Swedish Roots?

[mousepotato]

Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now my roots
take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search abroad! I also
don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in Sweden, to look
for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from Sweden...I've hit the
proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any ideas/tips for me for searching
Sweden? Thank you SO much for any/all help.
~M~

[Stein R]

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now my
roots take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search
abroad! I also don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in
Sweden, to look for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from
Sweden...I've hit the proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any
ideas/tips for me for searching Sweden? Thank you SO much for any/all
help. ~M~

Go to http://www.amazon.com, enter "Genealogy Sweden" as search terms.

One of the books listed is "Cradled in Sweden [a practical guide
to genealogical research in Swedish records]".

Search term "Genealogy Swedish" gives you another standard handbook
"Your Swedish Roots: a step by step handbook".

Either will do fine as an introduction.

Basically - to find the link across the sea, you try to find as much
information as possible in the US. Name, birth date (or birth year),
parish (or area) of origin, ship he arrived on, arrival date in the
US (or at the very least arrival year), whether he was travelling alone
or as part of a larger group and so on and so forth,

Part of that is examining immigration records to the US, naturalization
papers, censuses etc.

When you have enough data that there is a fair chance of distinguishing
your "Sven Olofsson" (or whatever) from a heap of other "Sven Olofssons"
departing Sweden for the US, you go to the Swedish genealogy web site
"Rötters anbytarforum" (http://genealogi.aland.net/discus/) and post
a request for someone to help you do a a lookup in the CD of Swedish
emigrant records.

But first - gather as much information as possible in the US. There is
one thing to ask someone to search for Sven Olofsson aged about 31 who
departed from Sweden in the spring of 1883, arriving in the US on June
3rd 1883, and another thing to ask "Anyone know anything about a man
named Sven Olofsson"

Good luck.

Smile,
Stein

[mousepotato]

"Stein R" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now my
roots take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search
abroad! I also don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in
Sweden, to look for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from
Sweden...I've hit the proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any
ideas/tips for me for searching Sweden? Thank you SO much for any/all
help. ~M~

Go to http://www.amazon.com, enter "Genealogy Sweden" as search terms.

One of the books listed is "Cradled in Sweden [a practical guide
to genealogical research in Swedish records]".

Search term "Genealogy Swedish" gives you another standard handbook
"Your Swedish Roots: a step by step handbook".

Either will do fine as an introduction.

Basically - to find the link across the sea, you try to find as much
information as possible in the US. Name, birth date (or birth year),
parish (or area) of origin, ship he arrived on, arrival date in the
US (or at the very least arrival year), whether he was travelling alone
or as part of a larger group and so on and so forth,

Part of that is examining immigration records to the US, naturalization
papers, censuses etc.

When you have enough data that there is a fair chance of distinguishing
your "Sven Olofsson" (or whatever) from a heap of other "Sven Olofssons"
departing Sweden for the US, you go to the Swedish genealogy web site
"Rötters anbytarforum" (http://genealogi.aland.net/discus/) and post
a request for someone to help you do a a lookup in the CD of Swedish
emigrant records.

But first - gather as much information as possible in the US. There is
one thing to ask someone to search for Sven Olofsson aged about 31 who
departed from Sweden in the spring of 1883, arriving in the US on June
3rd 1883, and another thing to ask "Anyone know anything about a man
named Sven Olofsson"

Good luck.

Smile,
Stein

Dear Stein, Thank U so kindly!! ; )
~M~

[Hugh Watkins]

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now my
roots
take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search abroad! I also
don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in Sweden, to look
for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from Sweden...I've hit the
proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any ideas/tips for me for searching
Sweden? Thank you SO much for any/all help.

don't spend money until you have exhausted on line resources

rootsweb boards and lists

site:se genealogi

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=si ... gle+Search

Länkar till genealogi ... Links to geneaslogy

http://www.ra.se/ra/l_genealogi.html

00-
their NARA or NAtional archives

Nättidningen RÖTTER Sveriges Släktforskarförbund

Svenska Emigrantinstitutet i Växjö
Emigrantregistret i Karlstad

http://www.familysearch.org/

R E S E A R C H H E L P S
Sorted by Place

Sweden
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/ ... eTab=Place



SwedenHow Do I Begin? [Description] [PDF]
SwedenSweden Church Record Christenings [Description] [PDF]
SwedenSweden Historical Background [Description] [PDF]
SwedenSweden Map [Description]
SwedenSweden Research Outline [Description] [PDF] 34716
SwedenSweden, Church Record Christening 1860-Present [Description] [PDF]
SwedenSweden, Church Record Clerical Survey 1500-1859 [Description] [PDF]
SwedenSweden, Church Record Clerical Survey 1860-Present [Description]
[PDF]
SwedenSweden, Church Record Marriage 1500-1859 [Description] [PDF]
SwedenSweden, Church Record Marriage 1860-Present [Description] [PDF]
SwedenSweden, Civil Registration Birth 1860-Present [Description] [PDF]
SwedenSweden, Civil Registration Marriage 1860-Present [Description] [PDF]
SwedenSwedish Genealogical Word List [Description]


enjoy

Hugh W

[dn16031]

You can also post your questions here. Many people read this forum, also in Scandinavia.

Good luck!



Sincerely
Torill

[Robert Lightburn]

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now my
roots
take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search abroad! I also
don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in Sweden, to look
for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from Sweden...I've hit the
proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any ideas/tips for me for searching
Sweden? Thank you SO much for any/all help.
~M~
If all else fails, as it did for me, you might want to consider contacting

the Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center. They are part of, or at
least affiliated with, Augustana College in Rock Island, Illinois. Their
website is http://www.augustana.edu/swenson/. It did cost me $30.00 but they were
able to find two of my Swedish great grandparents, i.e. where and when they
were born as well as when they emigrated to the U.S. Once you have found a
person's parish and learned a few Swedish words I think you'll find that the
Swedes kept very good records of interest to the genealogist. I'll second
the recommendation to get yourself a copy of 'Cradled in Sweden'. I've
found it to be an excellent book for those doing Swedish genealogical
research. Good luck.

Bob

[Richard R. Johnson]

On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 02:25:20 GMT, "mousepotato" <[email protected]>
wrote:

Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now my roots
take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search abroad! I also
don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in Sweden, to look
for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from Sweden...I've hit the
proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any ideas/tips for me for searching
Sweden? Thank you SO much for any/all help.
~M~

If you will provide us with your ancestor's name, date of birth, year of

arrival and final destination in the USA, I will be happy to look for
him on the Swedish 'Emigranten' CD.

Best regards,
RRJ

[Gjest]

Hey, there, Mousepotato!
Your story sounds a lot like mine. However, I not only didn't know
where my grandfather was from, but also didn't know his real name! Now
I have my tree on his side going back to the 1500's and have found
cousins in Sweden. It all took less than a year.

