Census page on A.com question

[Gjest]

Hello group ,I just this day downloaded a Census page from Ancestry .com
that is seriously flawed , I need to know if I can correct it to a Useable
state !!!!

this page is for Jacob Heilmann in Ross Co Ohio 1860 . Or " Series M653
roll 1030 page 23 ( stamp ) , It is HUGE , being 88.808 Inches wide and
116.808 inches High , I have tried reducing it by half and half again in my
Graphic manipulation Prog , But it is totally unreadable Getting all ziggety
jaggaty edges ! . ,
Got any suggestions ? , please an thanks , Phil

[Hugh Watkins]

[email protected] wrote:

Hello group ,I just this day downloaded a Census page from Ancestry .com
that is seriously flawed , I need to know if I can correct it to a Useable
state !!!!

this page is for Jacob Heilmann in Ross Co Ohio 1860 . Or " Series M653
roll 1030 page 23 ( stamp ) , It is HUGE , being 88.808 Inches wide and
116.808 inches High , I have tried reducing it by half and half again in my
Graphic manipulation Prog , But it is totally unreadable Getting all ziggety
jaggaty edges ! . ,
Got any suggestions ? , please an thanks , Phil

please post the url

report problems to ancestry
by form top right corner

good luck

Hugh W

daily blogs with new photos

http://slim2005.blogspot.com/
http://snaps2006.blogspot.com/

family history
http://hughw36

=== from my email

We appreciate your message.

Please contact us by phone Thank you

US customers 1-800-262-3787

UK customers 0-800-404-9722

Canada Customers 1-800-958-9073

If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us
know.


Member Solutions
Ancestry.com
http://ancestry.custhelp.com/

[unkleoskar]

[email protected] wrote:

Hello group ,I just this day downloaded a Census page from Ancestry .com
that is seriously flawed , I need to know if I can correct it to a Useable
state !!!!

this page is for Jacob Heilmann in Ross Co Ohio 1860 . Or " Series M653
roll 1030 page 23 ( stamp ) , It is HUGE , being 88.808 Inches wide and
116.808 inches High , I have tried reducing it by half and half again in my
Graphic manipulation Prog , But it is totally unreadable Getting all ziggety
jaggaty edges ! . ,
Got any suggestions ? , please an thanks , Phil

Suggest you change software. I just downloaded and image is at 150 dpi
eqivalent t abt 16 by 20 and I viewed at 25 % and was very readable

Lee C

[Gjest]

Hello Lee , I doubt that the software has any thing to do with it , I have
over 100 other census pages from that place And NONE of them have this fault
!!!!!!!!! BTW , I use Paint Shop Pro ver 8.1 , Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "unkleoskar" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: Census page on A.com question

[email protected] wrote:
Hello group ,I just this day downloaded a Census page from Ancestry .com
that is seriously flawed , I need to know if I can correct it to a
Useable
state !!!!

this page is for Jacob Heilmann in Ross Co Ohio 1860 . Or " Series
M653
roll 1030 page 23 ( stamp ) , It is HUGE , being 88.808 Inches wide and
116.808 inches High , I have tried reducing it by half and half again in
my
Graphic manipulation Prog , But it is totally unreadable Getting all
ziggety
jaggaty edges ! . ,
Got any suggestions ? , please an thanks , Phil


Suggest you change software. I just downloaded and image is at 150 dpi
eqivalent t abt 16 by 20 and I viewed at 25 % and was very readable

Lee C

[Ernie Wright]

[email protected] wrote:

this page is for Jacob Heilmann in Ross Co Ohio 1860 . Or " Series M653
roll 1030 page 23 ( stamp ) , It is HUGE , being 88.808 Inches wide and
116.808 inches High , I have tried reducing it by half and half again in my
Graphic manipulation Prog , But it is totally unreadable Getting all ziggety
jaggaty edges ! . ,

Don't change the pixel dimensions! Change only the DPI setting.

DPI is "dots per inch." This is what your software uses to determine
the *physical* size of the image, which is important when you print it,
but isn't particularly meaningful when you display it on the screen.
The physical size is the pixel dimension divided by the DPI.

The image you downloaded is 2153 pixels wide and 3037 pixels high. With
a reasonable DPI of 150, you'd get a physical size of 14.35 inches wide
and 20.25 inches high. If you wanted to fit the whole thing on a single
sheet of 8.5 x 11 paper, you could set the DPI to 300.

I hadn't noticed the DPI problem with Ancestry's JPEGs until you asked.
For some reason, the DPI in these images is set to 26 horizontally and
20 vertically.

To fix this, you need to find out how to change the DPI in PaintShop Pro
without changing the pixel dimensions. After making the change, your
image should still be 2153 x 3037. Only the size in inches should be
different.

