Newbie looking for Basic Guidance

[pjbphd]

Hello all:

I'm a newbie trying to flesh out my family tree and I'm looking for
advice on how to go about it. I have a pretty good start because
about 20 years ago, my older brother put a lot of information
together on both my mother's and father's side back four or five
generations. Both came from Ireland through Canada.

First I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a good book or
website that I can use to get up to speed on how to do genealogical
research on the web. Next I'd appreciate any software
recommendations for putting together a graphical family tree.

I know these are basic questions but thanks in advance for anything
you can offer.

pjb


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"pjbphd" <[email protected]>

[Christopher Jahn]

I'm a newbie trying to flesh out my family tree and I'm looking for
advice on how to go about it. I have a pretty good start because
about 20 years ago, my older brother put a lot of information
together on both my mother's and father's side back four or five
generations. Both came from Ireland through Canada.

First I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a good book or
website that I can use to get up to speed on how to do genealogical
research on the web. Next I'd appreciate any software
recommendations for putting together a graphical family tree.

I know these are basic questions but thanks in advance for anything
you can offer.

pjb <[email protected]

"Genealogy 101" by Barbara Renick is very good. It covers everything.


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{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

Was there dust on the mirror before Hui-Neng wiped it off?

Christopher Jahn <[email protected]>

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

I'm a newbie trying to flesh out my family tree and I'm looking for
advice on how to go about it. I have a pretty good start because
about 20 years ago, my older brother put a lot of information
together on both my mother's and father's side back four or five
generations. Both came from Ireland through Canada.

First I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a good book or
website that I can use to get up to speed on how to do genealogical
research on the web. Next I'd appreciate any software
recommendations for putting together a graphical family tree.

[email protected]

If you have 4 or 5 generations before your mother and father, that's
more than a good start. You need to enter his work on a program and
prove or disprove what he found. Unproven genealogy is worth very
little and should be clearly noted as unproven.

There are so many instruction sites I suggest you pick one for
yourself. Do a Google search on genealogy. If that's too much,
narrow the search parameters until you see something you like.

As for genealogy programs I suggest you do a Google search there
also. Several sites discuss the pros and cons of each program.
But, to get more personal I have tried almost all of them and
settled on two - Legacy and RootsMagic (assuming you use a PC).
Legacy has a freebie which can be upgraded and RM has a demo.

Hugh

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan)

[Ron Martell]

I'm a newbie trying to flesh out my family tree and I'm looking for
advice on how to go about it. I have a pretty good start because
about 20 years ago, my older brother put a lot of information
together on both my mother's and father's side back four or five
generations. Both came from Ireland through Canada.

First I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a good book or
website that I can use to get up to speed on how to do genealogical
research on the web. Next I'd appreciate any software
recommendations for putting together a graphical family tree.

"pjbphd" <[email protected]

Family Tree Research - guide for beginners:
http://www.cyndislist.com/beginner.htm

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

Ron Martell <[email protected]>

[Denis Beauregard]

Le Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:43:59 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("V. Chris
& Tom Tinney, Sr.") écrivait dans soc.genealogy.computing:

pjbphd wrote:

Hello all:

I'm a newbie trying to flesh out my family tree and I'm looking for
advice on how to go about it. I have a pretty good start because
about 20 years ago, my older brother put a lot of information
together on both my mother's and father's side back four or five
generations. Both came from Ireland through Canada.

First I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a good book or
website that I can use to get up to speed on how to do genealogical
research on the web. Next I'd appreciate any software
recommendations for putting together a graphical family tree.

I know these are basic questions but thanks in advance for anything
you can offer.

pjb


To begin with, for CANADA, try:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/regio ... htm#CANADA

what are you talking about ? your list includes some scam sites and
almost nothing explaining how to search in Quebec where there is the
more complete genealogical records in Canada.

one on the scam asks $10 to search in a set of obsolete data and is
basically made by some jerk who is using obsolete racist tags.

another is reselling stolen material (cd-rom copies of books) and
sent me some crappy email saying we "French Canadians" were some
kind of idiots.

you should avoid talking about something you obviously don't know
and advertising racist sites.


Denis

[V. Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr]

pjbphd wrote:

Hello all:

I'm a newbie trying to flesh out my family tree and I'm looking for
advice on how to go about it. I have a pretty good start because
about 20 years ago, my older brother put a lot of information
together on both my mother's and father's side back four or five
generations. Both came from Ireland through Canada.

