posting on News. He crossposts
to several groups there and it is theirs responsibility to remove him or
bar him from misusing News.

The only thing I could do is bringing this lists communcitation to
soc.genealogy.nordic to an end, or, ask this list to be finished in
order to save users from being spammed.

Dave Hinz · Legg inn av **Dave Hinz** » 18. november 2007 kl. 17.36

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:45:46 +0100, Alf Christophersen <[email protected]> wrote:

Be Gunelson wrote:
Have received a series of about 6 of these "things" through your website.
Could you please put a stop to them?

Yes. By stopping the gateway to soc.genealogy.nordic.
Interested?

I hardly think breaking an effective mechanism because of one
troll/spammer is a valid answer. So much easier to killfile the sender,
and to adjust the gateway to reject crossposts. A one-line regular
expression syntax will do the trick:
Newsgroups: *,*,*
....will filter out anything crossposted to 3 or more groups. Subtract a
,* to filter out _any_ crossposts, but that may be unneeded and too
restrictive.

So much better to use a method like that, than to break the gateway that
works so well, most people aren't aware that exists until a minor
problem like this comes up.

Be Gunelson · Legg inn av **Be Gunelson** » 18. november 2007 kl. 17.40

Alf
And how is that done? I keep getting these things, two more today.

Be
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alf Christophersen" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: MI5 Persecution: tinker tailor wanker thief 2/12/00 (20772)

Be Gunelson wrote:
Have received a series of about 6 of these "things" through your website.
Could you please put a stop to them?

Yes. By stopping the gateway to soc.genealogy.nordic.

Interested?

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Dave Hinz · Legg inn av **Dave Hinz** » 18. november 2007 kl. 17.45

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:40:09 -0600, Be Gunelson <[email protected]> wrote:

Alf
And how is that done? I keep getting these things, two more today.

Rootsweb, who owns the usenet to email gateway, would need to adjust
their filter. If the connection is severed, you'll lose much of the
traffic that you don't even know comes from Usenet. Fixing the gateway
to ignore crossposts is more effective and doesn't punish the group for
the misbehavior of the spammer/troll.

Hugh Watkins · Legg inn av **Hugh Watkins** » 18. november 2007 kl. 18.01

"Be Gunelson" <[email protected]> skrev i en meddelelse
news:[email protected]...

Alf
And how is that done? I keep getting these things, two more today.

just delete rubish unread
a fact of life for usenet users

Hugh W

gj01709 · Legg inn av **gj01709** » 18. november 2007 kl. 18.17

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:45:46 +0100, Alf Christophersen <[email protected]> wrote:

Be Gunelson wrote:

Have received a series of about 6 of these "things" through your website.
Could you please put a stop to them?

Yes. By stopping the gateway to soc.genealogy.nordic.
Interested?

I hardly think breaking an effective mechanism because of one
troll/spammer is a valid answer. So much easier to killfile the sender,
and to adjust the gateway to reject crossposts. A one-line regular
expression syntax will do the trick:
Newsgroups: *,*,*
...will filter out anything crossposted to 3 or more groups. Subtract a
,* to filter out _any_ crossposts, but that may be unneeded and too
restrictive.

So much better to use a method like that, than to break the gateway that
works so well, most people aren't aware that exists until a minor
problem like this comes up.

Could you contact the Rootsweb Helpdesk to get that implemented. Or was

this a filter in our own mailbox ?

gj01709 · Legg inn av **gj01709** » 18. november 2007 kl. 18.19

Be Gunelson wrote:

Alf
And how is that done? I keep getting these things, two more today.

Well, I thought you got the point that that would be a bad idea as Hugh

also states.

:-)

Dave Hinz · Legg inn av **Dave Hinz** » 18. november 2007 kl. 19.53

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:17:56 +0100, Alf Christophersen <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

So much better to use a method like that, than to break the gateway that
works so well, most people aren't aware that exists until a minor
problem like this comes up.

Could you contact the Rootsweb Helpdesk to get that implemented. Or was
this a filter in our own mailbox ?

