Found the Manifest, great news

[a425couple]

Great news!
I now have the "List or Manifest of Alien Passengers for the
US Immigration Officer at Port of Arrival" that shows my
grandmother's entry into the US from Norway.

Background:
I, and a cousin's daughter, have been searching for more
information and background on my grandmother.
We knew (or believed) from a dated note, when she
left Norway to go to the US. But we could find nothing
official of her being in the US for over 15 years following.

I do not believe I ever posted on this group before,
but I often read here for information that helped the
search. (Yeah, I probably should of asked, but I hate
to be a bother, and procrastination, and all that!)
I followed up on many 'false leads'.

My cousin's daughter finally found it and just sent me
a copy. Really neat!

We now have official record, it gives her name,
her age (21)
her sex and status (female, single),
she was able to read and write (Norge, I believe)
nationality (Norway)
race or people (Norwegian)
final destination (town in North Dakota)
have a ticket to final destination (yes)
by whom was passage paid (self)
possesion of money (only $10.00)
going to join (brother in North Dakota)
Ever in prison or institution (no)
polygamist (no)
anarchist (no)
? copy to small to read! (no)
condition of health (good)
deformed or crippled (no)

And the ship was the "Laxonia" sailed from Liverpool.

My main questions I request help on, are areas that
I can not understand or read the handwriting and abreviations.

1. Under "Calling or Occupation" there are many on this
manifest that I can read, like "Farmer, carpenter, servant,
on visit, sailor,
Her's looks like "Douper" or "Donper" or "Dorpen".
Any ideas on what this could be?
Also, several others appear to be "FL". ?

2. Under "Last residence"
Her's looks like "Noss".
Any ideas or information on this?
(many others are "Voss", but her's seems clearly a "N")

3. And the ship. On one false lead earlier, I found information
on a different ship, so could probably do it myself, but if
anyone cares to give me a shortcut on the ship,
"Laxonia", I'll gladly accept it!!!!

Thanks to all!

[Hugh Watkins]

a425couple wrote:

Great news!
I now have the "List or Manifest of Alien Passengers for the
US Immigration Officer at Port of Arrival" that shows my
grandmother's entry into the US from Norway.

Background:
I, and a cousin's daughter, have been searching for more
information and background on my grandmother.
We knew (or believed) from a dated note, when she
left Norway to go to the US. But we could find nothing
official of her being in the US for over 15 years following.

I do not believe I ever posted on this group before,
but I often read here for information that helped the
search. (Yeah, I probably should of asked, but I hate
to be a bother, and procrastination, and all that!)
I followed up on many 'false leads'.

My cousin's daughter finally found it and just sent me
a copy. Really neat!

We now have official record, it gives her name,
her age (21)
her sex and status (female, single),
she was able to read and write (Norge, I believe)
nationality (Norway)
race or people (Norwegian)
final destination (town in North Dakota)
have a ticket to final destination (yes)
by whom was passage paid (self)
possesion of money (only $10.00)
going to join (brother in North Dakota)
Ever in prison or institution (no)
polygamist (no)
anarchist (no)
? copy to small to read! (no)
condition of health (good)
deformed or crippled (no)

And the ship was the "Laxonia" sailed from Liverpool.

My main questions I request help on, are areas that
I can not understand or read the handwriting and abreviations.

1. Under "Calling or Occupation" there are many on this
manifest that I can read, like "Farmer, carpenter, servant,
on visit, sailor,
Her's looks like "Douper" or "Donper" or "Dorpen".
Any ideas on what this could be?
Also, several others appear to be "FL". ?

2. Under "Last residence"
Her's looks like "Noss".
Any ideas or information on this?
(many others are "Voss", but her's seems clearly a "N")

3. And the ship. On one false lead earlier, I found information
on a different ship, so could probably do it myself, but if
anyone cares to give me a shortcut on the ship,
"Laxonia", I'll gladly accept it!!!!

just post the correct description of the source or a good copy of the
image on the web and the url here

and let some experienced eyes see it
specic questions get the best answers

Hugh W


--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

[a425couple]

"Hugh Watkins" <[email protected]> wrote

a425couple wrote:
Big snip
My main questions I request help on, are areas that
I can not understand or read the handwriting and abreviations.