I can help you, I think. Send me an e-mail: [email protected]
OR, you can catch me on Skype (text IM, please): bsanderson_martin
OR, Google Talk/IM: [email protected]


Cheers,
Bob


mousepotato wrote:

Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now my roots
take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search abroad! I also
don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in Sweden, to look
for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from Sweden...I've hit the
proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any ideas/tips for me for searching
Sweden? Thank you SO much for any/all help.
~M~

[Robert Heiling]

Robert Lightburn wrote:

If all else fails, as it did for me, you might want to consider contacting
the Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center. They are part of, or at
least affiliated with, Augustana College in Rock Island, Illinois. Their
website is http://www.augustana.edu/swenson/. It did cost me $30.00 but they were
able to find two of my Swedish great grandparents, i.e. where and when they
were born as well as when they emigrated to the U.S.

Hi Bob

Could you tell us a little more about that please? What methods did they
use in your case? What sort of info had you given them to start with and
how did they get from that to locating the parish?

Bob

[mousepotato]

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now my
roots
take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search abroad! I also
don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in Sweden, to look
for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from Sweden...I've hit the
proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any ideas/tips for me for searching
Sweden? Thank you SO much for any/all help.
~M~
Oh, my GOSH!! Thanks 2 U all SOOOO much!

U r all so kind & willing 2 help...thank u.
Here is what I know:
Axel R. Hjort - b. 1869 (Sweden) d.1933 (FL. USA)
abt. 1894-1895 he married
Selma M(?) Munson(sp?) - b. 1872 (Sweden) d. 1945 (FL. USA)
came to Massachusettes, USA late 1800's.
Children:
Nanie M. Hjort b. abt. 1896 (MA. USA)
Ruth E. Hjort b.1898 (MA. USA)
Harold R. Hjort b.1905 (MA. USA)
Please let me know if u need any other info I may b able 2 give.
~M~

[Stein R]

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now
my roots
take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search abroad! I
also don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in Sweden, to
look for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from
Sweden...I've hit the proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any
ideas/tips for me for searching Sweden? Thank you SO much for
any/all help. ~M~
Oh, my GOSH!! Thanks 2 U all SOOOO much!
U r all so kind & willing 2 help...thank u.
Here is what I know:
Axel R. Hjort - b. 1869 (Sweden) d.1933 (FL. USA)
abt. 1894-1895 he married
Selma M(?) Munson(sp?) - b. 1872 (Sweden) d. 1945 (FL. USA)
came to Massachusettes, USA late 1800's.
Children:
Nanie M. Hjort b. abt. 1896 (MA. USA)
Ruth E. Hjort b.1898 (MA. USA)
Harold R. Hjort b.1905 (MA. USA)
Please let me know if u need any other info I may b able 2 give.

Starting with easily available American sources;

1900 US Federal Census for the state of Massachusetts, county of
Norfolk, Town of Brookline, Census Enumeration District (ED) 1024,
page 10, taken on the 6th day of June 1900:

Living on 8 Roberts Street:

Hjort, Axel, head of household, white male, born May 1869, 31 years of
age, married for 5 years (ie since 1895), born in Sweden of Swedish
parents, arrived in the US in 1893, has lived in the US 7 years by 1900,
naturalized US Citizen, employed as a painter.

Hjort, Selma, wife, white female, born sept 1872, age 27, married for
five years, has given birth to five children by 1900, of which four is
still alive by 1900, born in Sweden of Swedish parents, arrived in the
US in 1893, has lived in the US in 1893, lived in the US for 7 years.

Hjort, Annie, daughter, white female, born aug 1895, age 4, born MA, to
parents born in Sweden.

Hjort, Ellen, daughter, white female, born Dec 1897, age 2, born MA, to
parents born in Sweden.

Hjort, "not christened", daughter, white female, born May 1900, age
0/12th of a year, born MA, to parents born in Sweden.


So now you know that he arrived in the US from Sweden in 1893, and that
sometime between 1893 and 1900 he took out his naturalization papers.

Umm died in 1933 in Florida. That was prior to the social security
death index records.

Immigration - no immediate match. Incidentally - I would not be
surprised if he is listed phonetically as "Gort","Hjart", "Hjert" or
some such thing instead of "Hjort" or "Hiorth" or however he spelled the
name in the old country.

Also, I would not be surprised to learn that he originally was named
Carl Axel Hjort instead of Axel Hjort. Simplifying first names was
pretty common.

Living in Massachusetts. Immigration records for the port of Boston,
MA, from 1891 to 1943. Males immigrating in 1893, born Sweden.

Estimated (from given age) birth year 1869: 25 possible hits.
Estimated birth year 1870: 54 possible hits.

No obvious matches.

Going back to the censuses:

1910 US Federal Census for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts:
Essex County, city of Saugus, ED 481, page 28B. Taken on 7 May
1910. Living on 771 Broadway:

Hjort, Axel R, Head of household, male, white, 40 years old by May
1910, married for the first time, married for 15 years, born in Sweden,
immigrated to the US in 1892 (aha!), naturalized US citizen, Painter in
the House business, *not* out of work as of April 15th 1910, has been
out of work for a total of 13 weeks in 1909,

Hjort, Selma M, wife, female, white, age 37, married for the first
time, married for 15 years, has given birth to 5 children, 3 of which is
still alive by 1910, born in Sweden, immigrated to the US in 1892

Hjort. Nanie M, Daughter, white, female, age 14, born MA to parents
born in Sweden, can read and write, in school.

Hjort, Ruth E, Daughter, white, female, age 12, born MA to parents born
in Sweden, can read and write, in school

Hjort, Harold R, Son, white, male, age 5 (ie born about 1905), born MA
to parents born in Sweden, not in school

<something>-son, Hjalmar, brother-in-law, white. male, age 39, married
for the first time, length of marriage illegible, born in Sweden to
Swedish parents, arrived in the US in 1909, alien citizen, employed as a
Carpenter, not out of work as of 15 april 1910, was out of work for 10
weeks in 1909.

Anderson, Axel D, boarder, male white, 20 years old, single, born in
Sweden to Swedish parents, arrived in US in 1909, alien citizen,
employed as a mason in the brick industry, not out of work as of 15
april 1910, but was out of work for 20 weeks in 1909.


I don't see them under MA for the 1920 and 1930 census. You know he
died in Florida in 1933 ie at age about 64. So he possibly had retired
to Florida by 1930. As for 1920 - who knows ?

But I believe this illustrates my original point - check US sources
first. You know now he arrived in the US in 1892 or 1893, that he was
born in May 1869, ie that he was about age 23 when he left Sweden, that
he was single when he left Sweden (he didn't get married for the first
time until 1895, in Massachusetts), that there exists naturalization
papers in Massachusetts that were taken out between 1893 and 1900.

You also know that Axel and Selma had five kids, not three, but two of
them died in infancy. You also know that he worked as a house painter,
that his family in 1910 lived with Axels brother in law, who came over
from Sweden in 1909 (another path that can be explored) and so on and so
forth.

