Gudmund Friedrich Mürer

[dn19523]

Min tippoldefar het Fredrik Myhre f:1851. I tellingen for 1900 står det at fødestedet hans er Sandvigen i Bergen. I 1865-tellingen står det at fødestedet hans er Molde.

I følge dåpsbøkene for Molde 1851 het mor Inger Olsdtr, og faren Gudmann Frederich eller Frederik Mûrer, og at min tippoldefar var et "uekte" barn..... Det står noe om Bergen i dåpsboken, men jeg klarer ikke å tyde dette. I 1865 finner jeg en Fredrik Myre i Bergen som pleiesønn hos snekkermester Christian Knoff (I Sandvigen), og da er Fredrik 14 år gammel. Alderen stemmer.. Fredrik Myhre finner jeg igjen i Hermannsdalen i Lofoten. Men, jeg finner ikke Gudmann Mûrer noen steder hverken før eller etter 1851..... [/u]

[Carsten Henrik Schanche]

Kanskje det er denne agenten

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... rk=11#ovre

[Else Berit Rustad]

I kirkeboka står det om barnets foreldre:

Pigen Inger Olsdtr. Røbek. Til Barnefader er udlagt gift Mand Gudmann Frederik Mürer, der skal være separeret fra sin Huustro i Bergen. Hendes første Leiermaal.

Mvh Else B.

[dn19523]

Tusen takk for hjelpen. Det ser veldig riktig ut.....

[dn10177]

Svar fra P.G. på http://home.no.net/pgjendem. Mellomnavnet Saabye pekte på Monrath og Ipsen i Brenderup på Fyn som oppviser fornavnene Palle og Gudmund. Riktigere er pekerne til distriktskirurgene i Svendborg representert ved prof. Thomas Christopher Mührer (1794-1873) Dansk biografisk Lexikon XII s 34. Mer peiling har Jan Dambaek ([email protected]) som lister slekta til Johann Nicolaus Mürer f. 1740 Reiffenhausen i Hannover(Kilde: doktor Lorentz Heister: "Chirurgie", trykt Nürnberg 1824). Kirurgendeltok som regimentskirurg 1757 i Slaget ved Rossbach under 7-årskrigen 1754-63) hvor Fredrik 2 av Preussen var Napoleon stryk. Det er altså feil når Palle kalles Myrer som hos i John Harrys "Moldefolk". For han er hannoveraner, altså skal han kallesMürer. Jeg tillater meg å liste slekta på Sjælland kort som følger:

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Hans Christian Mürer, f. 26 mai 1656 i Tyskland. Han giftet seg med Elisabeth Hedvig Diderich, gift 10 feb 1687 i Tyskland. Hans gravlagt 23 feb 1736 i Hannover, Tyskland.
I. Johann Claus Hansen Mürer, f. 2 jan 1689 i Tyskland. Han giftet seg med Catharine Elisabeth Siewert, gift 14 jan 1721 i Tyskland. Johann døde 16 okt 1761 i Reiffenhausen, Hannover, Tyskland.
A. Johan Nicolaus Johannsen Mürer, f. 29 jan 1730 i Reiffenhausen, Hannover, Tyskland. Han giftet seg i Hannover med Helene Johanne Bredsdorff.
1. Palle Saabye Johannsen Mürer, f. 1774 i Svendborg, Sjælland, Danmark. Han giftet seg med Marie Christine, gift i Svendborg, Sjælland, Danmark, f. i Molde, Møre og Romsdal.
a. Christopher P. Mürer, f. 1800.
b. Pauline Sophia P. Mürer, f. ca 23 mai 1802 i Molde.
c. Johanna Margaretha Pallesdtr. Mürer.
d. NN Pallesen Mürer, gravlagt 29 jun 1811 i Molde.
e. Gudmund Fredrik Pallesen Mürer, f. 1818 i Molde, Møre og Romsdal. Forhold til Inger Olsdtr. Sigerset Røbekk, f. 10 apr 1824 i Sigerset, Bolsøy, Møre og Romsdal, (datter av Ole Eriksen Staurset Sigerset Røbekk og Anne Ingebrigtsdtr. Dalset (Røbekk)). Han giftet seg med (2) Anna Magdalena Friele, f. 1822 i Domkirken krins, Bergen, Hordaland, d. 1895 i København, Danmark.
(1) Fredrik Gudmundsen Mürer, f. 1851 i Molde, Møre og Romsdal.
2. Thomas Christopher Johannsen Mürer, f. 16 apr 1794 i Svendborg, Sjælland, Danmark. Han giftet seg med Elisabeth Augusta (Petersdtr.) van Wylich, gift 1826 i København, Danmark, f. i København, Danmark, (datter av Peter Friedrich von Wylich) d. i København, Danmark. Thomas døde 20 feb 1873 i København, Danmark.