1. Under "Calling or Occupation" there are many on this
manifest that I can read, like "Farmer, carpenter, servant,
on visit, sailor,
Her's looks like "Douper" or "Donper" or "Dorpen".
Any ideas on what this could be?
Also, several others appear to be "FL". ?

2. Under "Last residence"
Her's looks like "Noss".
Any ideas or information on this?
(many others are "Voss", but her's seems clearly a "N")

3. And the ship. On one false lead earlier, I found information
on a different ship, so could probably do it myself, but if
anyone cares to give me a shortcut on the ship,
"Laxonia", I'll gladly accept it!!!!

just post the correct description of the source or a good copy of the
image on the web and the url here
and let some experienced eyes see it
specic questions get the best answers Hugh W

I understand, accept, and respect your advise.
The pracicality part ---
What I have is a xerox, and it will be a while, and be
an effort to "post" it on any site.
Hopefully, my 3 questions are specific and clear enough
for someone to offer ideas.

[Stein R]

"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote in news:bK2dnU1Hj-
[email protected]:

Great news!
I now have the "List or Manifest of Alien Passengers for the
US Immigration Officer at Port of Arrival" that shows my
grandmother's entry into the US from Norway.

Background:
I, and a cousin's daughter, have been searching for more
information and background on my grandmother.
We knew (or believed) from a dated note, when she
left Norway to go to the US. But we could find nothing
official of her being in the US for over 15 years following.

I do not believe I ever posted on this group before,
but I often read here for information that helped the
search. (Yeah, I probably should of asked, but I hate
to be a bother, and procrastination, and all that!)
I followed up on many 'false leads'.

My cousin's daughter finally found it and just sent me
a copy. Really neat!

We now have official record, it gives her name,
her age (21)
her sex and status (female, single),
she was able to read and write (Norge, I believe)
nationality (Norway)
race or people (Norwegian)
final destination (town in North Dakota)
have a ticket to final destination (yes)
by whom was passage paid (self)
possesion of money (only $10.00)
going to join (brother in North Dakota)
Ever in prison or institution (no)
polygamist (no)
anarchist (no)
? copy to small to read! (no)
condition of health (good)
deformed or crippled (no)

And the ship was the "Laxonia" sailed from Liverpool.

My main questions I request help on, are areas that
I can not understand or read the handwriting and abreviations.

1. Under "Calling or Occupation" there are many on this
manifest that I can read, like "Farmer, carpenter, servant,
on visit, sailor,
Her's looks like "Douper" or "Donper" or "Dorpen".
Any ideas on what this could be?
Also, several others appear to be "FL". ?

2. Under "Last residence"
Her's looks like "Noss".
Any ideas or information on this?
(many others are "Voss", but her's seems clearly a "N")

3. And the ship. On one false lead earlier, I found information
on a different ship, so could probably do it myself, but if
anyone cares to give me a shortcut on the ship,
"Laxonia", I'll gladly accept it!!!!

Thanks to all!

No ships by the name of Laxonia listed on http://www.norwayheritage.com

A google search for Laxonia ship gives a handful of hits - one of which
talks about the Cunard Line ship Laxonia. A search for Laconia ship
gives a _lot_ of hits.

Sure it was not the RMS Laconia or RMS Saxonia of the Cunard Line ?

http://www.steamships.org/maritime/stea ... .s.laconia.
html

The Laconia is listed on http://www.norwayheritage.com, too. Two of them - one
that was built in 1911 and did transatlantic voyages from 1912 until she
was torpedoed and sunk in 1917, and the second which was built in 1921
and did transatlantic voyages 1922-1925. Ironically, the second Laconia
was also torpedoed and sunk - this one in 1942, in the South Atlantic.

I think you have most likely misread the ship's name.

You are aware that a lot of ship Manifests are available online from
http://www.ancestry.com (pay service) ?

But it would be a lot easier to help you if you actually gave some
_information_ about what you already know - like the name of the
passenger, port of arrival, date of arrival etc ...