I'm not a rootsweb user, I get the group via Usenet. I would think
there's some sort of rootsweb admin that you had to sign up with to get
these mailings? How do you connect to a human there? Otherwise, as
Hugh says, ignore it rather than repost it, and it'll go away soon
enough.

Jan · Legg inn av **Jan** » 21. november 2007 kl. 21.21

Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:47:17 -0600, "Lafe Nelson" <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>;
<soc.genealogy.nordic>:

Thank you for blocking this person.
However, I just received another message from him.

As a news user, you must set up a blocking filter in your news reader
software in order to block postings from particular posters from
getting into your message list.
The blocking filters (or kill filters) are different from one news
reader to the other, so you'd better use the help available for your
particular reader (which seems to be outlook express - and I can't
help you with that one).

BTW; I never got any of the offending messages themselves, only
follow-ups. And, yes, I am using soc.genealogi.nordic, _not_
gen-nordic.
--
/Jan
<[email protected]>

Kurt · Legg inn av **Kurt** » 21. november 2007 kl. 22.58

"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:47:17 -0600, "Lafe Nelson"
[email protected]>;
[email protected]>;
soc.genealogy.nordic>:

Thank you for blocking this person.
However, I just received another message from him.

As a news user, you must set up a blocking filter in your news
reader
software in order to block postings from particular posters from
getting into your message list.
The blocking filters (or kill filters) are different from one news
reader to the other, so you'd better use the help available for your
particular reader (which seems to be outlook express - and I can't
help you with that one).

In OE: When you have the message active, pick "Message" and then
"Block Sender..."

BTW; I never got any of the offending messages themselves, only
follow-ups. And, yes, I am using soc.genealogi.nordic, _not_
gen-nordic.

The same applies for me; I never get the offending messages, only
follow-ups.

Kurt F

Barbara Gunvaldsen

I can't help with Swedish records but I have access to some of the
Massachusetts Vital Records and can fill in some marriage information:
15 November 1894 (marriage recorded in both Cambridge, Mass.
and Boston, Mass.)
Axel Hjort of Cambridge, Mass. (25 year old seaman, born in
Sweden, son of Axel and Lorrie)
Selma Mansson of Cambridge, Mass. (22 year old domestic,
born in Sweden, dau. of Andrew & Johanne)
Fredric Peterson, J.P.

Barbara Gunvaldsen

At 03:00 AM 11/23/2007, you wrote:

I am stuck on this lady (my g-grandmother), and can't get much further on
her ancestors from Sweden.

Barbara Gunvaldsen

Forgot! The information is in volume 444: page 276 (recorded in
Boston); the marriage was also recorded in Cambridge.

BG

I can't help with Swedish records but I have access to some of the
Massachusetts Vital Records and can fill in some marriage information:
15 November 1894 (marriage recorded in both Cambridge, Mass.
and Boston, Mass.)
Axel Hjort of Cambridge, Mass. (25 year old seaman, born in
Sweden, son of Axel and Lorrie)
Selma Mansson of Cambridge, Mass. (22 year old domestic,
born in Sweden, dau. of Andrew & Johanne)
Fredric Peterson, J.P.

Barbara Gunvaldsen

At 03:00 AM 11/23/2007, you wrote:

I am stuck on this lady (my g-grandmother), and can't get much further on
her ancestors from Sweden.

mousepotato · Legg inn av **mousepotato** » 26. november 2007 kl. 4.27

"Barbara Gunvaldsen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Forgot! The information is in volume 444: page 276 (recorded in Boston);
the marriage was also recorded in Cambridge.

BG

I can't help with Swedish records but I have access to some of the
Massachusetts Vital Records and can fill in some marriage information:
15 November 1894 (marriage recorded in both Cambridge, Mass. and
Boston, Mass.)
Axel Hjort of Cambridge, Mass. (25 year old seaman, born in
Sweden, son of Axel and Lorrie)
Selma Mansson of Cambridge, Mass. (22 year old domestic, born in
Sweden, dau. of Andrew & Johanne)
Fredric Peterson, J.P.

