On Oct 9 2001, 8:21 am, PDelor...@aol.com wrote:
My No; 124416 Ralph Birds of Locko, Derbyshire, x c 1470 an Isabel CURZON,
said to be a daughter of John Curzon of Kedleston 1394-1456, 'White Head' and
Jane Bagot of Blithfield. Has anyone got documentation to prove that Isabel
was daughter of John Curzon? I'm finding it hard to rationalise the datesof
the parents and the reputed marriage of the daughter. I am also relying on a
late Victorian pedigree and realise that whilst this was a renaissance of
Genealogy , it was also a somewhat Romantic renascence!
Pg
I'm hoping that you're still on here Pg, as I have an issue with the
BIRD family a couple of generations earlier.
You refer to a Victorian pedigree. Is this the one that shows Ralph's
grandson John BIRD of Locko marrying Elizabeth, the daughter of
William COKE of Trusley? The pedigree I have in front of me claims
they married in 1553 (Covenant apparently dated 13/1/1553), John died
20/6/1558, and Elizabeth remarried to William GILBERT in 1569. John
and Elizabeth apparently had a son William who sold Locko to William
GILBERT his new stepfather in 1569 aged 16 or 17, and then bought a
moiety of Stanton Hall in 1583. His son & heir was apparently George
BIRD of Stanton Hall 1580-1630.
However I have various problems with this claim, and I'm hoping you've
already resolved these if you were working on his grandparents back in
2001.
Firstly, according to the National Register of Archives (ref MTM/1/4
in the holdings of Mrs R Coke-Steel of Trusley), an indenture for the
marriage settlement of John BIRDS of Locko and Elizabeth, daughter of
William COKE of Trusley was dated 10/1/1564, over 5 years after the
pedigree claims John died.
Secondly, there are a number of wills at Lichfield RO from the BIRD
family in Stanton Hall....
In 1578 William BIRD of Stanton Hall left his lands to his son
William. He also mentioned his sister Elizabeth HALLOWES, and she had
married in the parish of Youlgreave (which contained Stanton Hall) in
1564.
William BIRD of Stanton Hall, son of the above, married in 1573, and
his will dated 1593 bequeaths all his lands to his son George.
As stated in the pedigree, George was born in 1580, and died in 1630.
As you can see, the family were in Stanton earlier than claimed by the
pedigree; the marriage date of John and Elizabeth is disputed; and
John could not possibly have been the progenitor of the Stanton BIRDS
if they were marrying as early as 1564, when he didn't marry until
either 1553 or 1564.