Lesson: do check the US sources first, before trying to leap the ocean.

Smile,
Stein

[Le Bateman]

I am interested in determing if the surname OATES/OATS is of Scandinavian
origin. Perhaps either Swedish, Danish, or Norwegian. It may or may not have
been spelled UTZ. My mother's family spells theirs with an E, but there are
branches of the family that spell it OATS instead of OATES. It may or may
not be of Norse origin. The name Spelled with a E is possibily Anglo-Saxon
and was spelled Oedes or Eodes. Which refered to a sword point. A Maud
FITZOTS was the daughter of Thomas she married John BOUTETERT an
Illegitimate son of Edward I. Thank you
Jacob L. Bateman III or Le
Montgomery, Alabama

[Michael VanBaaren]

Have you decided the Axel Robert Hjort, born 15 May 1869 in Konungsund,
Östergötland is not your ancestor? I would say, from the evidence provided
on the Rootsweb message board, that this is a really good chance of being
your guy.

I have done a little further digging and found the following from the
clerical surveys:

Axel Johansson Hjort b 8 July 1839 Konungsund, Östergötland
Johanna Lovisa Björn b 16 June 1838 Kila, Södermanland
Children:
Johanna Maria b 23 Jan 1860 Konungsund
Hilda Charlotta b 11 Nov 1863
Sofia Ulrika b 16 Dec 1866
Axel Robert b 12 May 1869
Elin Mathilda b 14 Jan 1874

Axel Johansson Hjort was the son of Johan Eric Hjort & Anna Maja Jonsdr.
Johanna Lovisa Björn was the dau. of Anders Fr. Björn & Brita M. Holm

If you think this is the right person, I have more information on Axel
Johansson Hjort & Johanna Lovisa Björn.

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now my
roots
take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search abroad! I also
don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in Sweden, to look
for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from Sweden...I've hit
the
proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any ideas/tips for me for searching
Sweden? Thank you SO much for any/all help.
~M~
Oh, my GOSH!! Thanks 2 U all SOOOO much!
U r all so kind & willing 2 help...thank u.
Here is what I know:
Axel R. Hjort - b. 1869 (Sweden) d.1933 (FL. USA)
abt. 1894-1895 he married
Selma M(?) Munson(sp?) - b. 1872 (Sweden) d. 1945 (FL. USA)
came to Massachusettes, USA late 1800's.
Children:
Nanie M. Hjort b. abt. 1896 (MA. USA)
Ruth E. Hjort b.1898 (MA. USA)
Harold R. Hjort b.1905 (MA. USA)
Please let me know if u need any other info I may b able 2 give.
~M~

[Robert Lightburn]

"Robert Heiling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Robert Lightburn wrote:

If all else fails, as it did for me, you might want to consider
contacting
the Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center. They are part of, or at
least affiliated with, Augustana College in Rock Island, Illinois. Their
website is http://www.augustana.edu/swenson/. It did cost me $30.00 but they
were
able to find two of my Swedish great grandparents, i.e. where and when
they
were born as well as when they emigrated to the U.S.

Hi Bob

Could you tell us a little more about that please? What methods did they
use in your case? What sort of info had you given them to start with and
how did they get from that to locating the parish?

Bob
Bob,

Basically, I just filled out the form that I downloaded from their website
with everything that I knew about my great grandparents. The information
that I had included a record of their marriage, their death certificates,
census and city directory data and a fairly good idea of the year that each
of them immigrated to the U.S. I sent the information to them along with a
check for $30.00 and after about three months I received their report. The
report was based largely on what they found in the New York Arrival index
1850-1891; Swedish emigrant database Emibas; and Swedish Passenger index
database Emihamm 1869-1930. I intend to follow the same procedure for my
other two Swedish great grandparents although I less optimistic as I have
far less information on them.

Bob

[Margit R Bakke]

I have often told people to collect death certificates from the state
their people died in, also obituaries and burial permits. They all give
lots of information. I agree on collecting information before jumping
the pond and I also agree for those across the pond to collect all
their information before asking someone to help them find their "lost"
ancestor or living relatives here in America.
Margit in Minnesota


On Sep 28, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Stein R wrote:

Lesson: do check the US sources first, before trying to leap the
ocean.

Smile,
Stein

[Robert Heiling]

Robert Lightburn wrote:

"Robert Heiling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Robert Lightburn wrote:

If all else fails, as it did for me, you might want to consider
contacting
the Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center. They are part of, or at
least affiliated with, Augustana College in Rock Island, Illinois. Their
website is http://www.augustana.edu/swenson/. It did cost me $30.00 but they
were
able to find two of my Swedish great grandparents, i.e. where and when
they
were born as well as when they emigrated to the U.S.

Hi Bob

Could you tell us a little more about that please? What methods did they
use in your case? What sort of info had you given them to start with and
how did they get from that to locating the parish?

Bob
Bob,

Basically, I just filled out the form that I downloaded from their website
with everything that I knew about my great grandparents. The information
that I had included a record of their marriage, their death certificates,
census and city directory data and a fairly good idea of the year that each
of them immigrated to the U.S. I sent the information to them along with a
check for $30.00 and after about three months I received their report. The
report was based largely on what they found in the New York Arrival index
1850-1891; Swedish emigrant database Emibas; and Swedish Passenger index
database Emihamm 1869-1930. I intend to follow the same procedure for my
other two Swedish great grandparents although I less optimistic as I have
far less information on them.

Thanks for the feedback. Apparently they must have found more in those
particular databases than has been available for my ancestor. All I have
is that he came from somewhere in Sverige.

Bob

[Stein R]

"Michael VanBaaren" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now
my roots
take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search abroad! I
also don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in Sweden, to
look for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from
Sweden...I've hit the
proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any ideas/tips for me for
searching Sweden? Thank you SO much for any/all help.
~M~
Oh, my GOSH!! Thanks 2 U all SOOOO much!
U r all so kind & willing 2 help...thank u.
Here is what I know:
Axel R. Hjort - b. 1869 (Sweden) d.1933 (FL. USA)
abt. 1894-1895 he married
Selma M(?) Munson(sp?) - b. 1872 (Sweden) d. 1945 (FL. USA)
came to Massachusettes, USA late 1800's.
Children:
Nanie M. Hjort b. abt. 1896 (MA. USA)
Ruth E. Hjort b.1898 (MA. USA)
Harold R. Hjort b.1905 (MA. USA)
Please let me know if u need any other info I may b able 2 give.
~M~

Have you decided the Axel Robert Hjort, born 15 May 1869 in
Konungsund, Östergötland is not your ancestor? I would say, from the
evidence provided on the Rootsweb message board, that this is a really
good chance of being your guy.