[dn19523]

Jeg tok kontakt med Jan Dambaek som igjen tok kontakt med Erik Mürer. Sistnevnte bor i Florida og har skrevet en slektsbok om Mürerklanen. For spesielt interesserte heter den "Our clans- Your roots and heritage-".

[dn10177]

Svar fra PG. Slik skal det gjøres.

[gj05249]

Hi, I am a great, great, great granddaughter of Gudmund Friedrich Murer. I am descended from his granddaughter who emigrated to Australia. I am able to understand a little Norwegian and Danish and can tell the information on this forum is very important to my understanding of the Murer history. I would be very grateful if someone could provide an English translation of this information. Thank you.

[dn10177]

A reply from Per Gjendem at http://home.no.net/pgjendem.

Hi again!

We're so impressed at your tracing of our local historical research in Scandinavia related to the Mürer-family. Hopefully you'll be so kind as to pass on a letter or a file to update us on the distribution of your ancestors worldwide. In return I can promise you a copy of a dvd-film "The blue city. Four seasons of Molde". No more than a carrot for the rabbits. The discovery that you're able to link on to presentday family-members in Norway, is a stunning piece of information. Here comes my regular address: P.G. PO Box 2199, 6402 Molde, Norway. Don't hesitate contacting the other contributors on the search-side of "Slektforum", M&R, as well. Everybody is of cource thrilled to receive such wonderful news from down yonder, popping up quite out of the blue. The world is indeed getting smaller year by year. By the way, have your contacted your Californian branch of family yet?

[gj05249]

Thank you for those kind words. Google can lead you to all corners of the world. Hello to all my relatives in Norway! I think I have managed to translate all the entries regarding Gudmand Murer but would just like to check with you that I have the correct understanding. Gudmand had an affair with an unmarried girl (Inger) and she became pregnant. Gudmand was separated from his wife and was deceased at the time of the birth of the child. Is this correct?

Does anyone know where and when Gudmand died?
I thought there must be a scandal involving Gudmand and his wife, Anna Magdalene Friele, so I am quite excited to find an answer at last.
There was an old family story that Gudmand and Anna Magdalene left Norway when their son, Leonhardt Frederik Saabye Murer (born 1847 Bergen) was 2 years old. They first went to Denmark, then decided to move to Germany, but soon returned to Denmark. I discovered this story was untrue when I found this census of Anna Magdalene and her son, Leonhardt, living in Svendborg Amt in 1850 with an unknown man:

svendborg, Vindinge, Ellinge, Bekstrup Bye, , Et huus, 52, FT-1850
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Jens Jørgen Frøyland 31 Ugift Telegraphbestyrer??, huusfader Bergen i Norge
Anne Magdelena Mürer fød ?? 25 Enke(mand) Huusholderske (housekeeper) Bergen i Norge
Leonhard Frederik Saaby Mürer 3 Ugift Hendes søn Bergen i Norge

I have since been trying to find what happened to Gudmand. Now I know he was quite busy elsewhere!