Barbara Gunvaldsen

Hi Barbara

Wow...the names of the couple married sure sound right; they DID
settle in Mass., when them entered the USA! Her parents names are
close...but Axel's mom's name is not right...maybe just a misunder-
standing (I hope)...thank you - ANY info is better than none! ; )

Susan (mousepotato)

gj01709 · Legg inn av **gj01709** » 21. desember 2007 kl. 16.33

Liz wrote:

I know this is a shot in the dark and I really know nothing about Nordic
research, I don't even know whether Johan ISAKSEN came from Norway, however
going through Google, it does seem to be a Norwegian name.

All I know about Johan ISAKSEN is that his father was called Alf ISAKSEN and
that Johan married Sheila Irene FLINT on 14 Jan 1939 at St Oswalds Church,
Sheffield, England and he stated he was an actor.

I hoped I might find more about him. I certainly can't find a birth for him
in England so as a last resort I was hoping for some help here.

Sheila Irene FLINT was the niece of my step-great grandmother who I knew as
a child so it's not a close relative but an interesting one.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Since there are no census for 1914 and later available, I was searching

Have a Merry Christmas and a happy New (genealogical research) Year

Liz · Legg inn av **Liz** » 21. desember 2007 kl. 17.36

Thank you so much for such a speedy response. I have been looking at the
sites you have recommended and found them extremely interesting...although a
little difficult to understand!

One particular census caught my eye.

By Husliste Kretsnr Gate Matr.nr. Våningshus Utan hushald Etasje
Busetnad
149 Vardø 19 8 Strandgade 150 Vaaningshus n 2 2
Hushald nr. Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Busett Sedvanleg bustad Fam.
stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år Fødestad Etnisitet Språk
1279 1 Johan Isaksen m mt Kiberg hf g Kjøbmand 1859 Kaafjord Fin
1280 Marie Isaksen k mt Kiberg hm g Hustru 1852 Trondhjem
1281 Alf Isaksen m mt Kiberg s ug Skolepligtig barn 1888 Kiberg Fin
1282 Karoline Nilsen k mt Kiberg tj ug Tjenestepige 1865 Ekerø Fin
1283 1 Anna Bruun k b hm e Telefonbestyrerinde 1832 Øvre Kalix
Sverige Svensk n

\Please could you tell me the meaning of the Utan hushald...I am hoping this
means "Occupation" or perhaps it's the position in the household! From what
I understand it, Johan is the father with a son called Alf. This Alf would
be the right age for the Alf father of Johan (junior) b.1914. What
occupations do this family have, that could be useful...but I can't imagine
any of them being actors like Johan Jr...but perhaps there is something
there that would give me a clue as to whether the family were in the arts or
were travellers?

Very many thanks...
Cheers
LIZ
http://www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery
OPC for Street, Somerset

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alf Christophersen" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>

Since there are no census for 1914 and later available, I was searching
the 1901 census which gave a restricted limit of possible Alf Isaksen.

You should then go to the http://www.digitalarkivet.no, choose parish records
for those districts mentioned in links below and check around 1914 for
the christening record:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... unnenr=201
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... unnenr=201
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... unnenr=201
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... unnenr=201
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... unnenr=201
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... unnenr=201
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... unnenr=201
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... unnenr=201
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... unnenr=201

Some of the children are maybe born too late to be actual as a father in
1914, but I leave it for you to solve that problem

Have a Merry Christmas and a happy New (genealogical research) Year

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gj01709 · Legg inn av **gj01709** » 21. desember 2007 kl. 18.06

Liz wrote:

Thank you so much for such a speedy response. I have been looking at the
sites you have recommended and found them extremely interesting...although a
little difficult to understand!

One particular census caught my eye.