First I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a good book or
website that I can use to get up to speed on how to do genealogical
research on the web. Next I'd appreciate any software
recommendations for putting together a graphical family tree.

I know these are basic questions but thanks in advance for anything
you can offer.

pjb


To begin with, for CANADA, try:

http://www.academic-genealogy.com/regio ... htm#CANADA

[V. Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr]

Denis Beauregard wrote:

Le Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:43:59 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("V. Chris
& Tom Tinney, Sr.") écrivait dans soc.genealogy.computing:



pjbphd wrote:



Hello all:

I'm a newbie trying to flesh out my family tree and I'm looking for
advice on how to go about it. I have a pretty good start because
about 20 years ago, my older brother put a lot of information
together on both my mother's and father's side back four or five
generations. Both came from Ireland through Canada.

First I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a good book or
website that I can use to get up to speed on how to do genealogical
research on the web. Next I'd appreciate any software
recommendations for putting together a graphical family tree.

I know these are basic questions but thanks in advance for anything
you can offer.

pjb




To begin with, for CANADA, try:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/regio ... htm#CANADA



what are you talking about ? your list includes some scam sites and
almost nothing explaining how to search in Quebec where there is the
more complete genealogical records in Canada.

one on the scam asks $10 to search in a set of obsolete data and is
basically made by some jerk who is using obsolete racist tags.

another is reselling stolen material (cd-rom copies of books) and
sent me some crappy email saying we "French Canadians" were some
kind of idiots.

you should avoid talking about something you obviously don't know
and advertising racist sites.


Denis


-----------------------------------------------------------

I do not fight "with blows of insults". Your web site,
http://WWW.FRANCOGENE.COM/genealogy:
is listed on your own "La page personnelle de Denis Beauregard"
http://www.francogene.com/denis.beaureg ... x.php?l=fr
under: "In July 1995, I inaugurated the first
Web pages French-speaking people on the genealogy, . . ."
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... D%26sa%3DG
It has also been listed at:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/regio ... htm#EUROPE

Your site was included in the MEDITERRANEAN - EUROPE
section; thus. I am not including just English (a.k.a.) "scam"
sites; or, "almost nothing explaining how to search in Quebec
where there is the more complete genealogical records
in Canada." You should avoid talking about something
you obviously have not thoroughly reviewed; i.e.,
The Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory.
Your web site is multinational and does not fit in Canada, alone.
I respect your French heritage, my own American and
all other heritage. We are all children of the same God.

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] - 2004
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, {both editions]
Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

[Denis Beauregard]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 04:07:19 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("V. Chris
& Tom Tinney, Sr.") wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:

I do not fight "with blows of insults". Your web site,
http://WWW.FRANCOGENE.COM/genealogy:
is listed on your own "La page personnelle de Denis Beauregard"
http://www.francogene.com/denis.beaureg ... x.php?l=fr
under: "In July 1995, I inaugurated the first
Web pages French-speaking people on the genealogy, . . ."
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... D%26sa%3DG
It has also been listed at:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/regio ... htm#EUROPE

Your site was included in the MEDITERRANEAN - EUROPE
section; thus. I am not including just English (a.k.a.) "scam"
sites; or, "almost nothing explaining how to search in Quebec
where there is the more complete genealogical records
in Canada." You should avoid talking about something
you obviously have not thoroughly reviewed; i.e.,
The Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory.
Your web site is multinational and does not fit in Canada, alone.

When a site covers many area, you should be practical ! Someone
looking for a specific area will not check the sites having a lot
of content and covering many area.

I respect your French heritage, my own American and
all other heritage. We are all children of the same God.

You posted a list of "Canada" links. Except the recent Canadian
government web site (genealogy.gc.ca), all the links having some
"how to" guides are from out of Quebec sites. NONE OF THEM is
in Quebec. And if you knew anything about Quebec specifics, you
would know that most Quebec genealogy back to the 1600s is based on
vital records only. Census are rarely necessary while they are
very usefull for all other provinces. So, someone doing Quebec
genealogy (and while I prefer this to be false, Quebec is still
a part of Canada) just can't use the Canadian model to do genealogy.

If you ever visited my site, you would see there is an English
version for many pages, including a home page in English at
http://www.francogene.com/genealogy (it is also shown automatically
if you set up your web browser to prefer the English version of
sites, something you may not be used to, as more American believe
all sites are in their language automatically and from the top
or they will use some web translator).

For the page you gave, if you go to the last line, you will see
a link for the English version
http://www.francogene.com/denis.beaureg ... x.php?l=en

BTW, your presentation of the French sites is quite strange.