In Photoshop, you'd do it by UNchecking the "Resample Image" checkbox on
the Image Size dialog, after which you can either enter a new number for
the DPI or enter a new size in inches. I'm sure PSP has something like
this.

The Ancestry JPEGs appear to be slightly broken in other ways as well.
Photoshop 4.0 won't open them at all. (My own software, which uses the
open source JPEG library, opens them, and so does Mozilla.) I have PS
CS 2 on a different machine, but I've turned that off for the night, so
I won't be testing the images with that until tomorrow.

For reference, I'm downloading the image using what Ancestry calls the
Basic Image Viewer, since the OS and browser I use aren't supported by
their Enhanced viewer. The Basic viewer's "Save" is broken for me--it
sometimes, but not always, asks whether I want to save to my computer,
but it never actually sends the image--so I use "Print" instead, which
just sends the full-resolution image to the browser window, from which I
can save just as well.

My guess is that Ancestry's server is trying to change the DPI on the
fly so that the image fits the paper in my printer. Unfortunately, this
requires communication between printer driver, browser, and server that
appears not to work for you and me, and probably lots of other people.
I'd further guess that the DPI modification is being done by a ratty
little script that's damaging the JPEG stream in other ways as well.

Until Ancestry figures out how to send an image to a browser, your
options are to use the Enhanced viewer with Internet Explorer on a
supported operating system, or repair the DPI in an image processing
program willing to load Ancestry's broken JPEG files.

- Ernie http://home.comcast.net/~erniew

[Gjest]

Hello Ernie , Many Thanks !!!, I have now changed it to a pix thats 11 x 17
inches
Its a bit blurry but I can live with it , Would it not be nice If "
That Company " could be consistent with the stuff they send , Some of the
pix I get of census are only 3 by 7 inches . others are HUGE , Totally
Stupid of them !!!!!, Phil

as a side note , I DO NOT print the page , its fixed in PSP and saved in my
Brothers Keeper files

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie Wright" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: Census page on A.com question

[email protected] wrote:

this page is for Jacob Heilmann in Ross Co Ohio 1860 . Or " Series
M653
roll 1030 page 23 ( stamp ) , It is HUGE , being 88.808 Inches wide and
116.808 inches High , I have tried reducing it by half and half again in
my
Graphic manipulation Prog , But it is totally unreadable Getting all
ziggety
jaggaty edges ! . ,

Don't change the pixel dimensions! Change only the DPI setting.

[Ernie Wright]

[email protected] wrote:

Don't change the pixel dimensions! Change only the DPI setting.

Hello Ernie , Many Thanks !!!, I have now changed it to a pix thats
11 x 17 inches

Glad you were able to get something useful.

As a follow-up, it doesn't appear to matter what combination of OS and
browser one uses. The Basic viewer always produces weird DPI numbers
in the file, and always produces files that Photoshop (both 4.0 and CS2)
refuse to load. I tried it with XP using both IE and Mozilla today.

Basic "Save" is broken on my NT 4.0/Mozilla 1.5 machine, so I never knew
what it did. On my XP machine with both IE and Mozilla 1.7, it displays
the same page it does for "Print", so apparently I haven't been missing
anything.

Tried the Enhanced viewer with XP/IE, which seems to work fine. The
JPEG produced while using it is better, too. The files are about 30%
smaller, with no obvious difference in image quality and no difference
at all in pixel dimensions, and they happily load into Photoshop.

Not sure what Photoshop doesn't like about the JPEG produced with the
Basic viewer. The files are Progressive/Huffman (SOF2), while with
Enhanced they're just baseline (SOF0).

Both streams are produced by code from Lead Technologies,

http://www.leadtools.com/

which makes a lot of the invisible image manipulation software used by
other companies. Odds are nobody at Ancestry really knows what it's
doing either.

I like Ancestry, but they've always made image downloading much more
difficult and complicated than it needs to be. I have several browser
plug-ins for image display (e.g. AlternaTIFF) solely because of their
constantly changing attempts to send an image across the Internet. All
we need to do is get an image into a browser window. How hard is that?

Its a bit blurry but I can live with it ,

Changing the DPI won't affect this at all. The blurriness is from your
software (either PSP or Brothers Keeper) trying to fit the image onto
the screen. It has to scale the image to do that, so some effects of
reducing the resolution, like blurring, are unavoidable. The original
pixels in the file should be exactly as they were downloaded from
Ancestry.

- Ernie http://home.comcast.net/~erniew

[Gjest]

Ernie Wright wrote:

The Ancestry JPEGs appear to be slightly broken in other ways as well.
Photoshop 4.0 won't open them at all.

