Patronymics

[Linda Sutherland]

Hello,

I'd like to find out when Norway, Sweden and Denmark stopped using the
patronymic naming system. Was it a gradual change, or did governments at
some stage decree that surnames should be used instead?

--
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk

[Kurt]

"Linda Sutherland" <linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:313030303235363846F8325081@zetnet.co.uk...

Hello,

I'd like to find out when Norway, Sweden and Denmark stopped using
the
patronymic naming system. Was it a gradual change, or did
governments at
some stage decree that surnames should be used instead?

--
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk

In the latter decades of the 1900th century, the Swedish government
expressed their wish that every family should adopt a family surname.
The noble families started earlier (mid 1700th century) with family
surnames.
In my own research I have found that after 1890, most families had
abandoned the patronymic naming system, but it was a gradual change.
I do not belong to a noble family, but my great great grandfather
called himself Fredriksson and most of the decendants kept the name.
He was born 1790...

Kurt Fredriksson

[Hugh Watkins]

Kurt wrote:

"Linda Sutherland" <linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:313030303235363846F8325081@zetnet.co.uk...

Hello,

I'd like to find out when Norway, Sweden and Denmark stopped using

the

patronymic naming system. Was it a gradual change, or did

governments at

some stage decree that surnames should be used instead?

--
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk



In the latter decades of the 1900th century, the Swedish government
expressed their wish that every family should adopt a family surname.
The noble families started earlier (mid 1700th century) with family
surnames.
In my own research I have found that after 1890, most families had
abandoned the patronymic naming system, but it was a gradual change.
I do not belong to a noble family, but my great great grandfather
called himself Fredriksson and most of the decendants kept the name.
He was born 1790...

I made these web pages

Danish personal names and naming FAQ
http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/FAQ/names.html


1000 Danish surnames http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/FAQ/1000surnames.html

The top one thousand surnames in Denmark on January 1 2004
- with thanks to Dorthe Larsen at Danmarks Statistik http://www.dst.dk/


patronymics appear as middle names also
even in USA after surnames were adopted

I gretaly admire

"Those Norwegian names, tips for the "online" researcher

This article focuses on the Norwegian naming traditions, and what
problems or advantages they can bring to the online researcher. Did you
meet the brick wall while researching your Norwegian ancestors online?
This article might give some new clues. "

http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm

have a good read


Hugh W



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[Dave Hinz]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:55:28 +0100, Linda Sutherland <linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to find out when Norway, Sweden and Denmark stopped using the
patronymic naming system. Was it a gradual change, or did governments at
some stage decree that surnames should be used instead?

Generally, 1860-1890. Rural areas towards the end of that. I seem to
remember a good article describing the entire process but can't google
it up right now. Otto Joergensen may be the person who wrote it but,
like I say, I can't find the write-up. Anyone?

[Christina Wilson]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:55:28 +0100, Linda Sutherland <linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Hello,

I'd like to find out when Norway, Sweden and Denmark stopped using the
patronymic naming system. Was it a gradual change, or did governments at
some stage decree that surnames should be used instead?

Generally, 1860-1890. Rural areas towards the end of that. I seem to
remember a good article describing the entire process but can't google
it up right now. Otto Joergensen may be the person who wrote it but,
like I say, I can't find the write-up. Anyone?


Just to make life complicated, my farming ancestors from Tønder started

being indecisive about patronymics in the late 1700s. I have one family
where the wife is listed as Federsen on some of kids' christening
records and Carstensen on others. Her father was Feder Carstensen. My
understanding is that in Schleswig in general there was a move away from
patronymics in the 1700s.

Christina

[Lars Erik Bryld]

Scripsit Linda Sutherland:

I'd like to find out when Norway, Sweden and Denmark stopped using
the patronymic naming system.
Was it a gradual change, or did governments at some stage decree
that surnames should be used instead?

Yes and yes )

Hugh's FAQ sums it up nicely for the matter of Denmark proper, but in
the Duchies of Slesvig and Holsten patronyms were abolished in 1771,
and contrary to the matter in the rest of Denmark, local resistance
was considerably weaker here.

For most of Denmark, you'll have to assume at least the possibility of
an occasional patronymic surname up until about the year 1900.