I have done a little further digging and found the following from the
clerical surveys:

Axel Johansson Hjort b 8 July 1839 Konungsund, Östergötland
Johanna Lovisa Björn b 16 June 1838 Kila, Södermanland
Children:
Johanna Maria b 23 Jan 1860 Konungsund
Hilda Charlotta b 11 Nov 1863
Sofia Ulrika b 16 Dec 1866
Axel Robert b 12 May 1869
Elin Mathilda b 14 Jan 1874

Axel Johansson Hjort was the son of Johan Eric Hjort & Anna Maja
Jonsdr. Johanna Lovisa Björn was the dau. of Anders Fr. Björn & Brita
M. Holm

If you think this is the right person, I have more information on Axel
Johansson Hjort & Johanna Lovisa Björn.

Certainly a possible. Birth month and birth year is right, name is
right.

What is the chain of records linking from birth on 12 May 1869 to
emigration from Sweden in 1892 or 1893, which again matches the
Axel Hjort which lives in Massachusetts in 1900 (1900 US Federal
Census, State of Massachusetts, county of Norfolk, Town of Brookline,
Census Enumeration District (ED) 1024, page 10) and 1910 (1910 US
Federal Census, MA, Essex County, Saugus, ED 481, page 28B).

1900: Living on 8 Roberts Street:
Hjort, Axel, head of household, white male, born May 1869, 31 years of
age, married for 5 years (ie since 1895), born in Sweden of Swedish
parents, arrived in the US in 1893, has lived in the US 7 years by 1900,
naturalized US Citizen, employed as a painter.

1910 Living on 771 Broadway:
Hjort, Axel R, Head of household, male, white, 40 years old by May
1910, married for the first time, married for 15 years, born in Sweden,
immigrated to the US in 1892 , naturalized US citizen, Painter in
the House business, *not* out of work as of April 15th 1910, has been
out of work for a total of 13 weeks in 1909,

If you can establish that Axel Robert Hjort born in Konugsund emigrated
from Sweden in 1892 or 1993, you definitely have a probable match.

Grin,
Stein

[Stein R]

[email protected] (Margit) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

On Sep 28, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Stein R wrote:

Lesson: do check the US sources first, before trying to leap the
ocean.

Smile,
Stein

I have often told people to collect death certificates from the state
their people died in, also obituaries and burial permits. They all
give lots of information. I agree on collecting information before
jumping the pond and I also agree for those across the pond to collect
all their information before asking someone to help them find their
"lost" ancestor or living relatives here in America.
Margit in Minnesota

Know what you mean. I've been looking at maps of Chicago (and goog-
ling) to match old adresses from faded letters back to Norway to Cook
County census enumeration districts and to try to guess what cemetaries
might be most likely for burials.

Seems like relatives on both my mom's side and my dad's side settled
in Chicago after leaving Norway.

Sadly, there are far fewer tracks left by women leaving Norway than
of men. Women often did not take out naturalization papers, and they
usually changed *both* their first names (after emigrating to America)
and their family name (upon getting married). Makes it a little harder
to track down descendants

Btw - what part of Minnesota do you hail from ? I just *love* doing
research in the History Center in Saint Paul!

Grin,
Stein, Norwegian, but married to a Minnesota girl

[Margit R Bakke]

Hei Stein!
They have a great IL-CHICAGO-NORWEGIANS mail list online with lots and
lots of helpful people. These are a couple of resources for that area:

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/depar ... bases.html
http://infoweb.newsbank.com/iw-search/we/HistArchive?
p_product=CTHA&p_action=keyword&p_theme=ctha&p_nbid=L54D56TQMTA4MzU0NTMx
Ni44MjkxOTM6MTo4OnJhLTEzNDk4&p_clear_search=&s_search_type=keyword&s_cat
egory=none&d_refprod=CTHA[/color

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If you want me to check any names for you, just let me know.
I live on a farm near Flom, Minnesota:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... /flom.html

Lately I have had much luck finding living relatives for people from
Norway in America.

Margit

On Sep 29, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Stein R wrote:

[email protected] (Margit) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

On Sep 28, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Stein R wrote:

Lesson: do check the US sources first, before trying to leap the
ocean.

Smile,
Stein

I have often told people to collect death certificates from the state
their people died in, also obituaries and burial permits. They all
give lots of information. I agree on collecting information before
jumping the pond and I also agree for those across the pond to collect
all their information before asking someone to help them find their
"lost" ancestor or living relatives here in America.
Margit in Minnesota

Know what you mean. I've been looking at maps of Chicago (and goog-
ling) to match old adresses from faded letters back to Norway to Cook
County census enumeration districts and to try to guess what cemetaries
might be most likely for burials.

Seems like relatives on both my mom's side and my dad's side settled
in Chicago after leaving Norway.

Sadly, there are far fewer tracks left by women leaving Norway than
of men. Women often did not take out naturalization papers, and they
usually changed *both* their first names (after emigrating to America)
and their family name (upon getting married). Makes it a little harder
to track down descendants

Btw - what part of Minnesota do you hail from ? I just *love* doing
research in the History Center in Saint Paul!

Grin,
Stein, Norwegian, but married to a Minnesota girl

[Stein R]

[email protected] (Margit) wrote
in news:[email protected]:

Hei Stein!
They have a great IL-CHICAGO-NORWEGIANS mail list online with
lots and lots of helpful people. These are a couple of resources
for that area:

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/depar ... bases.html
http://infoweb.newsbank.com/iw-search/we/HistArchive?
p_product=CTHA&p_action=keyword&p_theme=ctha&p_nbid=L54D56TQMTA4MzU0NT
Mx
Ni44MjkxOTM6MTo4OnJhLTEzNDk4
&p_clear_search=&s_search_type=keyword&s_cat
egory=none&d_refprod=CTHA[/color

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Thank you - that was useful information, indeed. Have made a note of
these addresses, but will need to organize better what I am looking for
before posting a request.

If you want me to check any names for you, just let me know.

I am extremely grateful for you kind offer, but maybe I should try the
IL-CHICAGO-NORWEGIANS mailing list first before troubling you ?

Some of the information I look for probably need access to local
(apparently not online ?) resources in archives in Cook county, IL.

I live on a farm near Flom, Minnesota:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... /flom.html

Looked at your page. Red River Valley, eh ? It sure *is* a small world
- one of my closest friends since childhood here in Norway was born in
the Red River valley.

Maybe 150 miles or so north of Flom, it looks like from Mapquest - small
town called Hallock, up in Pembina county, almost on the border with
Canada. His parents were students in North Dakota in the mid-1960s
before coming back to Norway to work and live here.

My wife's dad came from Dalton, in Ottertail county, I'd say about 100
miles SSE of Flom. My wife and I got married in Dalton. We went fairly
close to where you live for part of our honeymoon - through Pelican
Rapids, Detroit Lakes and Park Rapids up to Lake Itasca. Wonderful area.