Smile,
Stein

[a425couple]

"Stein R" <[email protected]> wrote

"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote
My main questions I request help on, are areas that
I can not understand or read the handwriting and abreviations.
3. And the ship. On one false lead earlier, I found information
on a different ship, so could probably do it myself, but if
anyone cares to give me a shortcut on the ship,
"Laxonia", I'll gladly accept it!!!! Thanks to all!

No ships by the name of Laxonia listed on http://www.norwayheritage.com
A google search for Laxonia ship gives a handful of hits - one of which
talks about the Cunard Line ship Laxonia.
Sure it was not the -- RMS Saxonia of the Cunard Line ?
http://www.steamships.org/maritime/stea ... .s.laconia.
html
I think you have most likely misread the ship's name.

Very possible.
It is in fancy big handwritten script. Looked like "Laxonia",
but with your suggestion, and comparing the smaller handwritting,
my further pursuits will probably be for "Saxonia"!
Thanks!

Sure it was not the RMS Laconia ---
A search for Laconia ship gives a _lot_ of hits.
The Laconia is listed on http://www.norwayheritage.com, too. Two of them - one
that was built in 1911 and did transatlantic voyages from 1912 until she
was torpedoed and sunk in 1917, and the second which was built in 1921
and did transatlantic voyages 1922-1925. Ironically, the second Laconia
was also torpedoed and sunk - this one in 1942, in the South Atlantic.

Well, I'm not positive of anything, but pretty sure the
third letter is a "X", not a "C"

You are aware that a lot of ship Manifests are available online from
http://www.ancestry.com (pay service) ?
But it would be a lot easier to help you if you actually gave some
_information_ about what you already know - like the name of the
passenger, port of arrival, date of arrival etc ... Smile, Stein

Ahh, kinda. Then, we did not care to pay to be told "nothing found",
and now we have the manifest.

[Stein R]

"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

"Stein R" <[email protected]> wrote
"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote
My main questions I request help on, are areas that
I can not understand or read the handwriting and abreviations.

<snip>

Ahh, kinda. Then, we did not care to pay to be told "nothing found",
and now we have the manifest.

I notice that you did _not_ answer the key questions:
1) what is the name of the person you are looking for ?
2) what US port did he/she arrive in ?, and
3) on what date ?

Forgive me for being blunt, but if you want an good answer to your
questions on profession etc, then you have to provide enough information
that people who _have_ access to sources like ancestry.com (e.g. me)
have a chance of looking at the original, or you have to take your
photocopy and go have it scanned, and the image put up on a web site.

If you do not _want_ to share this information, fair enough, but then
people (e.g me) who have access to ancestry.com, cannot help you by
trying to look up the original and trying to figure out what it says.

And then it is simply not worth my time to try to help you with
interpreting handwriting. Ancestry lists 128,775 names of people who
arrived in the port of New York on a ship named Saxonia over the years
1820-1957. 844 of these with a listed ethnicity of Norwegian, 232 of
these being females.

It is not very likely that anyone would bother to go through that list
(or http://www.ellisislandrecords.org and look at the original image
without knowing anything more about your ancestor.

Either you provide enough information or you have to keep guessing on
your own. Your choice.

Smile,
Stein

[Hugh Watkins]

a425couple wrote:

"Stein R" <[email protected]> wrote

"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote

My main questions I request help on, are areas that
I can not understand or read the handwriting and abreviations.
3. And the ship. On one false lead earlier, I found information
on a different ship, so could probably do it myself, but if
anyone cares to give me a shortcut on the ship,
"Laxonia", I'll gladly accept it!!!! Thanks to all!

No ships by the name of Laxonia listed on http://www.norwayheritage.com
A google search for Laxonia ship gives a handful of hits - one of which
talks about the Cunard Line ship Laxonia.
Sure it was not the -- RMS Saxonia of the Cunard Line ?
http://www.steamships.org/maritime/stea ... .s.laconia.
html
I think you have most likely misread the ship's name.


Very possible.
It is in fancy big handwritten script. Looked like "Laxonia",
but with your suggestion, and comparing the smaller handwritting,
my further pursuits will probably be for "Saxonia"!
Thanks!


