Wadard or Rainald Wadard?

[wjc]

Some time ago, I added the family of Wadard, a Knight who took part in
the Conquest, to my 'tree'.

At the time, I had access to both of Keats- Rohan's excellent
"Domesday People" and "Domesday Descendants", and used information
shown in:

DP, pp. 350, 359
DD, pp. 368, 1140

According to my notes from the time, the relationship of the family
members was:

1. Wadard
1.1 Rainald Wadard, his son
1.1.1 Walchelin Radard, Rainald's son.
1.1.1.1 Denise, Walchelin's daughter. Married Hugh de Chesney
1.1.1.2 Helewise, Walchelin's daughter.

Now, going through articles in British History on Line, I encountered
the following:

In 1086 Odo of Bayeux and Miles Crispin shared the lordship of
SOMERTON. Odo held 9 hides, while Miles held two small estates of 1
hide each. (fn. 42) The latter had been held before the Conquest by
Brictric and Ketel, a Dane, but in 1086 Rainald Wadard or Waard was
the undertenant of all three estates. Wadard was closely associated
with Odo of Bayeux--he appears in the Bayeux tapestry--and was the
latter's tenant in several neighbouring Oxfordshire villages besides
holding lands of him in five other counties.

From: 'Parishes: Somerton', A History of the County of Oxford: Volume
6 (1959), pp. 290-301. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report ... ery=wadard.
Date accessed: 19 February 2008.

Question: Are Wadard and Rainald Wadard one and the same?

My notes do not answer this question. Nor do I find an answer in any
of the articles discussed by this group. Does anyone have access to
"Domesday People"' and "Domesday Descendants"' who can see if Keats-
rohan addresses this?

Thank you for your help.

Bill

[Renia]

wjc wrote:

Some time ago, I added the family of Wadard, a Knight who took part in
the Conquest, to my 'tree'.

At the time, I had access to both of Keats- Rohan's excellent
"Domesday People" and "Domesday Descendants", and used information
shown in:

DP, pp. 350, 359
DD, pp. 368, 1140

According to my notes from the time, the relationship of the family
members was:

1. Wadard
1.1 Rainald Wadard, his son
1.1.1 Walchelin Radard, Rainald's son.
1.1.1.1 Denise, Walchelin's daughter. Married Hugh de Chesney
1.1.1.2 Helewise, Walchelin's daughter.

Now, going through articles in British History on Line, I encountered
the following:

In 1086 Odo of Bayeux and Miles Crispin shared the lordship of
SOMERTON. Odo held 9 hides, while Miles held two small estates of 1
hide each. (fn. 42) The latter had been held before the Conquest by
Brictric and Ketel, a Dane, but in 1086 Rainald Wadard or Waard was
the undertenant of all three estates. Wadard was closely associated
with Odo of Bayeux--he appears in the Bayeux tapestry--and was the
latter's tenant in several neighbouring Oxfordshire villages besides
holding lands of him in five other counties.

From: 'Parishes: Somerton', A History of the County of Oxford: Volume
6 (1959), pp. 290-301. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report ... ery=wadard.
Date accessed: 19 February 2008.

Question: Are Wadard and Rainald Wadard one and the same?

My notes do not answer this question. Nor do I find an answer in any
of the articles discussed by this group. Does anyone have access to
"Domesday People"' and "Domesday Descendants"' who can see if Keats-
rohan addresses this?

Thank you for your help.

Keats-Rohan says Wadard was probably the father of another of Odo's
tenants, Rainald Wadard (q.v) who retained his holdings. He possibly
occurs inthe cartulary of Preaux where Wadard and two of his sons,
Martin and Simon, attest a grant of the tithes of Margeuf. Wadard's
Domesday holdings were granted to Manasser Arsic early in the reign of
Henry I".

[Gordon and Jane Kirkemo]

Bill,

I apologize if someone has already responded to your question about Rainald
and Wadard. Just in case, here is what can be found in DP (page 350) under
the heading of Rainald Wadard:

"Norman, Domesday tenant of Odo of Bayeux in Oxfordshire. He occurs both as
Rainald Wadard and as son of Wadard. Probably son of Odo's famous tenant
Wadard, who was represented on the Bayeux tapestry. Wadard lost his land
when Odo did, but Rainald's holdings were independent of his putative
father's and he appears to have survived to become the ancestor of the
Oxfordshire Wadard or Waard family. A confirmation by Richard II of
Normandy for Fecamp of August 1024 (Fauroux, 34) includes the grant made by
Lora, wife of Rainald called Wadard, viz her rights in Airan (Calvados,
cant. Bourguebus."

This seems to suggest that Wadard and Rainald are different people, possibly
father and son.

I hope this is helpful.

Gordon

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Subject: Wadard or Rainald Wadard?

Some time ago, I added the family of Wadard, a Knight who took part in
the Conquest, to my 'tree'.

At the time, I had access to both of Keats- Rohan's excellent
"Domesday People" and "Domesday Descendants", and used information
shown in:

DP, pp. 350, 359
DD, pp. 368, 1140

According to my notes from the time, the relationship of the family
members was:

1. Wadard
1.1 Rainald Wadard, his son
1.1.1 Walchelin Radard, Rainald's son.
1.1.1.1 Denise, Walchelin's daughter. Married Hugh de Chesney
1.1.1.2 Helewise, Walchelin's daughter.

Now, going through articles in British History on Line, I encountered
the following:

In 1086 Odo of Bayeux and Miles Crispin shared the lordship of
SOMERTON. Odo held 9 hides, while Miles held two small estates of 1
hide each. (fn. 42) The latter had been held before the Conquest by
Brictric and Ketel, a Dane, but in 1086 Rainald Wadard or Waard was
the undertenant of all three estates. Wadard was closely associated
with Odo of Bayeux--he appears in the Bayeux tapestry--and was the
latter's tenant in several neighbouring Oxfordshire villages besides
holding lands of him in five other counties.

From: 'Parishes: Somerton', A History of the County of Oxford: Volume
6 (1959), pp. 290-301. URL:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report ... ery=wadard.
Date accessed: 19 February 2008.

Question: Are Wadard and Rainald Wadard one and the same?

My notes do not answer this question. Nor do I find an answer in any
of the articles discussed by this group. Does anyone have access to
"Domesday People"' and "Domesday Descendants"' who can see if Keats-
rohan addresses this?

Thank you for your help.

Bill

[wjc]

Thank you, Renia and Gordon, for your prompt and useful replies. I
will update my tree with the information.

Regards,

Bill