Gudmand and Anna Magdalene Friele had another son - Heinrich Johan Friele von Murer born 1845 in Bergen. He is listed in the 1865 census for Bergen, living with his aunt, Charlotte Amalie Gram Friele and his grandmother, Inger Christine Friele (nee Hansen).

In 1885 he is living in København:
kbhv, København (Staden), Danmarksgade (Lige numre), No. 18, , 2. Sal Th, 4, FT-1885
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place
Henrik Johan Triele Murer, 39, Gift, Husfader, Maskinkonstruktør , Norge
Conradine Sophie Murer, 39, Gift, Husmoder, , Dragør
Bertrand Christian Julius Murer, 15, Ugift, Barn, Volontør, Norge
Petra Conradine Murer, 14, Ugift, Barn, , Norge
Dagmar Henriette Murer, 12, Ugift, Barn, , Norge
Charles Emil Murer, 9, Ugift, Barn, , Norge
Frederik Johan Murer, 7, Ugift, Barn, , Norge

My great, great grandfather, Leonhardt Frederik Saabye Murer (baptised 6 June 1847 Domkirken, Bergen) became a policeman in København. In this census he is shown with a child from his first marriage:

København, Smørum, Høje Taastrup, Taastrup Valby, , 1 Huus, 275, FT-1880
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Anna Magdalene ?? 57 Enke Moder til Politibetjent Bergen
Leonhardt Frederik Saaby Muhn 31 Enkemand Politibetjent Bergen
Anna Magdalene Muhn 4 Ugift Barn Barn efter samme Kjøbenhavn

He married my great, great grandmother, Julianne Marie Andersen Koch (born 1855, Gudhjem, Bornholm) in 1883 and they had four surviving children. Their daughter, Emma Margrethe Murer (born 1885 Høje Taastrup sogn, København Amt) is my great grandmother. She and her husband, Ludvig Emil Larsen, and several children, emigrated to Queensland, Australia in 1914.

Leonhardt and Julianne's children were:

Agnes Frederikke Murer 1884-1884
Emma Margrethe Murer 1885-1959
Ellen Marie Murer 1886-1886
Andrea Caroline Murer 1888-1888
Gerda Emilie Murer 1890-
Ingeborg Wilhelmine Murer 1893-1953
Johan Bjarne Murer 1895-1968

Emma was the only one to emigrate. She had 12 children. I have much information regarding their lives and the lives of their children if anyone is interested.

As far as my knowledge of Gudmand's family - I know his parents were Palle Saabye Murer (baptised 11 Aug 1774 Sct Nicolai sogn, Svendborg) and Marie Christiane Myhre (baptised 5 August 1774 Sct Nicolai sogn, Svendborg). They were married 28 February 1800 in Sct Nicolai sogn, Svendborg and they lived in Molde where he was a surgeon. I have the following children for them: Johan Christopher born 1800, Palline Sofie born 1802, Johanne Margaretha born 1804, ? born 1811, Marie Christiana born 1812 and Gudmand Friedrich born 1818.

Palle's father was Johan Nicolai Murer (buried 31 January 1824 Sct Nicolai sogn, Svendborg), also a surgeon, and his mother was Johanne Margrethe Pallesdatter Saabye (buried 19 April 1781 Sct Nicolai, Svendborg). I have more history about her family.
I have these census records:

Svendborg, Sunds, Svendborg Købstad, , , Skattergade, 98, FT-1787
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place
Johan Nicolaj Myhre, 44, Gift, Huswbonde, Stadskirurg
Helene Johanne Brestorp, 32, Gift, Kone, ,
Georg Nicolaj Myhre, 18, Ugift, Søn I Mandens 1.ægsk,
Palesopy Myhre, 12, Ugift, Søn I Mandens 2.ægsk,
Morten Brestorp, 12, Ugift, Konens Brodersøn,
Maren Nielsdatter, 22, Ugift, Tjenestepige,
Johanne Hansdatter, 16, Ugift, Tjenestepige, ,