And both my wife (who is an American of mostly Norwegian ancestry born
in Minnesota), I (who is a Norwegian born right here in Norway) and my
brother-in-law (who is an American of mostly Swedish ancestry, amrried
to my wife's sister) have relatives not too far from Norman county.

Looking at the mapquest map of the area, I recognize quite a few places
where we have friends or relatives not too extremely far from Flom, MN:
- Fargo, MN,
- Crookston, MN
- Thief River Falls,MN,
- Rothsay, MN
- Wahpeton, ND,

Oh, funny - there is even a small town named Rollag in Clay County,
south of the line Fargo-Detroit Lakes. No doubt named by people from
Numedal valley here in Norway, where there is a municipality named
Rollag.

My dad was born in the Numedal valley here in Norway, in Flesberg
municipality, just south of Rollag, Norway.

Oh well - small world, indeed

Lately I have had much luck finding living relatives for people from
Norway in America.

Ummm - you don't happen to know anyone who would have access to
newspaper archives in Thief River Falls ?

I've got reasonable track on family history for my family and my
wife's family in Minnesota, but I have a few loose threads following
a side branch of my brother-in-laws family, where I'd love to get
copies of five or six obituaries from the Thief River Falls Times.

I do realize that Thief River Falls must be about two hours drive
away from Flom, so I am obviously not expecting you to spend half
a day to drive over there, get copies for me and get home again.

But if you know anyone living in Thief River Falls area who would
be willing to do the lookup/copying for me, I'd be very willing to
swap favors and do lookups in the national archives in Oslo, Norway.
Or some other reasonable return favor. And of course I'd be delighted
to reimburse all costs for copying and mailing the info to my wife's
parents in the Twin Cities.

Grin,
Stein

[Stein R]

Just a few followup questions on URLs:

[email protected] (Margit)
wrote in news:[email protected]:

Hei Stein!
They have a great IL-CHICAGO-NORWEGIANS mail list online with
lots and lots of helpful people. These are a couple of resources
for that area:

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/depar ... bases.html

This place works great. Have had a quick look around and bookmarked the
page.

http://infoweb.newsbank.com/iw-search/we/HistArchive?
p_product=CTHA&p_action=keyword&p_theme=ctha&p_nbid=L54D56TQMTA4MzU0NT
Mx
Ni44MjkxOTM6MTo4OnJhLTEzNDk4
&p_clear_search=&s_search_type=keyword&s_cat
egory=none&d_refprod=CTHA[/color

Umm - is this a commercial pay service or some such thing ? I get
asked for a user name and password when I try to access this site ?

==== IL-CHICAGO-NORWEGIANS Mailing List ====
To SUBSCRIBE from the list use one of these addresses
(mail mode)[email protected]
(digest mode)[email protected]

have subscribed to the digest mode mailing list.

Thanks for the tips!

Smile,
Stein

[Margit R Bakke]

Hei Stein,
You can check this page here:

http://www.trftimes.com/obits/
for obits prior to September 2004
and here for newer ones after September 2004
http://www.trftimes.com/index.php?
option=content&task=category&sectionid=7&id=16&Itemid=48

I believe they charge $5 per obit lookup here: (They have to print them
off from microfilm and then send in regular mail, they do not have a
scanner to scan jpgs to attach to email)

Obituary Request
http://pvillage.org/obitrequest.asp
Copies of obitiuaries from most Thief River Falls newspapers are
available from the Thief River Falls Public Library at 218-681-4325 or
by sending your request and your mailing address to [email protected].

Homepage for Pennington County:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnpennin/mnpennin.htm
This is a must see and searchable page:
http://pvillage.org/
I was in Thief River Falls this spring and looked up a few obit's for a
gentleman researching emigrants from his area of Norway.

You can also check my obituary indexes online as there are a few listed
from Thief River Falls that I have run across over the years:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maggiebakke/
normanobitbooks.html

Rollag, yes I have taken different visitors from Norway down there for
private tours of their Steam threshing village.

Otter Tail County has some great resources online also:
http://www.historymuseumeot.com/search.html
http://www.jsenterprises.com/ottertail/index.htm

Margit

On Sep 29, 2005, at 5:48 PM, Stein R wrote:

Ummm - you don't happen to know anyone who would have access to
newspaper archives in Thief River Falls ?

I've got reasonable track on family history for my family and my
wife's family in Minnesota, but I have a few loose threads following
a side branch of my brother-in-laws family, where I'd love to get
copies of five or six obituaries from the Thief River Falls Times.

I do realize that Thief River Falls must be about two hours drive
away from Flom, so I am obviously not expecting you to spend half
a day to drive over there, get copies for me and get home again.

But if you know anyone living in Thief River Falls area who would
be willing to do the lookup/copying for me, I'd be very willing to
swap favors and do lookups in the national archives in Oslo, Norway.
Or some other reasonable return favor. And of course I'd be delighted
to reimburse all costs for copying and mailing the info to my wife's
parents in the Twin Cities.

Grin,
Stein

[Margit R Bakke]

On Sep 29, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Stein R wrote:

This one you have to type in the whole long sequence shown, or copy
and paste. I never get asked for a password or username. I have it
bookmarked. I sent it to you offlist, the actual page.

Margit
http://infoweb.newsbank.com/iw-search/we/HistArchive
p_product=CTHA&p_action=keyword&p_theme=ctha&p_nbid=L54D56TQMTA4MzU0NTMx
Ni44MjkxOTM6MTo4OnJhLTEzNDk4&p_clear_search=&s_search_type=keyword&s_cat
egory=none&d_refprod=CTHA[/color

[Michael VanBaaren]

Some research was done by others in response to her query on the Rootsweb
message board, and this Axel Robert Hjort (b Konungsund) left the parish and
the last record of him in Sweden is in the 1880's "going to sea". I don't
believe anyone found him in the emigration records, though. If an American
death record or other record gives the exact birthdate of her Axel R. Hjort,
that could verify if these are the same person.

Michael

Have you decided the Axel Robert Hjort, born 15 May 1869 in
Konungsund, Östergötland is not your ancestor? I would say, from the
evidence provided on the Rootsweb message board, that this is a really
good chance of being your guy.

I have done a little further digging and found the following from the
clerical surveys:

Axel Johansson Hjort b 8 July 1839 Konungsund, Östergötland
Johanna Lovisa Björn b 16 June 1838 Kila, Södermanland
Children:
Johanna Maria b 23 Jan 1860 Konungsund
Hilda Charlotta b 11 Nov 1863
Sofia Ulrika b 16 Dec 1866
Axel Robert b 12 May 1869
Elin Mathilda b 14 Jan 1874

Axel Johansson Hjort was the son of Johan Eric Hjort & Anna Maja
Jonsdr. Johanna Lovisa Björn was the dau. of Anders Fr. Björn & Brita
M. Holm

If you think this is the right person, I have more information on Axel
Johansson Hjort & Johanna Lovisa Björn.

Certainly a possible. Birth month and birth year is right, name is
right.