* FranceGenWeb: Annuaire Généalogique Internet (French),
France Research Outline, French Genealogy: FrancoGene.com,
Related Web Sites and Research Guidance - France
Franco-American, French and French-Canadian Genealogy.

FranceGenWeb is one site, but with ":", someone will think this
is made from the other links.

Annuaire Généalogique Internet (French) is an obsolete list of
links, not maintained since 1998 and anyway, the link is for
something else not related at all.

Gallica (French) : you should say what it is, i.e. online
library of scanned books

Master Index of Acadian Genealogy : this is another scam.
The guy republishing material "not for profit" meaning no
profit for the one who made the work. This site is useless
and is a mere index of junk CD-ROMs (the kind of quality you
will find FOR FREE from Family Search). If you check the pages,
you will see 75% of a page is typically advertisement for those
CD-ROMs. If you check the list of links, you will see many
links are repeated many times to keep readers on the site.
That jerk even posted for a while my home address and used
my name without even advising me to try to get some credit.

So please, check the sites you put on your list...


Denis

[V. Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr]

Denis Beauregard wrote:

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 04:07:19 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("V. Chris
& Tom Tinney, Sr.") wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:



I do not fight "with blows of insults". Your web site,
http://WWW.FRANCOGENE.COM/genealogy:
is listed on your own "La page personnelle de Denis Beauregard"
http://www.francogene.com/denis.beaureg ... x.php?l=fr
under: "In July 1995, I inaugurated the first
Web pages French-speaking people on the genealogy, . . ."
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... D%26sa%3DG
It has also been listed at:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/regio ... htm#EUROPE





Your site was included in the MEDITERRANEAN - EUROPE
section; thus. I am not including just English (a.k.a.) "scam"
sites; or, "almost nothing explaining how to search in Quebec
where there is the more complete genealogical records
in Canada." You should avoid talking about something
you obviously have not thoroughly reviewed; i.e.,
The Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory.
Your web site is multinational and does not fit in Canada, alone.



When a site covers many area, you should be practical ! Someone
looking for a specific area will not check the sites having a lot
of content and covering many area.



I respect your French heritage, my own American and
all other heritage. We are all children of the same God.



You posted a list of "Canada" links. Except the recent Canadian
government web site (genealogy.gc.ca), all the links having some
"how to" guides are from out of Quebec sites. NONE OF THEM is
in Quebec. And if you knew anything about Quebec specifics, you
would know that most Quebec genealogy back to the 1600s is based on
vital records only. Census are rarely necessary while they are
very usefull for all other provinces. So, someone doing Quebec
genealogy (and while I prefer this to be false, Quebec is still
a part of Canada) just can't use the Canadian model to do genealogy.

If you ever visited my site, you would see there is an English
version for many pages, including a home page in English at
http://www.francogene.com/genealogy (it is also shown automatically
if you set up your web browser to prefer the English version of
sites, something you may not be used to, as more American believe
all sites are in their language automatically and from the top
or they will use some web translator).

For the page you gave, if you go to the last line, you will see
a link for the English version
http://www.francogene.com/denis.beaureg ... x.php?l=en

BTW, your presentation of the French sites is quite strange.

* FranceGenWeb: Annuaire Généalogique Internet (French),
France Research Outline, French Genealogy: FrancoGene.com,
Related Web Sites and Research Guidance - France
Franco-American, French and French-Canadian Genealogy.

FranceGenWeb is one site, but with ":", someone will think this
is made from the other links.

Annuaire Généalogique Internet (French) is an obsolete list of
links, not maintained since 1998 and anyway, the link is for
something else not related at all.

Gallica (French) : you should say what it is, i.e. online
library of scanned books

Master Index of Acadian Genealogy : this is another scam.
The guy republishing material "not for profit" meaning no
profit for the one who made the work. This site is useless
and is a mere index of junk CD-ROMs (the kind of quality you
will find FOR FREE from Family Search). If you check the pages,
you will see 75% of a page is typically advertisement for those
CD-ROMs. If you check the list of links, you will see many
links are repeated many times to keep readers on the site.
That jerk even posted for a while my home address and used
my name without even advising me to try to get some credit.

So please, check the sites you put on your list...


Denis



I do check my sites. Thank you for your personal

evaluations. I assume you noted that in the initial posting
of "Newbie looking for Basic Guidance", that it was
stated: "Both came from Ireland through Canada.", which
would of course indicate that all of the information you
present is ethnic ranting, irrelevant to the case at hand.