I'm unaware of the legal status in Sweden, but in my own research I've
noticed people there patronymically named up until 1894.


--
Med venlig hilsen
Lars Erik Bryld

[Linda Sutherland]

Many thanks, everyone. You've given me lots of useful information and
leads to follow up.

--
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk

[Veronika Berglund]

Above all - be flexible
Names didn't seem to mean very much (at least not for Swedish common
folks). You can find one name in the birth record (Catharina Christina
for example, another in the household ledger (Cajsa Stina) and a third in
the weddig records (just Catharina.. or Cajsa Christina or Catharina
Stina or even Kerstin) etc. Last names were, for the most part,
the same (at least for girls). And of course the priests did occasionally
enter the wrong birth year or month or date or place of birth..

Veronika

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Linda Sutherland wrote:

Many thanks, everyone. You've given me lots of useful information and
leads to follow up.

--
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk

[Lars Erik Bryld]

Scripsit Christina Wilson:

My understanding is that in Schleswig in general there was a move
away from patronymics in the 1700s.

There was an edict in 1771 as described in my other post. Translated
it ran something like this:

Edict Regarding the Introduction of Family Names in the Duchy of
Schleswig.

Christian The Seventh. It had come to Our attention that in the
country of Our Duchy of Schleswig there is almost no usage of
permanent family names, but rather that the son is given as family
name the given name of his father, and that this change occurs at
each generation. Since this is the cause of uncertainties and
extensive disputes in matters of inheritance, and leads to
irregularities in the maintenance of debt and other contractual
instruments, We consider it to be useful and good to see to the
introduction of permanent family names. And since such intent is
reached easiest and with least problems at future baptisms, when
the child should be given by the pastor a permanent family name,
the initial choice being that of the parents, but thereafter it is
not to be changed any more, We hereby issue this Our decree, to be
observed forthwith by Our people.

Issued in the Supreme Court and Supreme Consistory at Gottorf on
November 8, 1771. Extended to the District of Tönning May 15, 1790.

The remaining part of Denmark (the kingdom proper) would have to wait
until 1828, and civil resistance here was much more stubborn...

--
Med venlig hilsen
Lars Erik Bryld

[Jan]

Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:55:28 +0100, Linda Sutherland
<linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk>;
<313030303235363846F8325081@zetnet.co.uk>; <soc.genealogy.nordic>:

Hello,

I'd like to find out when Norway, Sweden and Denmark stopped using the
patronymic naming system. Was it a gradual change, or did governments at
some stage decree that surnames should be used instead?

While registering births/christenings from a church book for the years
1878-1895 I see that mothers in the first years manly are listed with
patronyms (e.g. Nilsd./Nilsdatter) but also some with other types of
names, and particularly ship masters' wives use their husband's family
name, whether it's a real family name or the husband's patronym.
During the period, more and more mothers are listed with a -sen name,
which never can be seen as a patronym for women,- sometimes the same
-sen name as the husband, sometimes with another -sen name (probably
their father's last name).
Regulations around this came around 1920; up to then there were no
formal rules.
--
/Jan
<jan@jpharo.net>

[Kalle]

Kurt wrote:

"Linda Sutherland" <linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:313030303235363846F8325081@zetnet.co.uk...

Hello,

I'd like to find out when Norway, Sweden and Denmark stopped using

the

patronymic naming system. Was it a gradual change, or did

governments at

some stage decree that surnames should be used instead?

--
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk



In the latter decades of the 1900th century, the Swedish government
expressed their wish that every family should adopt a family surname.
The noble families started earlier (mid 1700th century) with family
surnames.
In my own research I have found that after 1890, most families had
abandoned the patronymic naming system, but it was a gradual change.
I do not belong to a noble family, but my great great grandfather
called himself Fredriksson and most of the decendants kept the name.
He was born 1790...

Kurt Fredriksson

När du skriver "1900th century" etc. så har du två nollor för mycket.
Det betyder ju det tusenniohundrade århundrade, dvs 18900-talet och det
är knappast vad du menar.

Hälsningar från Sibbo, Finland
Kalle Nyman

[Kurt]

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Kurt wrote:
"Linda Sutherland" <linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in
message
news:313030303235363846F8325081@zetnet.co.uk...