What is the chain of records linking from birth on 12 May 1869 to
emigration from Sweden in 1892 or 1893, which again matches the
Axel Hjort which lives in Massachusetts in 1900 (1900 US Federal
Census, State of Massachusetts, county of Norfolk, Town of Brookline,
Census Enumeration District (ED) 1024, page 10) and 1910 (1910 US
Federal Census, MA, Essex County, Saugus, ED 481, page 28B).

1900: Living on 8 Roberts Street:
Hjort, Axel, head of household, white male, born May 1869, 31 years of
age, married for 5 years (ie since 1895), born in Sweden of Swedish
parents, arrived in the US in 1893, has lived in the US 7 years by 1900,
naturalized US Citizen, employed as a painter.

1910 Living on 771 Broadway:
Hjort, Axel R, Head of household, male, white, 40 years old by May
1910, married for the first time, married for 15 years, born in Sweden,
immigrated to the US in 1892 , naturalized US citizen, Painter in
the House business, *not* out of work as of April 15th 1910, has been
out of work for a total of 13 weeks in 1909,

If you can establish that Axel Robert Hjort born in Konugsund emigrated
from Sweden in 1892 or 1993, you definitely have a probable match.

Grin,
Stein

[mousepotato]

Hello Michael...
Axel Robert Hjort IS indeed my G-Grandfather!!
And *yes*, I would DEARLY appreciate ANY
other info you may have...I am SO grateful for all
of you here; thank you from the bottom of my
Swedish heart! ; )
Susan (~M~)

[mousepotato]

Hi again Michael!
I've lost the URL to that msgboard...can you please post it here 4 me?
Susan (~M~)

[mousepotato]

Hugh,
Thank u VERY much ; )
Susan (~M~)

[mousepotato]

Thanks Bob, I will ; )
Susan (~M~)

[mousepotato]

Hi Richard,
Did you see the info I posted below?
Just wondering ; )
Susan (~M~)

[Richard R. Johnson]

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:39:34 GMT, "mousepotato"
<[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Richard,
Did you see the info I posted below?
Just wondering ; )
Susan (~M~)

I saw it and searched for him on the Swedish Emigranten CD but did not

find him. I looked for him by last name and by all emigrants from
Konungsund in Östergötland (but he may have belonged to another parish
when he emigrated).

Anyways, it looks like you've been given enough information from other
people on this group to do your own research in the Swedish church
records. Go to http://www.genline.com and choose one of their
subscriptions. They currently have 51 records online for Konungsund, the
latest dated 1895.

Good luck,
RRJ

[Stein R]

"Michael VanBaaren" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:Pk3%[email protected]:

Have you decided the Axel Robert Hjort, born 15 May 1869 in
Konungsund, Östergötland is not your ancestor? I would say, from
the evidence provided on the Rootsweb message board, that this is a
really good chance of being your guy.

I have done a little further digging and found the following from
the clerical surveys:

Axel Johansson Hjort b 8 July 1839 Konungsund, Östergötland
Johanna Lovisa Björn b 16 June 1838 Kila, Södermanland
Children:
Johanna Maria b 23 Jan 1860 Konungsund
Hilda Charlotta b 11 Nov 1863
Sofia Ulrika b 16 Dec 1866
Axel Robert b 12 May 1869
Elin Mathilda b 14 Jan 1874

Axel Johansson Hjort was the son of Johan Eric Hjort & Anna Maja
Jonsdr. Johanna Lovisa Björn was the dau. of Anders Fr. Björn &
Brita M. Holm

If you think this is the right person, I have more information on
Axel Johansson Hjort & Johanna Lovisa Björn.

Certainly a possible. Birth month and birth year is right, name is
right.

What is the chain of records linking from birth on 12 May 1869 to
emigration from Sweden in 1892 or 1893, which again matches the
Axel Hjort which lives in Massachusetts in 1900 (1900 US Federal
Census, State of Massachusetts, county of Norfolk, Town of Brookline,
Census Enumeration District (ED) 1024, page 10) and 1910 (1910 US
Federal Census, MA, Essex County, Saugus, ED 481, page 28B).

1900: Living on 8 Roberts Street:
Hjort, Axel, head of household, white male, born May 1869, 31 years
of age, married for 5 years (ie since 1895), born in Sweden of
Swedish parents, arrived in the US in 1893, has lived in the US 7
years by 1900, naturalized US Citizen, employed as a painter.

1910 Living on 771 Broadway:
Hjort, Axel R, Head of household, male, white, 40 years old by May
1910, married for the first time, married for 15 years, born in
Sweden, immigrated to the US in 1892 , naturalized US citizen,
Painter in the House business, *not* out of work as of April 15th
1910, has been out of work for a total of 13 weeks in 1909,

If you can establish that Axel Robert Hjort born in Konugsund
emigrated from Sweden in 1892 or 1993, you definitely have a probable
match.

Some research was done by others in response to her query on the
Rootsweb message board, and this Axel Robert Hjort (b Konungsund) left
the parish and the last record of him in Sweden is in the 1880's
"going to sea". I don't believe anyone found him in the emigration
records, though. If an American death record or other record gives
the exact birthdate of her Axel R. Hjort, that could verify if these
are the same person.

Konungsund parish, Östergötland province, Vol C7 (Immigration,
Emigration, Births, Marriages, Deaths 1867-1879), page 59, births
1874, Genline ID 319.33.58100:

Birth 14 Jan 1874, Baptism 25 Jan 1874, female
Elin Mathilda
Father: Hjort, Axel profession: bruksarbetare (estate worker)
Mother: Bjørn, Johanna Lovisa
Home: illegible, but refers to page 183 in the household exam


Household exams covering 1874 is in book Östergötland, Konungsund vol
AI:16 (household exams 1871-1875), page 183 - Marmorbruket subfarm,
Kålmården farm.

First family listed on farm:
Stonemason Erik Hjort, born 10 Nov 1841 in Konungsund, married in 66
Wife Ulrika Sofia Björn, born 14 sept 1845 in Kila parish
Daughter Augusta Sofia, born 13 Jan (?) 1867 in Konungsund parish
Son Carl Fredrik, born 13 April 1972 in Konungsund parish

Second family group:
Stonemason Axel Johansson Hjort, born 8 July 1838, Komumgsund, married
Wife Johanna Lovisa Björn, born 16 Jun (?) 1838 in Kila parish
Daughter Johanna Maria, born 23 Jan 1860 in Konungsund
Daughter Hilda Charlotta, born 11 Nov 1863 in Konungsund
Daughter Sofia Ulrika, born 15 (?) Dec 1866 in Konungsund
Son Axel Robert, born 12 May 1869 in Konungsund (mmyy matches)
Daughter Elin Mathilda, born 14 Jan 1874

Two stonemason brothers Hjort who married two sisters Björn ?
"Deer and Bear", eh ? Funny combination of names

Anyways - so up to 1875 Axel Robert had not left "the marble farm"
(marmorbruket).