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] - 2004
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, {both editions]
Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

[Denis Beauregard]

Le Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:47:29 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("V. Chris
& Tom Tinney, Sr.") écrivait dans soc.genealogy.computing:

I do check my sites. Thank you for your personal

No

evaluations. I assume you noted that in the initial posting
of "Newbie looking for Basic Guidance", that it was
stated: "Both came from Ireland through Canada.", which
would of course indicate that all of the information you
present is ethnic ranting, irrelevant to the case at hand.

Except for orangists from Northern Ireland/Ulster, most
Irish were catholic. This means there is a good chance this
line followed the typical path which is a ship to Quebec in the
1830s, then some generations that could be found in catholic
records with the full names of parents.

If you follow the typical protestant trail presented on "how to"
guides, you will have to check each census page by page (and
except 1901/06/11, none is online), until the ship arrivals,
and yet again many reels of microfilms.

But if you follow the typical catholic trail, usually not presented
in out of Quebec web sites, you will find the whole line in about
10 minutes.

Suppose you have 100 sites about black or jewish genealogy made
by black or jew, and 5 sites about the same topics made by wasp
(white anglo-saxon protestants) and you list only the 5 wasp sites
and not some of the 100 other, how would you call that ? Surely
not "respect".


Denis

[Denis Beauregard]

Le Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:40:26 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("V. Chris
& Tom Tinney, Sr.") écrivait dans soc.genealogy.computing:

Denis Beauregard wrote:

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 04:07:19 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("V. Chris
& Tom Tinney, Sr.") wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:


Your site was included in the MEDITERRANEAN - EUROPE
section;

When a site covers many area, you should be practical ! Someone
looking for a specific area will not check the sites having a lot
of content and covering many area.


REPLY:
The "2005 FGS Conference "highlighted many leading-edge
trends and technologies that are improving genealogy."
The wave of the future includes sites having content covering many areas;
indeed, eventually the effort will be to have worldwide surname searching.
The Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory promotes
future trends for genealogy and family history research.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... s_2005.asp
http://www2.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-b ... 5&ew=SSGFI

Typical paper work: you put the data in one place because you need
physical place for it.

Computer based data has not that problem and you should put as many
links as needed. If you check your log, you will see how visitors
are using your pages. I don't see the reason you don't do that.
See how I organized my index for my recent GFAN database. Because of
dit names, one can be known under 2 or more family name. In most
work, you will have to check all the possible dit names. In my index,
I repeated the data under both names, making it faster to get the
answer. See the Rivard entries at the bottom of
http://francogene.com/genealogie-quebec/999/123.php
Rivard is likely the name with the higher number of dit names.

If you ever visited my site, you would see there is an English
version for many pages, including a home page in English at
http://www.francogene.com/genealogy


REPLY:
I have visited your site many times and did note your English version.

BTW, your presentation of the French sites is quite strange.

* FranceGenWeb: Annuaire Généalogique Internet (French),
France Research Outline, French Genealogy: FrancoGene.com,
Related Web Sites and Research Guidance - France
Franco-American, French and French-Canadian Genealogy.

FranceGenWeb is one site, but with ":", someone will think this
is made from the other links.


REPLY:
The colon ":" is used in the proper way, as noted by the dictionary.
A punctuation mark (:) used to introduce . . . a list.
A punctuation mark (:) used after a word introducing a quotation,
an explanation, an example, or a series . . .
http://www.answers.com/colon&r=67

Then why did you put the first element of the list on the left side
of the colon ?

Annuaire Généalogique Internet (French) is an obsolete list of
links, not maintained since 1998 and anyway, the link is for
something else not related at all.


REPLY:
Annuaire Généalogique Internet (French)
http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... uage_tools
This is a very current event site, with last entry, upon checking, on 15
Sep 2005.

AGI was a mere list of web sites, used for a scam (many people were
harrassed by the site owner). Guide genealogique is some else not
related at all. It is like if someone put "Yahoo" on a link title
with a google URL. Call it "Genealogy Guide (in French)" if you want
to describe the content...

Gallica (French) : you should say what it is, i.e. online
library of scanned books


REPLY:
This is a scholarly research site created for practical usage,
with verbalization kept to a minimum. If a person wishes
to use the site effectively, he or she has the responsibility
to search it out for all of its internal value and information.
It is worldwide in scope.

Scholarly ? Don't confuse users and site. The site is owned by
the BNF, French equivalent of LC in Washington. If you present it
only as "Gallica", then only those who already know it will use it.
And if they already know it, they probably know the URL and don't
need one more link... But if you want to introduce the site, then
you should give more details.