Sure it was not the RMS Laconia ---
A search for Laconia ship gives a _lot_ of hits.
The Laconia is listed on http://www.norwayheritage.com, too. Two of them - one
that was built in 1911 and did transatlantic voyages from 1912 until she
was torpedoed and sunk in 1917, and the second which was built in 1921
and did transatlantic voyages 1922-1925. Ironically, the second Laconia
was also torpedoed and sunk - this one in 1942, in the South Atlantic.


Well, I'm not positive of anything, but pretty sure the
third letter is a "X", not a "C"




You are aware that a lot of ship Manifests are available online from
http://www.ancestry.com (pay service) ?
But it would be a lot easier to help you if you actually gave some
_information_ about what you already know - like the name of the
passenger, port of arrival, date of arrival etc ... Smile, Stein


Ahh, kinda. Then, we did not care to pay to be told "nothing found",
and now we have the manifest.

context is all in reading old handwriting
the procedure is to read other pages of the same document
and compare known words with the unknown

If an english or US purser or ship's officer / clerk or a booking agent
is copying norwegian an added layer of difficulty is that there may be
errors in the original document

only peopel who know some old written norwegian and some geography can
guess at the weird and wonderful spellings found in US census for example
my Jørgen Strømsholt turned up as Otto Strumsholt
it took more than five years to find his living descendants in USA and
put them in touch with their danish cousins

I mostly do danish genealogy in this field
and many migrants used indirect routes because they werecheaper than
direct sailings

there are also exit records kept if you know where to look for them

Danish family history with Hugh: "How to find your cousins abroad"
http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/en/hugo.html is in need of revision

Virtual Reference Library
http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/library/index.html has links to
norwegian names because they are so similar to danish in structure
and of course norwegians also migrated to Denmark

Hugh W

--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

[Jan]

Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:30:38 -0800, "a425couple"
<[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>;
<soc.genealogy.nordic>:

1. Under "Calling or Occupation" there are many on this
manifest that I can read, like "Farmer, carpenter, servant,
on visit, sailor,
Her's looks like "Douper" or "Donper" or "Dorpen".
Any ideas on what this could be?
Also, several others appear to be "FL". ?

Agree with Stein; you should consider to gove some more information
(you may have done so previously, but not with the same subject in the
message): Name, time; her age at the time.

"Douper", "Donper", "Dorpen" could all be e.g. "Datter"=daughter

2. Under "Last residence"
Her's looks like "Noss".
Any ideas or information on this?
(many others are "Voss", but her's seems clearly a "N")

Most probably Moss (or Voss...)

A scanned image in jpg of the handwritten list would be a good thing.
It can't be posted on the newsgroup, but you could place it on a web
site and give the link, or attach it to an email.
--
/Jan
<[email protected]>

[a425couple]

"Stein R" <[email protected]> wrote

"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote
"Stein R" <[email protected]> wrote
"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote
My main questions I request help on, are areas that
I can not understand or read the handwriting and abreviations.
snip 3 specific questions etc.
I notice that you did _not_ answer the key questions:
Forgive me for being blunt, but if you want an good answer --
then you have to provide enough information ----
If you do not _want_ to share this information, fair enough,
but then people ----- cannot help you ---
Either you provide enough information or you have to keep
guessing on your own. Your choice. Smile, Stein

To kind and helpful Stein, Hugh, and others
who contacted me by direct email.

I understand.
I am sorry.
I certainly did not start out intending to be difficult.

If I had the chance to do things over in life,
fair number of things I would do differently.
Certainly my posting the OP yesterday from this
isp / account, is one such thing I would want to change.
I can not change the past.
So, I have somewhat painted myself in a corner.

For a variety of reasons, I chose a while back to
not expose my 'real world serious email accounts'
to the potential dangers of being posted in newsgroups.
And somewhat similarly, I chose to not be that direct
in linking this a425couple account to me
(although I do not use it for mischief or rudness).

For the last couple of years, I considered creating an
additional account, and using that to post to this
newsgroup, and listing all the specifics of my search
and relatives. I did not get around to it.

My relative found the document we most wanted.

I was so elated at that important (TO ME) find, that
I wanted to share the good news. So I did.