By Husliste Kretsnr Gate Matr.nr. Våningshus Utan hushald Etasje
Busetnad
149 Vardø 19 8 Strandgade 150 Vaaningshus n 2 2
Hushald nr. Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Busett Sedvanleg bustad Fam.
stilling Sivilstand Yrke Fødd år Fødestad Etnisitet Språk
1279 1 Johan Isaksen m mt Kiberg hf g Kjøbmand 1859 Kaafjord Fin
1280 Marie Isaksen k mt Kiberg hm g Hustru 1852 Trondhjem
1281 Alf Isaksen m mt Kiberg s ug Skolepligtig barn 1888 Kiberg Fin
1282 Karoline Nilsen k mt Kiberg tj ug Tjenestepige 1865 Ekerø Fin
1283 1 Anna Bruun k b hm e Telefonbestyrerinde 1832 Øvre Kalix
Sverige Svensk n

\Please could you tell me the meaning of the Utan hushald...I am hoping this
means "Occupation" or perhaps it's the position in the household! From what
I understand it, Johan is the father with a son called Alf. This Alf would
be the right age for the Alf father of Johan (junior) b.1914. What
occupations do this family have, that could be useful...but I can't imagine
any of them being actors like Johan Jr...but perhaps there is something
there that would give me a clue as to whether the family were in the arts or
were travellers?

Very many thanks...
Cheers
LIZ
http://www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery
OPC for Street, Somerset

utan hushald means 'No household' Since it is ticked 'n' they had their

own household.

He was a merchant, and Alf was a school pupil.

Barbara Gunvaldsen

It was my understanding that it was a Swedish tradition that no fewer
than 7 "smaakaker" be served (any 7) -- and that the custom, while
recognized, was not especially followed in Norway--especially as one
moved from the Swedish border.

>What are the 7 traditional Norwegian Christmas cookies?

Anne Hildrum · Legg inn av **Anne Hildrum** » 13. januar 2008 kl. 21.18

I can't say in general, but it sure was the tradition in my family
on both sides.

Anne

"Barbara Gunvaldsen" <[email protected]> skrev i melding news:[email protected]...

It was my understanding that it was a Swedish tradition that no fewer than 7 "smaakaker" be served (any 7) -- and that the custom,
while recognized, was not especially followed in Norway--especially as one moved from the Swedish border.

What are the 7 traditional Norwegian Christmas cookies?

Richard van Schaik

Hi Reina,

By the way of Gen-Nordic List I have understand that you are looking
for William H. Watson.

I'm looking for his birth / baptism but mainly to resolve the surname of
his mother. His sister is what I'm more interested is, but as (according
to british data) she is born in Russia that might give slightly more
trouble.

In the mean time I have lost the thread because I had unsubscribed
because of this spammer. But now I saw he is keeping cool, so I have
resubscribed again.

I would have needed to unsubscribe from al six newsgroups I read ....
Lets be short on this, I ignored this spam and deviced filters on it in
my reader.

Is it possible to explain for who you are looking exactly? Because I
saw more or your postings and I did not understand them.

Then I was not clear enough in my posting. Please excuse me.
I'm searching for corroberation that the wife of William Watson was
indeed Betsy (Elizabeth) Deboo. They (William Watson and Betsy) have two
children mentioned in the british 1881 census. The first being mentioned
as born in Denmark, the second as being born in Russia.

I have some expierence in the mean time with Danish genealogy in the
past years and I have concluded that it is very difficult to find
ancestors back in Denmark.

But there is a site with full copy of those baptised/married etc. there?

I am just an amateur, have been looking already for years for my
danisch ancestor, without succes.

I guess you might need to be more flexible in research as names in those
days were written as heard by their ears. Not everyone could write so
checks were less than nowadays. In dutch after 1811 names became more
rigid, but even then some errors and deviations still appear in the
civil registration. But well, this is an british one I search so danish
or dutch rules wont help I think.

Maybe I can explain something to you in Dutch about Danish genealogy.

Beste Reina, Ik dank je hartelijk voor het aanbod, maar denk alle
relevante sites voor denemarken wel een beetje te hebben staan. Ik kwam
er alleen niet verder mee in deze zoektocht daar alle plaatsen natrekken
wat te veel was. Mogelijk is na de uitstekende limitering door Hugh
Watkins iets meer mogelijk in dit opzicht.

