Looking for free on-line genealogy site

[Gjest]

(originally posted to s.g.misc, but just found this group)

Hi,

Firstly, apologies if this question has been raised recently. I've been
trawling through this group for at least, well, 5 minutes and haven't
been able to find an answer yet.

I'd like to be able to collaborate with my half-Polish family and the
rest of my English family in putting together a family tree, and it
strikes me that the easiest way to do this would be with an on-line
tool. We could then all fill in the gaps, and more information is
likely to get input this way.

Also, we're not going to keep trampling over each others edits as we
would if we keep sending files to each other to update.

Also, I'd like this to be free or reasonably priced.

For now, I just want to be able to go up to my geat grand parents and
(some of the way) back down again. I want to get this done soon before
my remaining grandparents pop their clogs (this is probably not the
correct genealogical term for such an event, I hope that hasn't
offended anyone

any pointers please?

I'm figuring I'll learn as I go along, but I can see it's not going to
be an easy task putting together all the complex relationships.

Thanks,

Steve Button
(used to be Steve Balazy if anyone is interested, but that wasn't my
fathers surname at birth either, he was a Borkowski)

[Dave Hinz]

On 6 Jun 2006 06:43:40 -0700, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

I'd like to be able to collaborate with my half-Polish family and the
rest of my English family in putting together a family tree, and it
strikes me that the easiest way to do this would be with an on-line
tool. We could then all fill in the gaps, and more information is
likely to get input this way.

phpgedview is a great tool for collaborative efforts. Requires a
webserver with a Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP infrastructure (very common
these days, sometimes called "LAMP").

Also, we're not going to keep trampling over each others edits as we
would if we keep sending files to each other to update.

Right. This is all done live, by a browser from wherever you are, in
such a way that as many people can be working on it as you want, at any
time, without worrying about who has what part checked out or whatever.
Ideal for a collaborative project.

Also, I'd like this to be free or reasonably priced.

It's open-source. If you don't have hosting let me know, I know some
folks who can do it.

For now, I just want to be able to go up to my geat grand parents and
(some of the way) back down again. I want to get this done soon before
my remaining grandparents pop their clogs (this is probably not the
correct genealogical term for such an event, I hope that hasn't
offended anyone

Hasn't offended me. Wish I could talk to a few of mine (I'm looking at
_you_, great-grandpa, the evasive about his past one)

any pointers please?

If what I've described about PHPGedView sounds intriguing, google up the
website or ask questions here, several of us have experimented with
and/or use it. And I can help with the hosting questions and that side
of things.

I'm figuring I'll learn as I go along, but I can see it's not going to
be an easy task putting together all the complex relationships.

Just start where you can and deal with the complexity as it comes up.
By the time you get far back enough for things to get strange, you'll
probably have enough screen time with the tool to be comfortable.

Dave Hinz

[Hugh Watkins]

[email protected] wrote:

(originally posted to s.g.misc, but just found this group)

Hi,

Firstly, apologies if this question has been raised recently. I've been
trawling through this group for at least, well, 5 minutes and haven't
been able to find an answer yet.

I'd like to be able to collaborate with my half-Polish family and the
rest of my English family in putting together a family tree, and it
strikes me that the easiest way to do this would be with an on-line
tool. We could then all fill in the gaps, and more information is
likely to get input this way.

Also, we're not going to keep trampling over each others edits as we
would if we keep sending files to each other to update.

Also, I'd like this to be free or reasonably priced.

For now, I just want to be able to go up to my geat grand parents and
(some of the way) back down again. I want to get this done soon before
my remaining grandparents pop their clogs (this is probably not the
correct genealogical term for such an event, I hope that hasn't
offended anyone

any pointers please?

I'm figuring I'll learn as I go along, but I can see it's not going to
be an easy task putting together all the complex relationships.

Thanks,

Steve Button
(used to be Steve Balazy if anyone is interested, but that wasn't my
fathers surname at birth either, he was a Borkowski)

tribalpages is loved by some

but is not fully googled

wc.rootsweb.com is brilliant at finding cousins

one of you must regualarly update the master ged file


Hugh W

[Robert Melson]

In article <[email protected]>,
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> writes:

On 6 Jun 2006 06:43:40 -0700, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

I'd like to be able to collaborate with my half-Polish family and the
rest of my English family in putting together a family tree, and it
strikes me that the easiest way to do this would be with an on-line
tool. We could then all fill in the gaps, and more information is
likely to get input this way.

phpgedview is a great tool for collaborative efforts. Requires a
webserver with a Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP infrastructure (very common
these days, sometimes called "LAMP").

Also, we're not going to keep trampling over each others edits as we
would if we keep sending files to each other to update.

Right. This is all done live, by a browser from wherever you are, in
such a way that as many people can be working on it as you want, at any
time, without worrying about who has what part checked out or whatever.
Ideal for a collaborative project.