Svendborg, Sunds, Svendborg Købstad, , , Skattergade, 117/168, FT-1801
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place
Johan Nicolay Myhre, 59, Enke(mand) Husbond, Chirurgus
Cathrine Elisabeth *, 14, Ugift, Datter, ,
Johanne Margrethe *, 11, Ugift, Datter, ,
Rasmus Pettersen, 22, Ugift, Tjenestekarl, ,
Margrethe Mørch, 19, Ugift, Tjenestepige, ,
Anna Christine Nielsdatter, 21, Ugift, Tjenestepige, ,

Johan Nicolai Murer was first married to person unknown and had a child: Georg Nicolaj Murer born 1769, then he married Johanne Margrethe Pallesdatter Saabye about 1773 and had a child: Palle Saabye Murer born 1774, then he married Helene Johanne Bredsdorff about 1786 and had the children: Cathrine Elisabeth Murer born 1787, Johanne Margrethe Murer born 1789, Christiane Elisabeth Murer born 1794, Thomas Christopher Murer born 1794, all in Svendborg.

Marie Christiane Myhre's family were Christoffer Myhre and Anna Sophie Lange, married 21 April 1762 Vor Frue Kirke, Svendborg. I don't know much about this family but wonder if they originate from Molde?

Svendborg, Sunds, Svendborg Købstad, , , Brogade, 201, FT-1787
Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place
Christopher Myhre, 59, Gift, Husbond, Toldcontroleur,
Sophie Lange, 48, Gift, Kone, ,
Cathrine Elisabeth, 17, Ugift, Datter, ,
Marie Christine, 13, Ugift, Datter, ,
Fredrik Christian, 9, Ugift, Søn, ,
Kirsten Larsdatter, 29, Ugift, Tjenestepige,

They had at least 9 children: Michael born 1763, Maria born 1764, Gudmund Frederik born 1765, Maria born 1767, Karen Haverum born 1768, Cathrine Elisabeth born 1770, Christiana born 1771, Marie Christiane born 1774 and baptised 5 Aug 1774 in Sankt Nicolai sogn, Svendborg and Frederik Christian born 1778.

These Murer and Myhre families are confusing as sometimes they are "Murer" and sometimes they are"Myhre". Would you please let me know if you disagree with any of my details above? I have a little information on Palle Saabye Murer from "Medisinalmeldingene 1804" but am unable to read it. I have had to teach myself to read 'old Danish' to understand the old church books but I am not very good at modern Danish and Norwegian. It is very difficult for me to use this website as I can't understand the instructions! I do not know how to use the 'search-side' of Slektforum as yet but will try to work it out.

I am very excited to find birth information and names of parents and grandparents of Johan Nicolai Murer - is this information definite or just a possibility?

I would be happy to share any more information I have with anyone who is interested - and would greatly appreciate any extra information you have to share on our ancestors.

Per, I would love to have the DVD. I do not know about my Californian relatives or about the book from Florida. My email is [email protected]

Thank you so much for your reply, Per.
Bye
Michelle - from the Sunshine Coast, 100km north of Brisbane.

[dn10177]

Another reply from P.G. at http://home.no.net/pgjendem.