Dear Reina, full thanks for the offer, but I do think to have all
relevant sites for Denmark. I didn't get on with this research as it
would involve all places in Denmark, which is a huge job. After Hugh
Watkins limited the search it became more feasable, but still a huge task.

Regards,
Richard

--
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[email protected]
http://www.fmavanschaik.nl/

Reinapol · Legg inn av **Reinapol** » 13. januar 2008 kl. 23.20

Hello Richard,

Thanks for your answer.

In my opinion best thing to do is to read the churchrecords in Odense and
Svendborg in the timeframe your Watson could have been born there at
http://www.arkivalieronine.dk of other baptisms with the name Watson.

They have been esp. baptised in the Fyn area (Odense and Svenborg).
To investigate which are the sponsors at these baptisms could give you a
tread to other familyrelationships of your Watson in Denmark.

Good Luck
Reina.

Hi Reina,

By the way of Gen-Nordic List I have understand that you are looking
for William H. Watson.

I'm looking for his birth / baptism but mainly to resolve the surname of
his mother. His sister is what I'm more interested is, but as (according
to british data) she is born in Russia that might give slightly more
trouble.

In the mean time I have lost the thread because I had unsubscribed
because of this spammer. But now I saw he is keeping cool, so I have
resubscribed again.

I would have needed to unsubscribe from al six newsgroups I read ....
Lets be short on this, I ignored this spam and deviced filters on it in
my reader.

Is it possible to explain for who you are looking exactly? Because I
saw more or your postings and I did not understand them.

Then I was not clear enough in my posting. Please excuse me.
I'm searching for corroberation that the wife of William Watson was
indeed Betsy (Elizabeth) Deboo. They (William Watson and Betsy) have two
children mentioned in the british 1881 census. The first being mentioned
as born in Denmark, the second as being born in Russia.

I have some expierence in the mean time with Danish genealogy in the
past years and I have concluded that it is very difficult to find
ancestors back in Denmark.

But there is a site with full copy of those baptised/married etc. there?

I am just an amateur, have been looking already for years for my
danisch ancestor, without succes.

I guess you might need to be more flexible in research as names in those
days were written as heard by their ears. Not everyone could write so
checks were less than nowadays. In dutch after 1811 names became more
rigid, but even then some errors and deviations still appear in the
civil registration. But well, this is an british one I search so danish
or dutch rules wont help I think.

Maybe I can explain something to you in Dutch about Danish genealogy.

Beste Reina, Ik dank je hartelijk voor het aanbod, maar denk alle
relevante sites voor denemarken wel een beetje te hebben staan. Ik kwam
er alleen niet verder mee in deze zoektocht daar alle plaatsen natrekken
wat te veel was. Mogelijk is na de uitstekende limitering door Hugh
Watkins iets meer mogelijk in dit opzicht.

Dear Reina, full thanks for the offer, but I do think to have all
relevant sites for Denmark. I didn't get on with this research as it
would involve all places in Denmark, which is a huge job. After Hugh
Watkins limited the search it became more feasable, but still a huge task.

Regards,
Richard

Eugenie S. Shaw · Legg inn av **Eugenie S. Shaw** » 14. januar 2008 kl. 0.43

The tradition of seven kinds of cookies is definitely Norwegian as well. (My modern Norwegian cookbook shows how to make seven kinds from the same basic dough) Seven kinds would be the minimum when I was growing up in Norway in the 50s.

The most common, traditional kinds would be:

Goro
Fattigmann
Sirupsnipper
Berlinerkranser
Peppernotter
Krumkaker
Smultringer

- but every family had their own special recipes. In my family it was Biskner, a crisp cookie flavored with cardamom, and several others.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Shaw
To: Eugenie Shaw
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:55 PM
Subject: Fwd: GEN-NORDIC Question

Jonathan A. Shaw
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Begin forwarded message:

From: Barbara Gunvaldsen <[email protected]>
Date: January 13, 2008 9:39:05 AM EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: GEN-NORDIC Question
Reply-To: [email protected]

It was my understanding that it was a Swedish tradition that no fewer
than 7 "smaakaker" be served (any 7) -- and that the custom, while
recognized, was not especially followed in Norway--especially as one
moved from the Swedish border.