Also, I'd like this to be free or reasonably priced.

It's open-source. If you don't have hosting let me know, I know some
folks who can do it.

For now, I just want to be able to go up to my geat grand parents and
(some of the way) back down again. I want to get this done soon before
my remaining grandparents pop their clogs (this is probably not the
correct genealogical term for such an event, I hope that hasn't
offended anyone

Hasn't offended me. Wish I could talk to a few of mine (I'm looking at
_you_, great-grandpa, the evasive about his past one)

any pointers please?

If what I've described about PHPGedView sounds intriguing, google up the
website or ask questions here, several of us have experimented with
and/or use it. And I can help with the hosting questions and that side
of things.

I'm figuring I'll learn as I go along, but I can see it's not going to
be an easy task putting together all the complex relationships.

Just start where you can and deal with the complexity as it comes up.
By the time you get far back enough for things to get strange, you'll
probably have enough screen time with the tool to be comfortable.

Dave Hinz

As Dave said, several of us have experimented with or use phpGedView - I've
used it for collaborative genealogy for the past couple of years and am quite
happy with it. I chose to host it on my own system, but there are a number of
free or low-cost sites that will do it for you, giving you the "keys to the
kingdom" for administration, etc.

To be absolutely fair, there's a share-ware program TNG (The Next Generation?)
that's very similar in look and feel to phpGedView. I've looked it over and
see no real, fuctional difference between the two. I chose phpGedView because
it was/is free and I'm enough of a "geek" that I have no problem with tweaking
the software to satisfy my requirements. As they say, YMMV.

You can get more information about phpGedView at:
http://phpgedview.sourceforge.net

About TNG at: http://lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php

Both are web-based, meaning anybody with a browser can point at the site's URL
and expect to see a consistent presentation of the genealogical information.
Both are multi-lingual, which means your Polish cousins can view the labels and
most individual information in Polish (I have mine set for Finnish for my Finn
cousins), and both seem to have a decent amount of control over who can do what
to the database once information is entered. I've chosen to let my kinfolks
edit information but have reserved the right to commit those changes to myself
only - that way there's only one person to blame if things go wrong.

If you'd like to take this discussion further, drop me an off-group email - my
reply to address is in the header. I'll happily share what I know and think I
know about these two programs and help you get set up if you have difficulties.

Bob Melson

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to
prove that the other party is unfit to rule---and both commonly succeed,
and are right." ---H. L. Mencken

[f/fgeorge]

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:30:01 +0000, Hugh Watkins
<[email protected]> wrote:

tribalpages is loved by some
but is not fully googled

just found it thanks, BUT too many databases are passworded

>Hugh W

[Hugh Watkins]

f/fgeorge wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:30:01 +0000, Hugh Watkins
[email protected]> wrote:



tribalpages is loved by some
but is not fully googled


just found it thanks, BUT too many databases are passworded

they include living people


and which is why rootsweb is better

Hugh W

[Paul Blair]

Robert Melson wrote:

Dave Hinz

As Dave said, several of us have experimented with or use phpGedView - I've
used it for collaborative genealogy for the past couple of years and am quite
happy with it. I chose to host it on my own system, but there are a number of
free or low-cost sites that will do it for you, giving you the "keys to the
kingdom" for administration, etc.

To be absolutely fair, there's a share-ware program TNG (The Next Generation?)
that's very similar in look and feel to phpGedView. I've looked it over and
see no real, fuctional difference between the two. I chose phpGedView because
it was/is free and I'm enough of a "geek" that I have no problem with tweaking
the software to satisfy my requirements. As they say, YMMV.

You can get more information about phpGedView at:
http://phpgedview.sourceforge.net

This is really for Bob and Dave, but may have wider interest.

There is a parallel "product" named GENMOD. At first glance, it is
PhpGedView (PGV) in new clothes, but it is a bit more, really, although
most of the code comes from PGV. The improvements seem to be designed to
speed things up a bit.

I'm not sure what has happened - the forum is locked, and the latest
beta release won't allow me to import a GEDCOM. Apart from that,
everything is fine!

I mention it here as a heads up, I have no connection with it.

Paul

[Robert Melson]

In article <[email protected]>,
Paul Blair <[email protected]> writes:

snip

This is really for Bob and Dave, but may have wider interest.

There is a parallel "product" named GENMOD. At first glance, it is
PhpGedView (PGV) in new clothes, but it is a bit more, really, although
most of the code comes from PGV. The improvements seem to be designed to
speed things up a bit.

I'm not sure what has happened - the forum is locked, and the latest
beta release won't allow me to import a GEDCOM. Apart from that,
everything is fine!

I mention it here as a heads up, I have no connection with it.