Thank you first of all so much for your skilful recapitulation of family-events. Your pressing questions must be studied one by one. Such as where did he die? Our systematical friend John Harry Aarønes in Florø, Sogn og Fjordane, arose my interest into the issue at his column "Moldefolk", speaking about Myrer. So I dug down into the church cronicle of Bolsøy (incorporated into Molde), and disclosed a couple of facts. Here goes: "Pige" (viz maid, unmarried woman) Inger Olsdtr. Røbekk had an illegitimate babyboy called Fredrik Myhre (Norw. spelling for Danish Mürer), as stated in Molde ministerial book 1851 at his christening. Witnesses: Erick Eckren, Andreas Sigerset, Christopher Sigerset, Malene Ekren, Martha Sigerset and Synøv Ødegaard. Ekren and Sigerset are farmnames of Bolsøy. The young mom appears at a concirmation on 8. October 1838 i the Church of Bolsøy: Inger Olsdtr. Røbekk, borne on 10. April 1824. Father: Ole Eriksen Røbekk. Mother: Ane Ingebrigtsdaughter. In Bolsøy Ch. Book we are told the child's dad was "married man Gudmund Frederik Mürer from Bergen, presently separated from his wedded wife (Anna M. Friele untold). Subsequently Gudmund is well and alive in Bergen. Next Inger Røbekk takes off for Bergen. Emigrant nr. 9 from Molde:; Inger Olsdtr. Røbekk (30 1/2 years old) to Bergen on 4. October 1854. Folio 66 in Molde Ch.B. Next I made a search for the babyboy in Bergen, and he is observed as an adopted son of a family in Sandviken (district of Bergen town) in the Bergen sensus of 1865. Our assumption will therefore be that the halfbrother from Molde grew up to become an adult. However it still remains to trace Gudmund Frederik in Bergen. He seems to be a restless soul and might have emigrated again e.g. to Denmark or the USA.

[dn10177]

[quote="Per Gjendem"]Another reply from P.G. at http://home.no.net/pgjendem.

Thank you first of all so much for your skilful recapitulation of family-events. Your pressing questions must be studied one by one. Such as where did he die? Our systematical friend John Harry Aarønes in Florø, Sogn og Fjordane, arose my interest into the issue at his column "Moldefolk", speaking about Myrer. So I dug down into the church cronicle of Bolsøy (incorporated into Molde), and disclosed a couple of facts. Here goes: "Pige" (viz maid, unmarried woman): Inger Olsdtr. Røbekk had an illegitimate babyboy called Fredrik Myhre (Norw. spelling for Danish Mürer), as stated in Molde ministerial book 1851 at his christening. Witnesses: Erick Eckren, Andreas Sigerset, Christopher Sigerset, Malene Ekren, Martha Sigerset and Synøv Ødegaard. Ekren and Sigerset are farmnames of Bolsøy. The young mom appears at a concirmation on 8. October 1838 i the Church of Bolsøy: Inger Olsdtr. Røbekk, borne on 10. April 1824. Father: Ole Eriksen Røbekk. Mother: Ane Ingebrigtsdaughter. In Bolsøy Ch. Book we are told the child's dad was "married man Gudmund Frederik Mürer from Bergen, presently separated from his wedded wife" (Anna M. Friele untold). Subsequently Gudmund is well and alive in Bergen. Next Inger Røbekk takes off for Bergen. Emigrant nr. 9 from Molde: Inger Olsdtr. Røbekk (30 1/2 years old) to Bergen on 4. October 1854. Folio 66 in Molde Ch.B. Next I made a search for the babyboy in Bergen, and he is observed as an adopted son of a family in Sandviken (district of Bergen town) in the Bergen sensus of 1865. Our assumption will therefore be that the halfbrother from Molde grew up to become an adult. However it still remains the task of tracing Gudmund Frederik in Bergen or beyond. Did he perhaps settle for Inger Røbekk at a randevou in Bergen? He seems to be a restless soul and might have emigrated again e.g. to the Continent or to the USA. Anna Magdalena Friele seems to have remarried (2: Niels Christian Kofoed in 1854, 3: Hans Øllgaard Theodor Fryd in 1868.) Jens Jørgen Søyland seems to have been just an occasional landlord./quote]

[gj05249]

Thank you Per for clarifying my translations for me. Sorry to bombard you with so many questions. Thanks for alerting me to another marriage for Anna Magdalene Friele to Hans Fryd.