What are the 7 traditional Norwegian Christmas cookies?

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Kaare Seeberg Sidselrud

Try this link: Amneus Boghandel <http://www.amneus.no> (bookstore) at
Røros, South Trøndelag

http://www.mamut.net/controls/shop/shop ... sboghandel

Price is given as NOK 600 + p&p

Regards,
Kaare Seeberg Sidselrud

2008/1/14, Jim Lund <[email protected]>:

Does anyone know how one can purchase the book "Skanke
ätten" written by Roger de Robelin, published by Østlands-Posten,
Larvik, ISBN: 82-993791-0-5? I have found many of my ancestors in this
book
and would like to get a copy of the book.

Any suggestions would be greatly, greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Jim Lund
[email protected]

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Granebakken 9
NO-1284 Oslo, Norge - Norway

tel: (+47) 9084 5955

Jim Lund · Legg inn av **Jim Lund** » 15. januar 2008 kl. 18.18

Thank you for the information Kaare. I am familiar with Amneus Boghandel
and have seen the book advertised on their website. I actually have tried
contacting them several times via their email link and they have never
responded. I know of others who have tried emailing them also with the same
non-response, including the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. I
don't know if the email link has a problem, but I do not get a "cannot
deliver" message from my ISP. Have you ever dealt with them, or know of
someone who has?

Regards,
Jim Lund

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kaare Seeberg
Sidselrud
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Looking for the book "Skanke ätten" by Roger de Robelin

Try this link: Amneus Boghandel <http://www.amneus.no> (bookstore) at
Røros, South Trøndelag

http://www.mamut.net/controls/shop/shop ... sboghandel

Price is given as NOK 600 + p&p

Regards,
Kaare Seeberg Sidselrud

2008/1/14, Jim Lund <[email protected]>:

Does anyone know how one can purchase the book "Skanke
ätten" written by Roger de Robelin, published by Østlands-Posten,
Larvik, ISBN: 82-993791-0-5? I have found many of my ancestors in this
book
and would like to get a copy of the book.

Any suggestions would be greatly, greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Jim Lund
[email protected]

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Granebakken 9
NO-1284 Oslo, Norge - Norway

tel: (+47) 9084 5955

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Kaare Seeberg Sidselrud

I must admit that I haven't had any dealings with them myself or know of any
that has. I'll let you know if I find another source.

Regards,
Kaare Seeberg Sidselrud

2008/1/15, Jim Lund <[email protected]>:

Thank you for the information Kaare. I am familiar with Amneus Boghandel
and have seen the book advertised on their website. I actually have tried
contacting them several times via their email link and they have never
responded. I know of others who have tried emailing them also with the
same
non-response, including the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. I
don't know if the email link has a problem, but I do not get a "cannot
deliver" message from my ISP. Have you ever dealt with them, or know of
someone who has?

Regards,
Jim Lund

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kaare Seeberg
Sidselrud
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Looking for the book "Skanke ätten" by Roger de Robelin

Try this link: Amneus Boghandel <http://www.amneus.no> (bookstore) at
Røros, South Trøndelag

http://www.mamut.net/controls/shop/shop ... sboghandel

Price is given as NOK 600 + p&p

Regards,
Kaare Seeberg Sidselrud

2008/1/14, Jim Lund <[email protected]>:

Does anyone know how one can purchase the book "Skanke
ätten" written by Roger de Robelin, published by Østlands-Posten,
Larvik, ISBN: 82-993791-0-5? I have found many of my ancestors in this
book
and would like to get a copy of the book.