Next household exams is 1876 - 1880 (vol AI:17). We are still
looking for Marmorbruket, and it probably is somewhere around
page 170-180 in this book too, but we check the "village index"
at the start of the book.

Marmorbruket - starts on page 167. Okay - the family group is on
page 170. The mother and father died. Axel Johansson Hjort died on
16 July (?) 1880, 42 years old. The mother Johanna Lovisa Björn died
on 23 May 1880, also 42 years old.

The two oldest children went off to find work, probably. Daughter
Johanna Maria, born 1860, ie 20 years old, left for Stockholm on 24
October 1880. Daughter Hilda Charlotta, age 17, left for Linköping.

And an extra child had been born: Son Johan Bernhard, born 5 Apr
1876.

Oldest child left at farm was daughter Sofia Ulrika, born 1866, ie
barely 14 years old, then son Axel Robert, age 11, Daughter Elin
Mathilda, age 6, and son Johan Bernhard, age 4.


Checking the household exams 1881-1885 (vol AI:18). Village index says
Marmorbruket starts on page 163 in this volume.

Page 165. Family group "Hjorts barn" (The Children of Hjort).

Daughter Sofia Ulrika leaves for Stockholm on 29 Oct 1881.
Son Axel Robert leaves for (illegible, starts with K) on 14 Nov 1883,
(no 67 in the emigration (departure from parish) protocol for 1883)
Daughter Elin Mathilda and Johan Bernhard stays at farm.


Emigration/departure protocol Konungsund 1883 - no 67. Mmmmm - quite
a few other people also left on the same date, 14 november, and went
to the same place, even though I still cannot read the place name - 12
persons, both male and female. Kroken ? Gedline image: 319.31.41400

Check lists of parishes in Östergötland. There is a parish named
Krokek. Check immigration lists for 1883 - after 14 november.

There we go - Farm boy Axel Robert Hjort, no 39 on the immigration/
arrival records for Krokek parish in 1883. GID: 321.25.25300. Arrived
from "Ksund" (Konungsund), settled on farm (illegible, page 238 ? 338?
138 ? in the household exams for Krokek in 1883).

And so on and so forth. Don't have time to search any more. But get a
book on Swedish genealogy, get a genline subscription and dive in. The
dusty records tells quite a story when you know how to read them

Smile,
Stein

[mousepotato]

Dear RJ
Thank you for looking...
And yes, you have ALL been a treasure trove
of help and information : )
Susan

[mousepotato]

Hi guys,
Stein, you and Michael just totally amaze me with your knowledge and
resources!! How/where do ya'll find out all these things??
I haven't got a clue where to find immigration records...I can't read the
Swedish documents I found (on another site); I'm sorry to say I can't
afford subscribing to Ancestry.com.
So your help here on this newsgroup and one other messageboard
has been the "wrecking ball to my brick-wall"!! lol Thanks guys, and
everyone else here for all your input...
Susan

[Stein R]

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in news:I8f0f.43596
[email protected]:

Hi guys,
Stein, you and Michael just totally amaze me with your knowledge and
resources!! How/where do ya'll find out all these things?? I haven't
got a clue where to find immigration records...I can't read the
Swedish documents I found (on another site); I'm sorry to say I can't
afford subscribing to Ancestry.com.

Well, sorry if I sound rude or crass, no offense intended - but there
really is no such thing as a free lunch. If you want something bad
enough, you will have to pay for it somehow - either with your time or
with your money. Or both.

How I learned to research Swedish registers ? I didn't know anything
about the subject, so I spent time to learn about the subject. On the
webpage I recommended to you (http://genealogi.aland.net/discus/) and
in the book I recommended for you ("Your Swedish Roots - a step by step
Handbook", by Per Clemensson and Kjell Andersson).

Others have used "Cradled in Sweden", another book on the same subject.
"Your Swedish roots" can be bought from http://www.amazon.com for $15.

The money to buy one such book is a basic investment you *should* make,
if you want to research your family history. If you cannot afford to
spend $15 on a book, then try to get it through interlibrary loan. The
*time* to read and understand what these books say is a basic investment
you *must* make.

If you don't understand how to interpret the records, then you are left
with "I can't read Swedish" instead of being able to understand what
each column in the records contains, and being able to understand most
of the records even though you don't speak Swedish.

A subscription to the Swedish genline web service (images of church
records online) runs to about 300 Swedish kronor a month - call it about
$45 or so. Unlike ancestry - no automatic renewal.

But you of course can get the same images of Swedish church books on
microfilm from a mormon Family History Center in the US for nothing more
than whatever it takes you to go there.

US Census images - if you want the database of transcriptions so you
can search for a given name instead of looking at each page for the
relevant districts, you have to pay ancestry whatever they cost now -
I just subscribe to three services on a quarterly basis - can't
remember exactly what they take out of my credit card each quarter, but
probably something on the order of $100 a quarter.

Only thing to watch is their automatic renewal - you will have to
actively cancel a subscription (by phone from the US, by email from
abroad).

If you don't want to (or cannot afford to) pay that much, you can
probably get the census images on microfilm through your public library.

Immigration records - can be found from the National Archives in
Washington (http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immig ... index.html) if
you don't want to pay to get them from ancestry. Ship arrival lists can
be gotten from http://www.ellisislandrecords.org. And so on and so forth.

Will take longer and be less convenient, but that's the basic rule of
anything: you want something - you can get it fast, good or cheap - and
you can only pick two out of three options at any given time

I don't intend to be rude - but you *will* have to make an investment
(at the very least in time, if you cannot afford much money), if you
want this information about your ancestors bad enough.

Or go without, of course - learning about your ancestors is a hobby,
not a necessity. And each of us will have to prioritize how much time
and money we can afford to spend on any given hobby

So your help here on this newsgroup and one other messageboard
has been the "wrecking ball to my brick-wall"!! lol Thanks guys, and
everyone else here for all your input...

You are welcome. Good luck in finding out more about your ancestors.
Sounds like the Hjorts were an interesting family

Oh well, time to go wake up my son - it is 3 am over here and he needed
to get up *real* early tonight.

Grin,
Stein

[kallio]

Hi Stein -

I was just reading your post, thanks for the information. The genline site
was great. I was wondering if you (or the rest of the list) knows of
anything similar for Norwegian genealogy. A Google search didn't pull up
anything close to the genline.com site.

Thanks for any input!

Cheers,
Kalli (gee, if I were only Swedish!)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein R" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: [GEN-NORDIC] Re: Swedish Roots?

"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in news:I8f0f.43596
[email protected]:

Hi guys,
Stein, you and Michael just totally amaze me with your knowledge and
resources!! How/where do ya'll find out all these things?? I haven't
got a clue where to find immigration records...I can't read the
Swedish documents I found (on another site); I'm sorry to say I can't
afford subscribing to Ancestry.com.

