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Family Tree Maker 2005

Legg inn av Cookie Cutter » 9. februar 2007 kl. 3.08

In "Pedigree View," I see all the individuals I expect to see, but when
I go to "Standard Pedigree Tree," I get only women on the chart. Can
someone help?

Cookie

Kerry Raymond

Re: Family Tree Maker 2005

Legg inn av Kerry Raymond » 9. februar 2007 kl. 10.48

"Cookie Cutter" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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In "Pedigree View," I see all the individuals I expect to see, but when I
go to "Standard Pedigree Tree," I get only women on the chart. Can
someone help?

I also have FTM 2005 and I see both men and women in both views.

In my experience of FTM, when I have had "missing parents", it usually
occurred because of some merger with another FTM or GEDCOM file. What
happens is not everyone who is in both files gets correctly matched up and
merged. So what can happen is that it matches up a woman (say Wilma) but
does not match up her husband Fred or child Peebles. So you can end up with
Wilma in two family groups, one married to Fred with child Peebes and
another spouseless relationship with child Peebles (or other strange
combinations). Of course when you display trees involving such confused
relationships, you see all sorts of strange things.

So look carefully at the people -- do they have unexpected multiple spouses
or do they have "Other Parents"? If so, you may need to Merge Specific
Individuals to remove the duplicate people or the duplicate relationships.

No guarantees this is your problem, but it's usually at the root of most of
my problems.

Kerry

Cookie Cutter

Re: Family Tree Maker 2005

Legg inn av Cookie Cutter » 9. februar 2007 kl. 16.12

I typed it in by hand -- but maybe I did do something that caused a
problem. There are only six couples in it at this point -- I will
re-create the Family Tree from scratch and see if the problem goes away.

Thanks,
Cookie

Kerry Raymond wrote:
"Cookie Cutter" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:45cbd79e$0$24695$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

In "Pedigree View," I see all the individuals I expect to see, but when I
go to "Standard Pedigree Tree," I get only women on the chart. Can
someone help?


I also have FTM 2005 and I see both men and women in both views.

In my experience of FTM, when I have had "missing parents", it usually
occurred because of some merger with another FTM or GEDCOM file. What
happens is not everyone who is in both files gets correctly matched up and
merged. So what can happen is that it matches up a woman (say Wilma) but
does not match up her husband Fred or child Peebles. So you can end up with
Wilma in two family groups, one married to Fred with child Peebes and
another spouseless relationship with child Peebles (or other strange
combinations). Of course when you display trees involving such confused
relationships, you see all sorts of strange things.

So look carefully at the people -- do they have unexpected multiple spouses
or do they have "Other Parents"? If so, you may need to Merge Specific
Individuals to remove the duplicate people or the duplicate relationships.

No guarantees this is your problem, but it's usually at the root of most of
my problems.

Kerry


Cookie Cutter

Re: Family Tree Maker 2005

Legg inn av Cookie Cutter » 9. februar 2007 kl. 16.36

I recreated the database and I do not have the problem now.

The first time I created the database, I entered the names in "Pedigree
View." The second time, I created the database, I entered the names in
"Family View." Strange. One would think it should work either way, but I
guess it doesn't.

Thanks for your help.

Cookie

Cookie Cutter wrote:
I typed it in by hand -- but maybe I did do something that caused a
problem. There are only six couples in it at this point -- I will
re-create the Family Tree from scratch and see if the problem goes away.

Thanks,
Cookie

Kerry Raymond wrote:

"Cookie Cutter" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:45cbd79e$0$24695$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

In "Pedigree View," I see all the individuals I expect to see, but
when I go to "Standard Pedigree Tree," I get only women on the
chart. Can someone help?



I also have FTM 2005 and I see both men and women in both views.

In my experience of FTM, when I have had "missing parents", it usually
occurred because of some merger with another FTM or GEDCOM file. What
happens is not everyone who is in both files gets correctly matched up
and merged. So what can happen is that it matches up a woman (say
Wilma) but does not match up her husband Fred or child Peebles. So you
can end up with Wilma in two family groups, one married to Fred with
child Peebes and another spouseless relationship with child Peebles
(or other strange combinations). Of course when you display trees
involving such confused relationships, you see all sorts of strange
things.

So look carefully at the people -- do they have unexpected multiple
spouses or do they have "Other Parents"? If so, you may need to Merge
Specific Individuals to remove the duplicate people or the duplicate
relationships.

No guarantees this is your problem, but it's usually at the root of
most of my problems.

Kerry


Kerry Raymond

Re: Family Tree Maker 2005

Legg inn av Kerry Raymond » 10. februar 2007 kl. 2.54

The first time I created the database, I entered the names in "Pedigree
View." The second time, I created the database, I entered the names in
"Family View." Strange. One would think it should work either way, but I
guess it doesn't.

I created a new FTM database and tried it for myself with a child and their
mother and father. Indeed, there does seem be a bug when you create them via
the pedigree view. Saving and reopening the FTM file doesn't fix the
problem, but exporting the GED and re-importing it does (and the GED looks
correct to me).

So the bug is in the internal representation of the family within FTM, but I
can't quite work out where as details of the father and mother and child
individually look fine (no duplicates, extra spouses, extra parents).

The kinship report is interesting. For the child, it shows the mother as the
mother and the father as the husband of the mother. Similarly for the
father, it shows the wife and the child as the child of the wife. So it
appears internally the father is being treated as a step-father but the
parent status for the child show both as being her natural parents.

But views like descendant chart/reports which shows dad and mum as being
married but not with a child (this occurs whether you do descendants of the
mother or the father).

Very weird and surprising nobody's mentioned this bug before. I guess most
of us must use the family view for our data entry.

Kerry

Hugh Watkins

Re: Family Tree Maker 2005

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 10. februar 2007 kl. 12.36

Kerry Raymond wrote:
The first time I created the database, I entered the names in "Pedigree
View." The second time, I created the database, I entered the names in
"Family View." Strange. One would think it should work either way, but I
guess it doesn't.


I created a new FTM database and tried it for myself with a child and their
mother and father. Indeed, there does seem be a bug when you create them via
the pedigree view. Saving and reopening the FTM file doesn't fix the
problem, but exporting the GED and re-importing it does (and the GED looks
correct to me).

So the bug is in the internal representation of the family within FTM, but I
can't quite work out where as details of the father and mother and child
individually look fine (no duplicates, extra spouses, extra parents).

The kinship report is interesting. For the child, it shows the mother as the
mother and the father as the husband of the mother. Similarly for the
father, it shows the wife and the child as the child of the wife. So it
appears internally the father is being treated as a step-father but the
parent status for the child show both as being her natural parents.

But views like descendant chart/reports which shows dad and mum as being
married but not with a child (this occurs whether you do descendants of the
mother or the father).

Very weird and surprising nobody's mentioned this bug before. I guess most
of us must use the family view for our data entry.

but that is legacy software has anyone tried it with FTM 16 ?

Hugh W


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Cookie Cutter

Re: Family Tree Maker 2005

Legg inn av Cookie Cutter » 10. februar 2007 kl. 16.33

A volunteer on a genealogy software message board at genealogy.com
posted this:

"From the Pedigree View, and you want to Add a spouse, while the
Individual you want to add the spouse to, is in the Far Left of the
Pedigree, you need to click on the Family View ICON to add the Spouse.

If the Individual you want to add a Spouse to is to the Right of the
Left most individual, you can just click on the +Add Mother or +Add Father."

I agree with you. I think this problem is a software bug, but at least
there is some "rhyme or reason" to it. I'm just going to stick to
Family View for all entries from now on.

Thanks,
Cookie


Kerry Raymond wrote:
The first time I created the database, I entered the names in "Pedigree
View." The second time, I created the database, I entered the names in
"Family View." Strange. One would think it should work either way, but I
guess it doesn't.


I created a new FTM database and tried it for myself with a child and their
mother and father. Indeed, there does seem be a bug when you create them via
the pedigree view. Saving and reopening the FTM file doesn't fix the
problem, but exporting the GED and re-importing it does (and the GED looks
correct to me).

So the bug is in the internal representation of the family within FTM, but I
can't quite work out where as details of the father and mother and child
individually look fine (no duplicates, extra spouses, extra parents).

The kinship report is interesting. For the child, it shows the mother as the
mother and the father as the husband of the mother. Similarly for the
father, it shows the wife and the child as the child of the wife. So it
appears internally the father is being treated as a step-father but the
parent status for the child show both as being her natural parents.

But views like descendant chart/reports which shows dad and mum as being
married but not with a child (this occurs whether you do descendants of the
mother or the father).

Very weird and surprising nobody's mentioned this bug before. I guess most
of us must use the family view for our data entry.

Kerry



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