Any suggestions would be greatly, greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Jim Lund
[email protected]

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Kaare Seeberg Sidselrud
Granebakken 9
NO-1284 Oslo, Norge - Norway

tel: (+47) 9084 5955

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tel: (+47) 9084 5955

Hugh Watkins · Legg inn av **Hugh Watkins** » 19. januar 2008 kl. 18.51

Hugh Watkins wrote:

bevwar wrote:
my other half's gggrandfather jumped ship in sydeney and changed his
name to warren the family name to this day
he came from cornwall
regards bev

If any one has danish ancestors who jumped ship

I came across a book of police reports in the provincial archive LAK in
Copenhagen

I was looking for reports of deserters from conscription

from my email
Hugh

Did this book list seamen who deserted Danish ships in overseas ports

<< reported to the police by the capatians on their return to Denmark

or
foreign seamen who deserted foreign ships in Copenhagen?

<< today they would be asylum seekers but then?

If it is the former can you give me more details so I can ask someone to
do a look up?

I am looking for Valdemar Westergaard, born 1831, who disappeared
between the 1845 and 1850 census.

AND

Hugh
My great grandfather (born 1848) came from (Oreby) Denmark.

< do you have his date of birth ?

Oreby Mølle South Sealand/Møn/Lolland/Falster

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=or ... gle+Search

this is not a parish but the name of several hamlets in other parishes

http://www.dis-danmark.dk/sogne_ix.htm

"Here you have the possibility of searching in a database, containing
44619 Danish place names with info about their Parish, Community and
County according to the county-division of 1970."
http://www.krabsen.dk/stednavnebase/

three parishes names

Stednavnebase
Fundet: 3 forekomster
Stednavn Sogn Herred Gammelt amt Bemærkning

Oreby Høve Vester Flakkebjerg Sorø Bebyggelse. Ejerlav eller dele heraf.

Oreby Kastrup Hammer Præstø Bebyggelse. Ejerlav eller dele heraf.

Oreby Sakskøbing Musse Maribo Bebyggelse. Ejerlav eller dele heraf.

He was approx
14yrs old we think when he arived in Australia around 1862. Of course we
can find no record of him until he marries in 1872.

I think he probably left Denmark to avoid conscription. His name was Otto
Peter Christian Jorgenson. In Australia he changed it to Jonsson and finally
Johnson.

I would be interested to know if he would be listed in your police report?
I am not familiar with your term LAK but would appreciate any help, thank
<<

In 1848 patronyms rather than surnames were mostly still used in the
villages

his father may be a JØRGEN (ie George in danish)

http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/

has images of church books to 1892 soon to 1925
and of census / folketælling

LAK is the LandsArkiv in København

http://www.sa.dk/lak/

DAISY is the online catalogue

http://www.daisy.sa.dk/

Politi is the arkiveskaber - creator of the records

Journal over rømningssager

1911 1970 Københavns Politi 4. Politiinspektorat, Afdeling A Journal
over rømningssager
1886 1916 Svendborg byfoged Navneregister over forbrydere og rømningsmænd
1911 1956 Københavns Politi 4. Politiinspektorat, Afdeling A

best to start with an index

1919 1968 Register til A-journal
1935 1953 Register til faderskabsjournal
1928 1955 Register til journal for værnepligtssager
1911 1956 Register til journal over rømningssager
1935 1953 Register til paternitetsjournal [1935-1939]
1934 1952 Register til U-journal

some of these are family affairs like absent fathers

what I remember was the horrible handwriting and familiar ships names
like Oscar 2 in New York for example

Hugh W

Hugh Watkins · Legg inn av **Hugh Watkins** » 19. januar 2008 kl. 21.29

On another machine which is set up with the latest java
http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/

Otto Peter Christian Jørgenson 1848 birth

Høve Vester Flakkebjerg Sorø
only about 8 births a year no OTTO

Kastrup Hammer Præstø

not good scans no Otto

====================================================

Sakskøbing Musse Maribo

GOTCHA

opslag 15

1847
entry 32
born 20 October

Otto Peter Christian Jørgensen
baptised in the church 31 October

mother ugift = unmarried

Marie Mauritzen
father Rasmus Jørgensen

there are more details but my reading of old danish handwriting is
rusty (see gotisk skrift for examples)

and I am hungry so I am stopping here

anyone else care to do a full transcription please

also to look for his conformation please?

