Søskenparet Constanse Amalie og Wilhelm Bertram Louis Berg

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Hei jeg søker på nytt! hjelp til å finne to søsken av min oldefar som emigrerte til USA.

Søskenparet var født i Drammen (Dåpsdokumentasjon nedenfor)

Etter at hele familien emigrerte til Sverige først til Glava, Arvika komun, Värmland i sverige i 1889 hvor Fridtjof Emanuel Berg min oldefar blir døpt. Så flytter de rundt i Sundsvall/Østersund region hvor siste sikre observasjon var Folkräkningen 1900 der de er registrert på Haxängs ångsåg i Lockne, Brunflo, Bräcke komun, Jämtland. Før familien til sist : Utvandrad 12/7 1909 från Källskar, Söderhamn, Gävleborgs län (Hälsingland) till Trondheim, Sör-Tröndelag fylke, Norge. Källa: Husförhörslängd, s.166 Emibas emigrationsakt: Söderhamn X 1909 023 - 026

Søskenparet emigrerte hhv. i 1903 og 1906 så de var derfor notert på båten som svenske statsborgere.

Dåpen til Constanse Amalie i Bragernes kirke: nr 182.
Kildeinformasjon: Buskerud fylke, Bragernes, Ministerialbok nr. II 6A (1878-1885), Fødte og døpte 1883, side 217.

Permanent bildelenke:
www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051125020716.jpg

Constanse Amalie reiser til Amerika 10.juni 1903, med Cunard linje, båt Salmo og reisemålet er Boston.
Her er Emigrasjonen:
www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&gardpostnr=108506&personpostnr=&sidenr=23&filnamn=EMITROND&visdok=vis

Dåpen til Wilhelm Betram Louis i Bragernes kirke: nr43 øverst på siden.
Kildeinformasjon: Buskerud fylke, Bragernes, Ministerialbok nr. II 7 (1885-1893), Fødte og døpte 1887, side 59.
Permanent bildelenke:
www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060516010064.jpg

Wilhelm Bertram Louis reiser til Amerika den 11april 1906 med Cunard linjen og med båten Tasso med samme reisemål som sin søster Constanse Amalie tre år før nemlig Boston,
Her er hans emigrasjon:
www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&gardpostnr=124424&personpostnr=&sidenr=26&filnamn=EMITROND&visdok=vis

Håper det er noen av dere som kan hjelpe meg med å finne ut noe om dette søskenparet og deres etterkommere.

På forhånd takk!

mvh Åge Varmbo

[gj05515]

Hi Åge,

In 1917 Wilhelm was in Massena, Saint Lawrence county, New York.

Name: William Bertrand Anderson
Born: 27 February 1887 in Dramend, Norway
Works for the school district, not married

Hilsen fra Tyskland,

Brian

[dn19075]

Et familietre på ancestry (Krolikowski Family Tree
http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.asp ... 6875&ssrc= )

har

Name: William Bertrand Louis Anderson
Birth: 1887 - Norway

Dessverre er treet privat, så man har ikke direkte tilgang til det. Men man kan spørre treeieren.

[dn19075]

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: William B L Anderson
Home in 1930: Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts
View Map
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Anna Roberts 37
John Liberty 72
Dorothy Roberts 11
Alphonse Damas 30
George S Handy 43
William B L Anderson 43
John Klachigian 45
Ruth M Weaver 28

William er oppgitt å være enkemann. Gift da han var 27. Imm i 1906. Er maskinist.

[gj05515]

This probably him (name and date of birth match):

Name: William Anderson
SSN: 011-01-9631
Last Residence: Massachusetts
Born: 27 Feb 1887
Died: May 1964
State (Year) SSN issued: Massachusetts (Before 1951)

[dn19075]

This probably him (name and date of birth match):

Name: William Anderson
SSN: 011-01-9631
Last Residence: Massachusetts
Born: 27 Feb 1887
Died: May 1964
State (Year) SSN issued: Massachusetts (Before 1951)

And residence match with 1930 census.

[dn19075]

U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995

Name: William Bertrand Louis Anderson
Birth Date: 27 Feb 1887
Birth Location: Drasicicion, Norway
State: Massachusetts
Locality, Court: District of Masssachusetts, U.S. Circuit and District Courts

21, okt 1918

Ugift. Yrker er soldat/maskinist. Adresse er Camp Devens.