I have the same problem. Adobe Photohome (not sure what version this
is) and Adobe photoshop 5 won't open saved images which in those
programs appear to have coloured backgrounds and be very small. I find
that Corel Photo House works well though.

The Basic viewer's "Save" is broken for me--it
sometimes, but not always, asks whether I want to save to my computer,
but it never actually sends the image--so I use "Print" instead, which
just sends the full-resolution image to the browser window, from which I
can save just as well.

Same thing for me and I too use PRINT and then save.

On my desktop using WIN98, Netscape and an old Canon printer, I cannot
print directly from Ancestry to my printer for most images, although the
occasional one does print. But with a laptop, Netscape and WIN XP I can
print to the same printer.

Mostly I save images, so that I can edit out the black areas and use
Corel Photo House.

I did let Ancestry know about my printing problems but received no reply
other than a computer generated acknowledgement of receipt. Until
recently I used a pay-per-view subscription as most images would not
print for me but now that I have figured out a way to save and print I
did upgrade my subscription.

I was certainly glad to hear that I was not the only one with a problem.

Best wishes,

Jean Gilson
Winnipeg, Canada


--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/06

[Gjest]

Hello guys , Phil here , the OP of this thread , I am also glad to hear
that I am not alone with the problem of " Mis Sized Pictures " , It make me
somewhat angry that a LARGE company is unable to so a simple task , As
making a Census page picture that is Correctly sized , What is wrong with
them ?????? . , Never mind , an answer will not fix it < I believe " they"
really don`t care , To make matters worst I live 20 minutes from the Seattle
branch of the NARA , where I can get an Actual Copy of ANY census I want in
a few minutes , But making that page an Electronic Image is quite costly ,
As it needs to be scanned on a Business Sized scanner , at 20 Bucks a piece
, Doing more than 2 is out of the question , I have over 200 pages of census
records to do ! , Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Census page on A.com question

Ernie Wright wrote:



The Ancestry JPEGs appear to be slightly broken in other ways as well.
Photoshop 4.0 won't open them at all.


I have the same problem. Adobe Photohome (not sure what version this
is) and Adobe photoshop 5 won't open saved images which in those
programs appear to have coloured backgrounds and be very small. I find
that Corel Photo House works well though.


The Basic viewer's "Save" is broken for me--it
sometimes, but not always, asks whether I want to save to my computer,
but it never actually sends the image--so I use "Print" instead, which
just sends the full-resolution image to the browser window, from which I
can save just as well.

Same thing for me and I too use PRINT and then save.

On my desktop using WIN98, Netscape and an old Canon printer, I cannot
print directly from Ancestry to my printer for most images, although the
occasional one does print. But with a laptop, Netscape and WIN XP I can
print to the same printer.

Mostly I save images, so that I can edit out the black areas and use
Corel Photo House.

I did let Ancestry know about my printing problems but received no reply
other than a computer generated acknowledgement of receipt. Until
recently I used a pay-per-view subscription as most images would not
print for me but now that I have figured out a way to save and print I
did upgrade my subscription.

I was certainly glad to hear that I was not the only one with a problem.

Best wishes,

Jean Gilson
Winnipeg, Canada


--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/06

[Bill Harrison]

I have Serif's PhotoPlus 9 and it opens Ancestry.com saved census images
with no problem at all ....

regards

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Census page on A.com question

Ernie Wright wrote:



The Ancestry JPEGs appear to be slightly broken in other ways as well.
Photoshop 4.0 won't open them at all.


I have the same problem. Adobe Photohome (not sure what version this is)
and Adobe photoshop 5 won't open saved images which in those programs
appear to have coloured backgrounds and be very small. I find that Corel
Photo House works well though.


The Basic viewer's "Save" is broken for me--it
sometimes, but not always, asks whether I want to save to my computer,
but it never actually sends the image--so I use "Print" instead, which
just sends the full-resolution image to the browser window, from which I
can save just as well.

Same thing for me and I too use PRINT and then save.

On my desktop using WIN98, Netscape and an old Canon printer, I cannot
print directly from Ancestry to my printer for most images, although the
occasional one does print. But with a laptop, Netscape and WIN XP I can
print to the same printer.

Mostly I save images, so that I can edit out the black areas and use Corel
Photo House.

I did let Ancestry know about my printing problems but received no reply
other than a computer generated acknowledgement of receipt. Until
recently I used a pay-per-view subscription as most images would not print
for me but now that I have figured out a way to save and print I did
upgrade my subscription.

I was certainly glad to hear that I was not the only one with a problem.

Best wishes,

Jean Gilson
Winnipeg, Canada


--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/06