[dn10177]

Another reply from P.G. at http://home.no.net/pgjendem

It is time to sum up the halfbrother's history in Lofoten Nordland. First the wedding. Copulation nr. 15 Moskenes 1877, Folio 179. Wedding on 7. October 1877: Bachelor fisherman Fredrik Mürer, born 22-10-1851 in Molde, M&R, presently Hermannsdalen, Moskenes island, Flagstad, Lofoten, Nordland with maid Jørgine Lorentine Krom Thomasdtr. born 13-2-1859 at Hermannsdalen, Dads: Gudmun(d) Mürer and Thomas Johannesen Hermannsdalen. Next her christening: Dad: Farmer Thomas Johannesen, Mom: Karen Johnsdtr. Hermannsdal, Babyname: Jørgine Lorentine Krom Thomasdtr. Nr. 15 born 13. February 1859, christened Moskenes Ch. 29. May 1859. Witnesses: Jacob Vednes, Johan Vindstad, Helmer Hermandsdal, Anna Vindstad, Gjertrud Vednes. Finally her emansipation 1874 on 5. July 1874 at Moskenes Ch. Nr. 3, Folio 133: Jørgine Lorentine Krom Thomasdtr (15 1/12 old). D: Farmer Thomas Johannesen M: Karen Johansdaughter , Date of birth 13-2-1854. This will have to do for the time being. Send a postcard and the dvd will be on its way at once. As displayed throu a Brother's Keeper-file:

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Gudmund Frederik Pallesen Mürer, f. 1818 i Molde, Møre og Romsdal. Han giftet seg med (1) Anna Magdalena Henriksdtr. Friele, gift 1845 i Bergen, Hordaland, f. 1822 i Domkirken krins, Bergen, Hordaland, (datter av Henrik Johan Johansen Friele og Inger Christine (Tina) Hansen) d. 1895 i København, Danmark. Forhold til Inger Olsdtr. Sigerset Røbekk, f. 10 apr 1824 i Sigerset, Bolsøy, Møre og Romsdal, (datter av Ole Eriksen Staurset Sigerset Røbekk og Anne Ingebrigtsdtr. Dalset (Røbekk)). Gudmund døde i Bergen ?.
I. Heinrich (Henrik) Johan Friele von Mürer, f. 1845 i Bergen, Hordaland. Han giftet seg med Conradine Sophie Mürer.
A. Bertrand Christian Julius Mürer, f. 1870 i Bergen, Hordaland, Norge.
B. Petra Conradine Henriksdtr. Mürer, f. 1871 i Bergen. Hordaland, Norge.
C. Dagmar Henriette Henriksdtr. Mürer, f. 1873 i Bergen, Hordaland, Norge.
D. Charles Emil Henriksen Mürer, f. 1876 i Bergen, Hordaland, Norge.
E. Frederik Johan Henriksen Mürer, f. 1878 i Bergen, Hordaland, Norge.
II. Leonhardt Frederik Saabye Mürer, f. ca 1 jun 1847 i Bergen, Hordaland. Han giftet seg med (1) NN, gift i København, Danmark, d. bef 1883 i København, Danmark. Han giftet seg med (2) Julianne Marie Andersen Koch, gift 1883 i København, Danmark, f. 1855 i Gudhjem, Bornholm, Danmark. Leonhardt døde i København, Danmark.
A. Anna Magdalene Leonhardtsdtr. Mürer, f. 1876 i København, Danmark.
B. Agnes Frederikke Leonhardtsdtr. Mürer, f. 1884 i København, Danmark, d. 1884.
C. Emma Margrethe Leonhardtsdtr. Mürer, f. 1886 i København, Danmark, d. 1959 i Australia.
D. Ellen Marie Leonhardtsdtr. Mürer, f. 1886 i København, Danmark, d. 1886.
E. Andrea Caroline L. Mürer, f. 1888 i København, Danmark, d. 1888.
F. Gerda Emilie L. Mürer, f. 1890 i København, Danmark.
G. Ingeborg Wilhelmine L. Mürer, f. 1893 i København, Danmark, d. 1953.
H. Johan Bjarne L. Mürer, f. 1895 i København, Danmark, d. 1968 i København, Danmark.
III. Fredrik Gudmundsen Mürer Hermannsdalen, f. 22 okt 1851 i Bolsøy el. Molde, Møre og Romsdal. Han giftet seg med Jørgine Lorentine Krom Thomasdatter, gift 7 okt 1877 i Moskenes kirke, Moskenes, Nordland, f. 13 feb 1859 i Hermannsdalen, Moskenes, Nordland, (datter av Thomas Johannesen). Fredrik døde i Hermannsdalen, Moskenesøy, Nordland.
A. Alfred Fredriksen Myhre, f. 1877 i Hermannsdalen, Flakstad, Nordland.
B. Elise Fredriksdtr. Myhre, f. 1879 i Hermannsdalen, Moskenesøy, Flakstad, Nordland.
C. Lothe Fredriksdtr. Myhre, f. 1882 i Hermannsdalen, Flakstad, Nordland.
D. Thomas Fredriksen Myhre, f. 1887 i Hermannsdalen, Flakstad, Nordland.
E. Fredrike Fredriksdtr. Myhre, f. 1887 i Hermannsdalen, Flakstad, Nordland.
F. Klara Fredriksdtr. Myhre, f. 1889 i Hermannsdalen, Flakstad, Nordland.
G. Gustav Fredriksen Myhre, f. 1896 i Hermannsdalen, Flakstad, Nordland.
H. Thora Fredriksdtr. Myhre, f. 1896 i Hermannsdalen, Flakstad, Nordland.