[dn19075]

Massachusetts: Middlesex County, Cambridge, Mt. Auburn Cemetery

Surname: William B. Anderson
Birth Date: ??, 1887
Death Date: ??, 1964
Miscellaneous: With Aleck Pearce

[dn19075]

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942

Name: William Bertrand Louis Anderson
Birth Date: 27 Feb 1887
Birth Place: Norway
Residence: Middlesex, Massachusetts
Race: White

En som alltid vil vite hans adresse er Dorenda Anderson.

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Hi Brian og hei Hanne !
Thanks for your assistance, This can be the right person
My relatives name is Wilhelm Bertram Louis Berg
but he could have changed it to Wilhelm Bertram Louis Anderson
His fathers name was Andreas and Andreasson could easely be changed to Anderson
Brgds Åge

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U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942

Name: William Bertrand Louis Anderson
Birth Date: 27 Feb 1887
Birth Place: Norway
Residence: Middlesex, Massachusetts
Race: White

En som alltid vil vite hans adresse er Dorenda Anderson.

Hei igjen Hanne !
Hvordan kommer jeg da i kontakt med Dorenda Anderson?
mvh Åge

[dn19075]

En som alltid vil vite hans adresse er Dorenda Anderson.

Jeg skrev bare av det som sto på kortet. Det er et felt på kortet med denne opplysningen.

Jeg vet ikke hvem Dorinda er.

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Et familietre på ancestry (Krolikowski Family Tree)
http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.asp ... 6875&ssrc= )

har

Name: William Bertrand Louis Anderson
Birth: 1887 - Norway

Dessverre er treet privat, så man har ikke direkte tilgang til det. Men man kan spørre treeieren.

Hey Hanne and Brian, following Hannes proposal I tried to contact owner of this family three and according to his answer below Wilhelm Bertram Louis Andreasson Berg have to be a different one than your sugestion William Bertrand Louis Anderson or "Uncle Bert"

Hello Brgds,
How is my grand"Uncle Bert" Anderson related to your family?
I can tell you that he immigrated to the United States in about 1906-07 and initially lived in Massachusetts & Rhode Island states before serving in the US Army. My records show he was a Sergeant in the Spanish American War and also served in WWI, after which he became a naturalized US citizen in 1918. He also lived in the Boston, Massachusetts area for some time afterwards, as did much of his immediate family, before they ultimately resettled in central New Jersey state (Perth Amboy-town).
Records show his birth on 27 Feb 1887 in Drasicicion, Norway(a 2nd record showed birth in Dramand, Norway; not sure if they're near one another). Death on 6 April 1955 with burial in New Jersey. I was told by my mother he was "Uncle Bert" the oldest of 10 Andersons and the only one we know that was not born in the U.S. The youngest of the children was my grandmother, Elsie Marie Anderson who passed in 1975. Records show his father was Lewis(Louis)Anderson and mother's name a bit unsure, but Inga Constance Johnson. Have seen Lewis' name also listed with Olaf as middle name and Constance with/without Inga and with Constance and Johnson spelled in more Norwegian versions. Both parents immigrated from Norway; Lewis b.1868 d.1955; Constance b.1875, unsure of her date of death. Uncle Bert's siblings in descending order of age:
Anna, Louise, George, John, William(not the same as WBL Anderson), Bernard, Lillian, Walter, Ruth and Elsie. In Norway, the Anderson men were sailors and Louis Olaf(my greatgrandfather) and some of his sons also found work in the US on the seas as captains, etc. I hope this year to find more about Wm.Bertand Louis Anderson by obtaining copies of his military service and natualization records from our government sources. I still have questions regarding exact spelling of his parents' names, birth date, place of birth in Norway and where/when he and into which port the family entered the US. We were told by family he had a distinguished military career.

Bought parents name and his siblings names are differnt from my relatives, so I have to
start ower again with "blank sheets" I think, but thanks anyway for your wellment try

Brgds Åge

[gj05515]

Hi Åge,

This is a little confusing, but I still think Hanne Line and I have found the right person. It looks to me that the Krolikowski tree has combined two different people as one. The letter you have says that William Bertrand Louis Andersen died in New Jersey 6 April 1955.

The William Bertrand Louis Andersen that Hanne Line and I found died in Massaschusetts in May 1964. I can not believe that there are two people with the same name, born on the same day,
both from Drammen, both coming to the US in 1906.

The World War One draft record shows that he was born in "Dramand". I think this must be Drammen. The letter says the birth place was "Drasicicion". This is surely not a city or farm in Norway, I think the handwriting said Drammen and the computer read it as Drasicicion.