[Stein R]

[email protected] ("kallio") wrote in
news:0d8601c5c887$f09bce10$6501a8c0@KALLI:

Hi Stein -

I was just reading your post, thanks for the information. The genline
site was great. I was wondering if you (or the rest of the list)
knows of anything similar for Norwegian genealogy. A Google search
didn't pull up anything close to the genline.com site.

Thanks for any input!

Cheers,
Kalli (gee, if I were only Swedish!)

Although it is very hard for a Norwegian to admit it (seeing that
Norwegians and Swedes have been going through sibling rivalry for
centuries , the original Swedish records are just plain better
than the original Norwegian records.

Genealogically speaking, the killer thing about Swedish records
is the yearly list of who lived on each farm, and the *cross
references*, so you can follow people from year to year.

Norwegian genealogy is based on fewer samples and further apart,
plus no cross references. Records basically have births, marriages,
deaths, and a few censuses - some so far apart that a generation
went by in between.

Best place to look for various *transcribed* (not images of original
sources - transscriptions) Norwegian records is at The Digital Archive
(http://digitalarkivet.uib.no).

Click on "English" for a (mostly) English user interface.

They started out with the censuses, but various groups of volunteers
are transcribing local church records etc, so their collection is con-
stantly growing. Some areas are well covered, some not so well.

But Norwegian church records are inherently less trustworthy than
Swedish records. You cannot always know whether Ole Olson in the 1865
census is the same Ole Olson that was baptized in the same area in
1840, since you cannot follow him year by year.

Still - that's what's available, so that's what we have to deal with.

And original church book images can be found through the Family History
Centers of the Mormons (or the "Church of Latter Day Saints" or whatever
their official name is). http://www.familysearch.org for more info.

Also, many Norwegian communities have *secondary* sources that are a
great help for finding people - many areas have farm histories (bygde-
bøker), where a local committee has hired a historian (professional or
amateur) to go through all available source records for the area and
then produce this information farm by farm.

Good place to find more about Norwegian sources: Genealogy association
DIS Norge resource list (http://www.disnorge.no/genress/index.php).

Good luck in finding out more about Norwegian ancestors.

Smile,
Stein

[Dave Hinz]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:57:01 -0500, Stein R <[email protected]> wrote:

Although it is very hard for a Norwegian to admit it (seeing that
Norwegians and Swedes have been going through sibling rivalry for
centuries , the original Swedish records are just plain better
than the original Norwegian records.

They are? Seriously, where can I find the Swedish version of the online
Diplomatarium Norvegicum, going back to the 1200s with probate and real
estate records?

Genealogically speaking, the killer thing about Swedish records
is the yearly list of who lived on each farm, and the *cross
references*, so you can follow people from year to year.

Where can I find that please? I've got an elusive g'g'g'gfather to
find, have his name and birthdate (not here) and "Varmlands, Sweden".

Dave

[Stein R]

Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in news:3qfrqpFepa32U3
@individual.net:

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:57:01 -0500, Stein R <[email protected]
wrote:

Although it is very hard for a Norwegian to admit it (seeing that
Norwegians and Swedes have been going through sibling rivalry for
centuries , the original Swedish records are just plain better
than the original Norwegian records.

They are? Seriously, where can I find the Swedish version of
the online Diplomatarium Norvegicum, going back to the 1200s
with probate and real estate records?

Sorry, don't know how far back the Swedes *have* real estate records.
I would imagine to comparable times.

Earliest I've seen from Sweden myself was data I received from another
researcher that was based on local court records about the division of
an inheritance, dated 1649.

No idea if this stuff is online anywhere (yet).

Genealogically speaking, the killer thing about Swedish records
is the yearly list of who lived on each farm, and the *cross
references*, so you can follow people from year to year.

Where can I find that please? I've got an elusive g'g'g'gfather to
find, have his name and birthdate (not here) and "Varmlands, Sweden".

http://www.genline.se for original record images.
http://genealogi.aland.net/discus/ for Swedes who know how to search

Smile,
Stein

[Dave Hinz]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:37:29 -0500, Stein R <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in news:3qfrqpFepa32U3
@individual.net:

Where can I find that please? I've got an elusive g'g'g'gfather to
find, have his name and birthdate (not here) and "Varmlands, Sweden".

http://www.genline.se for original record images.
http://genealogi.aland.net/discus/ for Swedes who know how to search

Excellent, thank you. It's been about 5 years since I looked for him,
perhaps it's time to try again.

Dave Hinz

[Stein R]

Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in news:3qftb6Ferpt4U2
@individual.net:

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:37:29 -0500, Stein R <[email protected]> wrote:
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in news:3qfrqpFepa32U3
@individual.net:

Where can I find that please? I've got an elusive g'g'g'gfather to
find, have his name and birthdate (not here) and "Varmlands, Sweden".

http://www.genline.se for original record images.
http://genealogi.aland.net/discus/ for Swedes who know how to search

Excellent, thank you. It's been about 5 years since I looked for him,
perhaps it's time to try again.

Oh yes - big changes last couple of years. Believe genline will finish
digitizing the photos of the last church books in 2005.

Grin,
Stein

[Karina Holthoff]

The LDS Family Research Center has a lot of Swedish records. There are also
a lot of good sites on the web. Your problem is however that you need at
least a town or a County in Sweden. I have Olssen in my family but it is a
very common name.

My family comes from Malmoehus in Sweden.

Do you know your great grandfather's name and his father's name? Usually the
children took on the first name of their father and addes son or datter.
Thus Olsson means the son olf Olsen.

Do you have your great grandmother's name. If it is less common then I
would start with her research.

http://www.lds.org

Here you can find out where the nearest library is in your area , and also
you can start your search there as you can order films from them.

http://www.algonet.se/~hogman/swe_counties_info_eng.htm

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"mousepotato" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hi everyone,
I have been fairly successful on my search here in the USA, but now my
roots
take me to Sweden...I haven't got a CLUE on how to search abroad! I also
don't have a town (or Parish), as they refer to in Sweden, to look
for...just that my Great-great grandfather came from Sweden...I've hit the
proverbial "brick wall"; anyone have any ideas/tips for me for searching
Sweden? Thank you SO much for any/all help.
~M~

[Doug Wickstrom]

On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:28:29 -0500, in message
<[email protected]>
"Karina Holthoff" <[email protected]> caused electrons to
dance and photons to travel coherently in saying:

Do you know your great grandfather's name and his father's name? Usually the
children took on the first name of their father and addes son or datter.
Thus Olsson means the son olf Olsen.

If they were Norwegian.

In Swedish, the word for daughter is "dotter."

Olsson is a contraction of Olofs son. The female equivalent is
Olsdotter. The familiar of Olof is "Olle," so sometimes you'll
see Ollesson, or Ollesdotter.

--
Doug Wickstrom <[email protected]>

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contained, that you may take children from their parents and parents from
their children, and compel them to fight the battle in any war in which the
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