[gj05249]

I will proceed to find you a nice postcard - although I don't think we can quite match the beauty of Molde around here but at least the weather is warm, beautiful and sunny and it is the middle of winter.
I have a few more bits and pieces which you may like. A photo of Leonhardt, his wife, Julianne, and two children, Emma Margrethe and Gerda Emilie. The original must have been in a bad condition as it is a very bad copy but better than nothing. I would also like to send you "Emma's story" a short story written by my father's cousin, Glenda Gillies, in which Emma talks about her early life here in Queensland. Her story is very sad. I will have a look for other things you may be interested in.

My information pretty much matches everything you have. Leonhardt's first wife was Thora Sophie Jørgentine Merkel (born about 1848). I have found no record of the supposed first child, but have Anna Magdalene's baptism record. She was born 27 Mar 1875 and baptised 17 May 1875 Frederiksberg, København.

For the half-brother, Frederich, I have a son on my records, Alfred Sedenius Murer, baptished 23 June Moskenes, Nordland (IGI). I guess this must be the same person as your Alfred. I have had this Frederich Gudmandsen Murer on my records for ages but have never been able to work out how he fitted in. One more mystery solved!

One more question!
On the 1865 Christiania census there is a Gudmand Fredrik Myhre, agent, 39 born Skien, married to a Betsy Myhre, age 34, born in Asker. They have several children. He is not the right age for our Gudmand. Do you know where he fits in?

After your urging Per, I was bold enough to explore this website a bit more and managed to make a couple more queries on the Oslo and Trondheim forums.

Thank you, Michelle

[gj05249]

Per - I have discovered a forum on emigrants to Australia/New Zealand on this website. Do you think it would be useful to offer my help to people looking for family in Australia. Our online records are not as good as yours but most states have birth, death and marriages records online. There are many other websites offering various information. I also go to my local library each week which has a genealogical section.

I have also remembered a couple of photos of a large gathering of the Murer clan in Denmark which I will forward to you. I am assuming you are of the Murer clan? - possibly via Palline Sofie Murer?

Michelle

[dn10177]

Message from P.G.

Dear Michelle.

I need a break as I am working on an article on Nazi emigration to Argentina. Our international jazzfestival (Moldejazz) begins on Monday. I shall be back in line on Wednesday. Please have patience, and don't get disappointed.