I hope we can find more information to figure this out!

Brian

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I was looking again at the information in the Krolikowski tree....

We know that William Bertrand Louis Andersen was born 27 Feb 1887. Then tree shows the
parents as Louis Andersen, born 1868 and Inga Constance Johnsen, born 1875.

This means that Inga Constance was 12 years old when her first son was born. The tree also shows that William had a younger brother, also named William. I thin the younger William is the only William and that William Bertrand does not belong in the Krolikowski tree.

There is definately something wrong with the tree information.

Mvh,

Brian

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Hey Brian !

Thank you for standing up for yours and Hannes candidate

I agree the questioning about a mother there is only 12! years old and a father that is 19!
The fact that among 10 siblings should appear two children with the same name, William, is also strange (?)

I would like to find the birth and baptism to the other family here in Norway, I then need to know were the family lived before their emigration to the USA.

Brgds Aage

[gj05515]

Hi Åge,

I found the Andersen family from the Krolikowski tree in the 1930 ans 1920 census for Perth Amboy, Middlesex county, New Jersey.

In the 1930 census it says that Lewis Anderson emigrated to America in 1882. This would be five years before William Bertrand Louis was born in Drammen.

William Bertrand Louis Anderson is definately not the son of Lewis Andersen.

The census records show the children Willia, Bernard, Lillian, Waler, Ruth and Elsie, so I know this is the family from the tree. Inga Constance died between 1904 and 1920. I can't find them in 1910, the were in Massachusetts then.

Mvh,

Brian

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Hey again Brian !
I have now got a new answer from "the owner of the Krolikowski tree"
which could turn this into an even more interesting matter.
I told him that Wilhelm Bertram Louis where following his sister
Constanse Amalie, who where arriving Boston three years earlier in 1903.
One sentence in his answer is "My first impression is that Constance
(American spelling)COULD be my great grandmother".
If that is true it could be a link here to my female relative also....exiting !!
Brgds Aage

[gj05515]

I have been looking at the information and the sources for the Krolikowski tree. The information is very, very bad. There are terrible mistakes and much information has been aded just because the name is the same. For example.....

The owner says William Bertrand Louis Anderson died 6 April 1955 and was a sergeant in the Spanish America War. He has taken this information from a military record for William Anderson.

Here is the record:

Name: William Anderson
Service Info.: SGT US ARMY SPANISH AMERICAN WAR, WORLD WAR I
Birth Date: 24 Apr 1868
Death Date: 6 Apr 1955
Service Start Date: 23 Jan 1892
Interment Date: 8 Apr 1955
Cemetery: Beverly National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 916 Bridgeboro Road Bridgeboro Road Beverly, NJ 08010
Buried At: Section Q Site 227

This Wiliam Anderson was a sergeant in 1892 (William Bertrand Louis Anderson was five years old in 1892). The date of birth says 1868, not even close to 1887.

Brian

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Hey again Brian !
I am impresed about the work you do for me trying to clarify the fact regarding WBLA's history in Boston.
I did wake up to day with 9! new messages in my inbox on Ancestry.com, including a dialog between you and Lea.
I also see that Lea is satisfied with your research discovering facts that he/she had been looking for a long time.
I still hope that he find something about Constance Amalie as well, but of cause I appreciate all the help I can get.
Thank you very much to both of you
Brgds Aage

[gj05515]

Hi Aage,

I couldn't find Constance Amalie. What I do know for sure is that William Bertrand Louis Anderson is not listed correctly in Lea's tree.

In both 1900 and 1910, Louis and Inga Johnson are living in Boston. These are the parents of the 10 Anderson children in the Kowlikowski tree (from Lea). In 1920 Inga is gone and Louis Johnson is now called Louis Anderson. The children in the 1910 census and 1920 census show that Louis Johnson and Lewis Anderson are the same person. I don't know why Louis Johnson became Louis Anderson, this makes it very hard to find the ancestors in Norway.

I did not see Inga ever called Constance, so I wonder if Louis Johnson/Anderson maybe later married a woman named Constance. If this was "your" Constance, it would explain where "Uncle Bert" (William Bertrand) came from.