Hello,

I'd like to find out when Norway, Sweden and Denmark stopped using

the

patronymic naming system. Was it a gradual change, or did

governments at

some stage decree that surnames should be used instead?

--
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk



In the latter decades of the 1900th century, the Swedish
government
expressed their wish that every family should adopt a family
surname.
The noble families started earlier (mid 1700th century) with
family
surnames.
In my own research I have found that after 1890, most families had
abandoned the patronymic naming system, but it was a gradual
change.
I do not belong to a noble family, but my great great grandfather
called himself Fredriksson and most of the decendants kept the
name.
He was born 1790...

Kurt Fredriksson



När du skriver "1900th century" etc. så har du två nollor för
mycket.
Det betyder ju det tusenniohundrade århundrade, dvs 18900-talet och
det
är knappast vad du menar.

Hälsningar från Sibbo, Finland
Kalle Nyman

Du har så klart rätt. 18900-talet ligger lite för långt fram i tiden
för att vara aktuellt nu.

Mvh
Kurt F

[OneHalfIverson]

On Sep 26, 12:11 pm, Jan <addr...@nospam.no.invalid> wrote:

Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:55:28 +0100, Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherl...@zetnet.co.uk>;
313030303235363846F8325...@zetnet.co.uk>; <soc.genealogy.nordic>:

Hello,

I'd like to find out when Norway, Sweden and Denmark stopped using the
patronymic naming system. Was it a gradual change, or did governments at
some stage decree that surnames should be used instead?

While registering births/christenings from a church book for the years
1878-1895 I see that mothers in the first years manly are listed with
patronyms (e.g. Nilsd./Nilsdatter) but also some with other types of
names, and particularly ship masters' wives use their husband's family
name, whether it's a real family name or the husband's patronym.
During the period, more and more mothers are listed with a -sen name,
which never can be seen as a patronym for women,- sometimes the same
-sen name as the husband, sometimes with another -sen name (probably
their father's last name).
Regulations around this came around 1920; up to then there were no
formal rules.
--
/Jan
j...@jpharo.net

Here is an excellent discussion by John Føllesdal on the patronymic
naming system.
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Enorway/na12.html

Interestingly, Iceland still uses this system, today, from which they
derive much amusement at the confusion this causes the rest of us.

Dan

[Dave Hinz]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:32:47 -0700, OneHalfIverson <digammon@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Here is an excellent discussion by John Føllesdal on the patronymic
naming system.
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Enorway/na12.html

Ah! THAT is the article I was trying to find. Thanks for posting that.

[Linda Sutherland]

In message <1191072767.041535.141120@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
OneHalfIverson <digammon@bellsouth.net>wrote:

Here is an excellent discussion by John Føllesdal on the patronymic
naming system.
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Enorway/na12.html

Thanks, Dan.

--
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk

[Robert Broughton]

OneHalfIverson wrote:

Interestingly, Iceland still uses this system, today, from which they
derive much amusement at the confusion this causes the rest of us.

I've heard that phone books in Iceland are alphabetized by first names.

--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"There is no rational, moral or economic argument for the continuation
of the manufacture, sale or use of smoking tobacco."
- Robert Starkey, http://smokefreerevolution.org/, 03/18/2007

[sigvaldi]

On Sep 30, 4:50 pm, Robert Broughton <rbrone...@broug8hton.ca> wrote:

OneHalfIverson wrote:

Interestingly,Icelandstill uses this system, today, from which they
derive much amusement at the confusion this causes the rest of us.

I've heard that phone books inIcelandare alphabetized by first names.

--
Bob Broughtonhttp://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"There is no rational, moral or economic argument for the continuation
of the manufacture, sale or use of smoking tobacco."
- Robert Starkey,http://smokefreerevolution.org/, 03/18/2007

Well, the entire country is on a first name basis, the surname just
tells you the name of the father, it is not your name as such so
everybody is listed in the phone book by first names and everybody is
adressed by their first name (or by first name (+middle) and surname)
Immigrants often buy an extra line in the phone book listing their
surname first as listing by first name is the default and thus
included in the phone subscription.