Kind regards
Per Gjendem

[gj05249]

OK - I will send post to you this coming week.

[Vidar Sigurd Øverlie]

Per - I have discovered a forum on emigrants to Australia/New Zealand on this website. Do you think it would be useful to offer my help to people looking for family in Australia. Our online records are not as good as yours but most states have birth, death and marriages records online. There are many other websites offering various information. I also go to my local library each week which has a genealogical section.

Hi Michelle, you and others are welcome to join in at the Australia/NZ forum


Regards

[dn19523]

Dette er bare helt fantastisk

Tippoldefar Fredrik hadde altså mange halvsøsken. .....!
Lotte var min oldemor, og hun ble gift på Værøy i 1910 med Alfred Bugge Johansen ( f. 1891). De fikk fire døtre: Edna, Anna, Mary og Olga. Olga omkom ved Prinsesse Ragnhilds forlis i 1943. Lotte og Alfred mistet også en sønn, Myhre Johan Ditlev Johansen i 1916. Han ble bare ett år gammel, og lungebetennelse står oppført (i klokkerboken) som dødsårsak.

Jeg ser det er på sin plass å rette en stor takk til alle som har bidratt med ledetråder, både små og store, i oppnøstingen av slekten. Det gjelder både i slektforumet og i Distreff. En helt uvurderlig hjelp!

[gj05249]

Hi Hege

I could email photos of Leonhardt Frederik Saabye Murer and family and Murer clan of København to you if you give me your email address.

Hi Per

Your post is on the way.

Michelle Larsen

[dn10177]

A reply from P.G. at http://home.no.net/pgjendem.

Thanks so much, Michele, for the exquisite file and fabulous photos. I must give them a close study this evening. As soon as I got your address, I dashed for the postoffice to send the cd-rom as promised, and some postcards additionally. Promise not to forget us. It is so great to receive information on your ancestoris of Scandinavia. So long!

[gj05249]

Hi Per

I have received your post. Thank you very much. I really enjoyed watching the DVD of Molde. It gave an excellent coverage of your district. What a beautiful place! I was always in love with the fjords of Norway when I was a child and never knew I had connections with the place until discovering my great grandmother's father was born there!
I will be passing on the DVD to my father today and then on to my brother.
It was interesting to note how people's lives are much the same as here, only you have snow and mountains and we have surf and rainforest, although most of the countryside is more Eucalyptus forest, and all of it is fast disappearing because of development. Our corner of Queensland is the fastest growing region in Australia and I have seen the beautiful wild place of my childhood fast becoming an urban nightmare. It is a problem when you live in a beautiful place. I hope you can keep your Molde safe from this type of development.
Thanks again
Michelle

[gj06074]

kære Per Gjendem

har læst alt om min norske familie - kender du bogen skrevet af Ba Mürer ca. 1970???, Ba var på Bornholm i recheach efter den bornholmske gren af familien og besøgte mig og min mand
min far hed Leonhardt Emil Mürer
farmor Ingeborg Mürer
oldemor Juliane Mürer
min oldemor var født på Bornholm i Gudhjem født Koch, og var forresten søster til min mands farfar - men det er en anden historie.

jeg har kontakt med flere fra Australien og de har besøgt os på Bornholm.

Skal med hurtigruten i september måned.
venlig hilseninger-lise koch

[Bjørn Olav Haugom]

It has been a while since updates from down under, but I have found that Inger Oldatter Røbekk married Peder Gerhard Iversen on Nov 16th 1856 in Domkirken, Bergen.

http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/We ... =2392#ovre


They had 4 children in the 1865-census in Bergen.
- Petro Theodor Iversen, 10
- Olaf Severin Iversen, 7
- Gunhilda Martine Iverssen, 5
- Marius Nicolai Iversen, 2

http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/we ... 12928#ovre

Bjorn Olav