Brian

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Hi Brian !
There been a while since I posted something about Constance Amalie and Willhelm Bertram Louise.
That is simply because there have been no great progress in the information about them.
I am still in touch with and collecting info from our common source, Lea from the Krolikowski Family Tree.
And now her last attempt bring some hope for more info in near future
Quote:
"Hi,
I am still digging through many databases trying to get more about Louis Olaf Anderson and Inga Constance Johnson.
Ordered some vital records, hoping they match my great-grandparents, but they will take some time to be processed
by the State of Massachusetts. One is for a marriage license from Mass. for your/our Constance Amalia Berg -
I found a record in the State Vital Records index for her marriage in 1907; this occurred in the town of Cambridge, Mass. There is the slight difference in the spelling of Amalie, but based on date and location, think this will help you/us."

So now I am crossing my fingers that this will bring some news about what family she became a part of in Cambridge Massachusetts.

Aage

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Hey, here is finaly marriage details about Constanse Amalie

Quote from Lea:
This comes from the New England Historic and Genealogic Society
"American Ancestors" website (which I signed up for last night):

State of Massachusetts
2 February 1907
Marriage License Record No. 152
In the City of Cambridge

Constance Amalia Berg to Eric Philip Peterson
She is 21 years old; lives at 200 Elm Street, Cambridge.
It is her first marriage; she was born in Norway.
Her parents are listed as: Andreas Berg and Maria Christianson.
Occupation: Laundress.

Her new husband is 22 years old; lives at 44 Austin Street, Cambridge.
It is also his first marriage; he was born in Sweden.
His parents are listed as: Carl F. Peterson and Anna Broberg.
Occupation: Machinist.

Marriage performed by Minister Henning Jacobson,
21 Summer Street, Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Recorded on 4 March 1907.

And Lea says there are more info to come
Mvh Åge

[Harald Søren Storaker]

MIN FEIL - KORRIGERT - sjå neste innlegg
Eg her Wilhelm Bertram Louis Berg i min database. Han blei 1913 gift med Clara Tollackson, søskenbarn til mi bestemor. Han brukte navnet Bert Berg i USA: Bert Berg
Eg trur ikkje han brukte patronym, Andersen/Andreasen.

[gj14114]

Her har du nok bommet - Wilhelm Bertram Louis Berg var født 27.2.1887 Bragernes, mens den Bert Berg du refererer til og som var gift med Clara var f. 14.11.1887 i Molde. Han het egentlig Bård Bårdsen. Han utvandret i 1910 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000898410

Dåpen hans, # 3 - Møre og Romsdal fylke, Indre Fræna i Fræna, Ministerialbok nr. 564A01 (1880-1899), Fødte og døpte 1888, Side 31, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050413020645

FT 1900 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/pe ... 7402001953

Naturalisering
The U.S., Naturalization Records, 1840-1957
Name: Bert Berg
Gender: Male
Declaration Age: 32
Record Type: Declaration
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1887
Birth Place: Molde, Norway
Arrival Year: 1910
Residence Place: Washington
Declaration Date: 1 Mar 1919
Declaration Place: Washington, USA
Spouse: Clara Berg

WW 1 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:29JH-29J
The U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Bert Berg
Race: Caucasian (White)
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 14 Nov 1887
Birth Place: Norway
Street address: 625 So Grant
Residence Place: Spokane, Spokane, Washington, USA
Physical Build: Medium
Height: Medium
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Blue

Du har sikkert folketellinger, WW 2 osv. - om ikke så finner du dem hos FS.

[Harald Søren Storaker]

Takk Egil!
Ja, her har eg bomma. Eg leita etter Bert Berg, gift i USA 1913, og da stemte det så veldig bra med Wilhelm Bertram Berg som utvandra 1911 -
Nå skal eg dobbelsjekke før eg skriver meir!

Nå har eg ført han inn i databasen min som Bård Bårdsen Ukkelberg

Eg trur eg la merke til ein med Ukkelberg som etternavn sammen med Berg-folk i ein eller annan sammenheng.
Bert Berg er ikkje nå unaturlig ei amerikanisering av navnet. Bård er jo umulig med å, så Bert er nærliggande, og Ukkelberg er et Berg-navn.

[gj14114]

Ja, det er fort gjort å gå seg vill mht. amerikaniserte norske navn

Han døde i 1974
The Washington, Death Index, 1940-2014
Name: Bert Berg
Gender: Male
Residence Place: Kitsap, Washington, USA
Death Date: 10 Jun 1974
Death Place: Kitsap, Washington, USA
Certificate Number: 013454

The U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name: Bert Berg
SSN: 533-03-7138
Last Residence:
98310 Bremerton, Kitsap, Washington, USA
BORN: 14 Nov 1887
Died: Jun 1974
State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (Before 1951)

Lenke FAG - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187950954/bert-berg