Thorvald August Halvorsen

[gj18954]

Hei!
Jeg trenger litt hjelp for å finne en slekting som - tilsynelatende - emigrerte til Amerika i 1903.
Han heter Thorvald August Halvorsen og kommer fra gården Sandstad i Grue, Solør, Hedmark. Han ble født 13. mars 1874 i Grue (link) til foreldrene Halvor Kristiansen og Thea Tostensdatter. Han ble konfirmert 1888 i Grue kirke (link), og der er det notert "24.02 1903 attest for udvandring (ikke opgivet hvorhen)".
Jeg kan ikke finne ham i folketellingen 1900 (!!), men han er riktig nok ført i emigrantregisteret i Oslo (link). Han reiste med S/S Montebello fra Kristiania 30. mars 1903, med destinasjon Worchester, Massachusetts, USA.
Problemet er at jeg ikke kan finne ham i det hele tatt i Amerika, til tross for å ha saumfart internett etter passasjerlister og folketellinger.
Nå er ikke jeg så god på akkurat det med å finne fram til kilder i USA - det virker utrolig rotete og overveldende på nettet - så jeg håper på at det er noe jeg har oversett, og som kanskje noen andre kan grave fram!

Tusen takk om noen tar seg tiden til å hjelpe meg,
Med vennlig hilsen
Thea Kveiland Hals

[Arne Einar Berg]

Er det denne. I så fall døde han i Norge.

Ancestry:
Thorvald A Halvorsen in the Web: Norway Burial Index, DIS-Norge, 1700-2010
Name: Thorvald A Halvorsen
Death Date: 1 Aug 1957
Burial Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Age: 83
Birth Date: 13 Mar 1874


Aftenposten 6. august 1957:
Kremasjoner og begravelser onsdag 7. august
Det gamle krematorium:
Annleggsarb. Thorvald August Halvorsen kl. 12:40

[gj06100]

Hei Thea,
I know you have this in your Norwegian records...but here is the birth and baptism from familysearch
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCQ8-SHC

Sorry Thea...I missed that you gave the farm name Sandstad above.
(I omitted some of my earlier comments)

mvh
Patty

[Tom Kaasen]

His family changed their surname during the early 1900's.
Here is the "home"-farm in the 1900-census. No change yet.
https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/f ... 7060004258

Here is the "home"-farm in the 1910-census. His parents and siblings has taken the surname Sandstad, after the farmname.
https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/f ... 6407006597

[gj06100]

Hei...
That was interesting Tom.
At the time of Thorvald's confirmation in 1888, the place of birth/farm ..is called Sandstad.
So the family finally starts using that name in 1910.
Maybe Sandstad is what Thorvald is using while still in Norway??...and later on...

mvh
Patty

[Tom Kaasen]

I had a second look in the parish records, over people leaving the parish, and found Thorvald August Halvorsen here (nr. 4/1903):
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060418060591 LINK IS "FIXED"


There is a remark out in the right hand column saying something like: "Confirmed 1888, but not present for the last three years".."also see Indfl. 05/03"

And on that page: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060418060587 LINK IS "FIXED"
Bottom of left page, states that Thorvald August Halvorsen has filed an application for being "transferred" to Grue parish from Asker parish.
The dates are interesting: The vicar has made this note June 22, 1903, whereas the application was dated June 19 1903.

The emigrantprotocol had Thorvald outbound on March 30 1903. It is interesting that he moves back to the home farm, less than 3 months after his supposed emigration. Then he disappears again, before the 1910 census.

[Tom Kaasen]

I feel confident that Arne Einar has found the correct Thorvald August Halvorsen as buried in Oslo. I would not think that there were 2 men with that name, both born om March 13 1874.

I have searched for Torvald/Thorvald Sandstad/Sanstad without success, both in the 1900 and 1910-censuses.

I found one record with Thorvald August Halvorsen though. He was fadder in Ullensaker 1898:
https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/g ... 0001080935
At this time, late October 1898, he still lived at Sandstad.

[gj18954]

Thank you so much for all your help, everyone!

As I understand it, this is what we know about Thorvald:

13. mar 1874 born in Grue
30. sept 1888 confirmed in Grue
01. jan 1891 lived at Sandstad according to the census (link)
30. oct 1898 godfather to a roadworker's son in Ullensaker. He lived at Sandstad, but worked as a roadworker. Perhaps the father of the christened child was a work colleague? Then Thorvald may have worked in Ullensaker as well, even though he is registered as living at Sandstad. Perhaps as a season worker?
??. ??? 1900 reportedly having moved from Grue (utflyttere Grue 1903), though this is not registered in any protocols. Possibly missing from 1900 census.
24. feb 1903 reportedly received certificate for moving to America (utflyttere Grue 1903, confirmation entry)
20. mar 1903 registered as emigrant to Worchester, Massachusetts from Oslo. Should have boarded the ship S/S Montebello. Unmarried labourer.
19. jun 1903 moved back to Grue from Asker. Did something happen to prevent Thorvald from emigrating to America?
01. des 1910 possibly missing from 1910 census.
01. aug 1957 died in Oslo
07. aug 1957 cremated at Det gamle krematorium. Construction worker

For the years in between 1903 and Thorvalds death I have nothing. When did he move to Oslo? Did he marry and have a family? I will check the address books to see if they can shed some light on his life.

Again, thank you so much for your help!

[Tom Kaasen]

I checked the addressbooks yesterday evening, but didn't have time to post my findings....

I find a Thv. Halvorsen, veiarbeider (roadworker) in the the books from 1927 until 1955, living in Vogts. gt. 34 oppgang 2 (entrance 2). He seems to be living alone. At least one of the years states he is working for "kommune"
I checked the following issuses:

1960 not present
1955 present
1950 present
1939 present
1929 present
1927 present
1916 not present

If Arne Einar reads this, maybe he could check Aftenposten for Thorvald's Dødsannonse. These are not searchable in old issuses of the newspaper, but they will, most often, be printed 2-3 days after the death, if printed at all.

[Arne Einar Berg]

I did check "Aftenposten" morning and evening editions for the period 2nd. to 11th. Aug. 1957 without finding anything more.

I can make another try later today in case I missed something.

Arne Einar.

[Tom Kaasen]

Some times, there are no announcements. And some oyhrt times, there are announcements a week or two after the funeral, stating the death and that funeral services has been arranged.

I don't think deaths are announced in the evening editions.

[Arne Einar Berg]

At that time you could sometimes find death announcements in the evening edition too.

Maybe someone have access to "Arbeiderbladet" for that period?

Arne Einar

[Astrid Mollan]

Prøv denne.
https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/viewforum.php?f=2414

[gj18954]

Får bare opp "forumet du har valgt finnes ikke"

[Tom Kaasen]

Hei

Det er fordi dette forumet er forbeholdt medlemmer i Slekt og Data. Astrid tenkte sikkert ikke på at du var gjest.