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/

Marie Mauritzen 32 Ugift Huusholderske paa Gaarden [Gregers Christian
Af Raben og Anna Margrethe Lund] born Svendborg

a candidate NOT proof

housekeeper

the child may have been adopted - plejebarn

or not yet transcribed

Hugh W

Hugh Watkins wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:
bevwar wrote:
my other half's gggrandfather jumped ship in sydeney and changed his
name to warren the family name to this day
he came from cornwall
regards bev

If any one has danish ancestors who jumped ship

I came across a book of police reports in the provincial archive LAK
in Copenhagen

I was looking for reports of deserters from conscription

from my email
Hugh

Did this book list seamen who deserted Danish ships in overseas ports

reported to the police by the capatians on their return to Denmark

or
foreign seamen who deserted foreign ships in Copenhagen?

today they would be asylum seekers but then?

If it is the former can you give me more details so I can ask someone to
do a look up?

I am looking for Valdemar Westergaard, born 1831, who disappeared
between the 1845 and 1850 census.

AND

Hugh
My great grandfather (born 1848) came from (Oreby) Denmark.

do you have his date of birth ?

Oreby Mølle South Sealand/Møn/Lolland/Falster

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=or ... gle+Search

this is not a parish but the name of several hamlets in other parishes

http://www.dis-danmark.dk/sogne_ix.htm

"Here you have the possibility of searching in a database, containing
44619 Danish place names with info about their Parish, Community and
County according to the county-division of 1970."
http://www.krabsen.dk/stednavnebase/

three parishes names

Stednavnebase
Fundet: 3 forekomster
Stednavn Sogn Herred Gammelt amt Bemærkning

Oreby Høve Vester Flakkebjerg Sorø Bebyggelse. Ejerlav eller
dele heraf.

Oreby Kastrup Hammer Præstø Bebyggelse. Ejerlav eller dele
heraf.

Oreby Sakskøbing Musse Maribo Bebyggelse. Ejerlav eller dele
heraf.

He was approx
14yrs old we think when he arived in Australia around 1862. Of course we
can find no record of him until he marries in 1872.

I think he probably left Denmark to avoid conscription. His name was Otto
Peter Christian Jorgenson. In Australia he changed it to Jonsson and
finally
Johnson.

I would be interested to know if he would be listed in your police report?
I am not familiar with your term LAK but would appreciate any help, thank

In 1848 patronyms rather than surnames were mostly still used in the
villages

his father may be a JØRGEN (ie George in danish)

http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/

has images of church books to 1892 soon to 1925
and of census / folketælling

LAK is the LandsArkiv in København

http://www.sa.dk/lak/

DAISY is the online catalogue

http://www.daisy.sa.dk/

Politi is the arkiveskaber - creator of the records

Journal over rømningssager

1911 1970 Københavns Politi 4. Politiinspektorat, Afdeling A
Journal over rømningssager
1886 1916 Svendborg byfoged Navneregister over forbrydere og
rømningsmænd
1911 1956 Københavns Politi 4. Politiinspektorat, Afdeling A

best to start with an index

1919 1968 Register til A-journal
1935 1953 Register til faderskabsjournal
1928 1955 Register til journal for værnepligtssager
1911 1956 Register til journal over rømningssager
1935 1953 Register til paternitetsjournal [1935-1939]
1934 1952 Register til U-journal

some of these are family affairs like absent fathers

what I remember was the horrible handwriting and familiar ships names
like Oscar 2 in New York for example

Hugh W

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Reinapol · Legg inn av **Reinapol** » 20. januar 2008 kl. 18.11

Hello Phil,

Where is Fredericia (the place you have in mind)? And in which country?
In the Scandinacian countries a lot of places have the same name.

Thanks for answering
Reina

Phil wrote:
Hi - I have an Great Grandfather Carl (Charles)Valdemar Clausen, son of
Rasmus Clausen and Kirsten Johannsen.

He was born around 1875 and came from Fredericia......He had brothers
Johannes and Claus and a sister called Margrethe.

I'm trying to find a date of birth for Carl and a marriage for his
parents -
would like to know their parents if possible.