Denis


MORE Denis: from later post
"But if you follow the typical catholic trail, usually not presented
in out of Quebec web sites, you will find the whole line in about
10 minutes."

REPLY:
This is an excellent comment. That is why I have already
included your site: FrancoGene.com

Where ? I don't see it under Canada
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/regio ... htm#CANADA
So, someone looking for a catholic migration path will miss it.

END REPLY:
The only "wasp sites" I am concerned about are those that
form around the top of my house roof, within the woodwork.

Denis

[CWatters]

Next I'd appreciate any software
recommendations for putting together a graphical family tree.

"pjbphd" <[email protected]

Try PAF free from..
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp

See under order/download products

[V. Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr]

Denis Beauregard wrote:

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 04:07:19 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("V. Chris
& Tom Tinney, Sr.") wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:


Your site was included in the MEDITERRANEAN - EUROPE
section;

When a site covers many area, you should be practical ! Someone
looking for a specific area will not check the sites having a lot
of content and covering many area.


REPLY:

The "2005 FGS Conference "highlighted many leading-edge
trends and technologies that are improving genealogy."
The wave of the future includes sites having content covering many areas;
indeed, eventually the effort will be to have worldwide surname searching.
The Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory promotes
future trends for genealogy and family history research.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... s_2005.asp
<http://www2.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/ssgfi/anzeige.pl?db=meta&nr=000665&ew=SSGFI>

If you ever visited my site, you would see there is an English
version for many pages, including a home page in English at
http://www.francogene.com/genealogy


REPLY:

I have visited your site many times and did note your English version.

BTW, your presentation of the French sites is quite strange.

* FranceGenWeb: Annuaire Généalogique Internet (French),
France Research Outline, French Genealogy: FrancoGene.com,
Related Web Sites and Research Guidance - France
Franco-American, French and French-Canadian Genealogy.

FranceGenWeb is one site, but with ":", someone will think this
is made from the other links.


REPLY:

The colon ":" is used in the proper way, as noted by the dictionary.
A punctuation mark (:) used to introduce . . . a list.
A punctuation mark (:) used after a word introducing a quotation,
an explanation, an example, or a series . . .
http://www.answers.com/colon&r=67

Annuaire Généalogique Internet (French) is an obsolete list of
links, not maintained since 1998 and anyway, the link is for
something else not related at all.


REPLY:

Annuaire Généalogique Internet (French)
http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... uage_tools
This is a very current event site, with last entry, upon checking, on 15
Sep 2005.

Gallica (French) : you should say what it is, i.e. online
library of scanned books


REPLY:

This is a scholarly research site created for practical usage,
with verbalization kept to a minimum. If a person wishes
to use the site effectively, he or she has the responsibility
to search it out for all of its internal value and information.
It is worldwide in scope.

Denis


MORE Denis: from later post

"But if you follow the typical catholic trail, usually not presented
in out of Quebec web sites, you will find the whole line in about
10 minutes."

REPLY:
This is an excellent comment. That is why I have already
included your site: FrancoGene.com

END REPLY:
The only "wasp sites" I am concerned about are those that
form around the top of my house roof, within the woodwork.

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] - 2004
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, {both editions]
Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

[pjbphd]

Thanks all for great advice. It's nice to find a newsgroup without
immediate flamers or lurking trollers.

pjb

"pjbphd" <[email protected]>

[Denis Beauregard]

"pjbphd" <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm a newbie trying to flesh out my family tree and I'm looking for
advice on how to go about it. I have a pretty good start because
about 20 years ago, my older brother put a lot of information
together on both my mother's and father's side back four or five
generations. Both came from Ireland through Canada.

First thing to learn is that Canada has basically 2 level of
government (like USA). Each province has it own rules for vital
records and availability while the federal level is good for census,
military records and ships.

So, before going further, you should say where in Canada were your
ancestors.

First I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a good book or
website that I can use to get up to speed on how to do genealogical
research on the web. Next I'd appreciate any software
recommendations for putting together a graphical family tree.

Legacy is probably the best choice at this time. genbox seems to be
the next one.


Denis

[email protected]

[Sherry]

<snip>

First I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a good book or
website that I can use to get up to speed on how to do genealogical
research on the web. Next I'd appreciate any software
recommendations for putting together a graphical family tree.
snip
pjb "pjbphd" <[email protected]

My favorite book is Unpuzzling Your Past by Emily Croome!

Sherry