Paul

Paul,

Thanks. Is there a link to it? Guess I could google it, but laziness requires
I at least ask.

FYI, phpGedView is now on 4.0-beta. There were some really nasty bugs earlier
in the version 4 tree - damn ting literally "ate" both gedcom and database. I
look forward to the "production" release as, overall, v4 seems to be much
tighter code (if there is such an animal in PHP), there are more and better
reports and it early on timed much faster in tpical execution (even while
devouring gedcom and database! Maybe that was why, though, now I think on it)

Rgds,

Somnolent Ol' Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to
prove that the other party is unfit to rule---and both commonly succeed,
and are right." ---H. L. Mencken

[Paul Blair]

Robert Melson wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
Paul Blair <[email protected]> writes:
snip
This is really for Bob and Dave, but may have wider interest.

There is a parallel "product" named GENMOD. At first glance, it is
PhpGedView (PGV) in new clothes, but it is a bit more, really, although
most of the code comes from PGV. The improvements seem to be designed to
speed things up a bit.

I'm not sure what has happened - the forum is locked, and the latest
beta release won't allow me to import a GEDCOM. Apart from that,
everything is fine!

I mention it here as a heads up, I have no connection with it.

Paul

Paul,

Thanks. Is there a link to it? Guess I could google it, but laziness requires
I at least ask.

FYI, phpGedView is now on 4.0-beta. There were some really nasty bugs earlier
in the version 4 tree - damn ting literally "ate" both gedcom and database. I
look forward to the "production" release as, overall, v4 seems to be much
tighter code (if there is such an animal in PHP), there are more and better
reports and it early on timed much faster in tpical execution (even while
devouring gedcom and database! Maybe that was why, though, now I think on it)

Rgds,

Somnolent Ol' Bob

http://www.genmod.net/forum/ There is a database somewhere....you tell

me where it is!

I'm running PGV 4.0 beta 8 with media...it is doing well.

Paul

[Paul Blair]

Paul Blair wrote:

Robert Melson wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul Blair <[email protected]> writes:
snip
This is really for Bob and Dave, but may have wider interest.

There is a parallel "product" named GENMOD. At first glance, it is
PhpGedView (PGV) in new clothes, but it is a bit more, really,
although most of the code comes from PGV. The improvements seem to be
designed to speed things up a bit.

I'm not sure what has happened - the forum is locked, and the latest
beta release won't allow me to import a GEDCOM. Apart from that,
everything is fine!

I mention it here as a heads up, I have no connection with it.

Paul

Paul,

Thanks. Is there a link to it? Guess I could google it, but laziness
requires
I at least ask.

FYI, phpGedView is now on 4.0-beta. There were some really nasty bugs
earlier
in the version 4 tree - damn ting literally "ate" both gedcom and
database. I
look forward to the "production" release as, overall, v4 seems to be much
tighter code (if there is such an animal in PHP), there are more and
better
reports and it early on timed much faster in tpical execution (even while
devouring gedcom and database! Maybe that was why, though, now I
think on it)

Rgds,

Somnolent Ol' Bob

http://www.genmod.net/forum/ There is a database somewhere....you tell
me where it is!

I'm running PGV 4.0 beta 8 with media...it is doing well.

Paul

Found it - http://genmod.genview.nl/

Paul

[Robert Melson]

In article <[email protected]>,
Paul Blair <[email protected]> writes:

Paul Blair wrote:
Robert Melson wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul Blair <[email protected]> writes:
snip
This is really for Bob and Dave, but may have wider interest.

There is a parallel "product" named GENMOD. At first glance, it is
PhpGedView (PGV) in new clothes, but it is a bit more, really,
although most of the code comes from PGV. The improvements seem to be
designed to speed things up a bit.

I'm not sure what has happened - the forum is locked, and the latest
beta release won't allow me to import a GEDCOM. Apart from that,
everything is fine!

I mention it here as a heads up, I have no connection with it.

Paul

Paul,

Thanks. Is there a link to it? Guess I could google it, but laziness
requires
I at least ask.

FYI, phpGedView is now on 4.0-beta. There were some really nasty bugs
earlier
in the version 4 tree - damn ting literally "ate" both gedcom and
database. I
look forward to the "production" release as, overall, v4 seems to be much
tighter code (if there is such an animal in PHP), there are more and
better
reports and it early on timed much faster in tpical execution (even while
devouring gedcom and database! Maybe that was why, though, now I
think on it)

Rgds,

Somnolent Ol' Bob

http://www.genmod.net/forum/ There is a database somewhere....you tell
me where it is!

I'm running PGV 4.0 beta 8 with media...it is doing well.

Paul

Found it - http://genmod.genview.nl/

Paul

Thanks,

SOB

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to
prove that the other party is unfit to rule---and both commonly succeed,
and are right." ---H. L. Mencken