Meanwhile, I thought while I was at it I'd ask the 3
questions. And an answer on one (the ship) certainly
helped. But asking the 3, was probably "A Bridge Too Far".
But, respectfully no, I will not here and now dump
out all specifics.

Again, thanks,
and I'm sorry.

[Stein R]

"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

"Stein R" <[email protected]> wrote
"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote
"Stein R" <[email protected]> wrote
"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote
My main questions I request help on, are areas that
I can not understand or read the handwriting and abreviations.
snip 3 specific questions etc.
I notice that you did _not_ answer the key questions:
Forgive me for being blunt, but if you want an good answer --
then you have to provide enough information ----
If you do not _want_ to share this information, fair enough,
but then people ----- cannot help you ---
Either you provide enough information or you have to keep
guessing on your own. Your choice. Smile, Stein

To kind and helpful Stein, Hugh, and others
who contacted me by direct email.

I understand.
I am sorry.
I certainly did not start out intending to be difficult.

If I had the chance to do things over in life,
fair number of things I would do differently.
Certainly my posting the OP yesterday from this
isp / account, is one such thing I would want to change.
I can not change the past.
So, I have somewhat painted myself in a corner.

For a variety of reasons, I chose a while back to
not expose my 'real world serious email accounts'
to the potential dangers of being posted in newsgroups.
And somewhat similarly, I chose to not be that direct
in linking this a425couple account to me
(although I do not use it for mischief or rudness).

For the last couple of years, I considered creating an
additional account, and using that to post to this
newsgroup, and listing all the specifics of my search
and relatives. I did not get around to it.

My relative found the document we most wanted.

I was so elated at that important (TO ME) find, that
I wanted to share the good news. So I did.

Meanwhile, I thought while I was at it I'd ask the 3
questions. And an answer on one (the ship) certainly
helped. But asking the 3, was probably "A Bridge Too Far".
But, respectfully no, I will not here and now dump
out all specifics.

Again, thanks,
and I'm sorry.

May I respectfully suggest that you discuss your concerns about privacy
on the net (or whatever is your concern) with a somewhat more internet
savvy relative or friend ?

If you can get over your apparently overblown fear of being "exposed",
you might find the Internet a great source for genealogical research.

Good luck in your quest for more information about your ancestors!

Smile,
Stein

[Hugh Watkins]

a425couple wrote:

"Stein R" <[email protected]> wrote

"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote

"Stein R" <[email protected]> wrote

"a425couple" <[email protected]> wrote

My main questions I request help on, are areas that
I can not understand or read the handwriting and abreviations.

snip 3 specific questions etc.
I notice that you did _not_ answer the key questions:
Forgive me for being blunt, but if you want an good answer --
then you have to provide enough information ----
If you do not _want_ to share this information, fair enough,
but then people ----- cannot help you ---
Either you provide enough information or you have to keep
guessing on your own. Your choice. Smile, Stein


To kind and helpful Stein, Hugh, and others
who contacted me by direct email.

I understand.
I am sorry.
I certainly did not start out intending to be difficult.

If I had the chance to do things over in life,
fair number of things I would do differently.
Certainly my posting the OP yesterday from this
isp / account, is one such thing I would want to change.
I can not change the past.
So, I have somewhat painted myself in a corner.

For a variety of reasons, I chose a while back to
not expose my 'real world serious email accounts'
to the potential dangers of being posted in newsgroups.
And somewhat similarly, I chose to not be that direct
in linking this a425couple account to me
(although I do not use it for mischief or rudness).

For the last couple of years, I considered creating an
additional account, and using that to post to this
newsgroup, and listing all the specifics of my search
and relatives. I did not get around to it.

My relative found the document we most wanted.

I was so elated at that important (TO ME) find, that
I wanted to share the good news. So I did.

Meanwhile, I thought while I was at it I'd ask the 3
questions. And an answer on one (the ship) certainly
helped. But asking the 3, was probably "A Bridge Too Far".
But, respectfully no, I will not here and now dump
out all specifics.

Again, thanks,
and I'm sorry.

you lose out by being paranoid about dead people
the 1930 US census is public data

Hugh W

--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG