Social Security number
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Social Security number
I wonder when people were required to get Social Security numbers. I have a
relative born in 1899. He got his first full time job with a newspaper in
Iowa in 1920. After 4 years he moved to Tennessee where he worked as an
advertising manager for a newspaper for 10 years. Then in 1935 he went to
work for a newspaper in Texas. His Social Security number was issued in
Texas-by then he would have been at least 36. Didn't people need SSNs before
1935 or were certain jobs exempt?
John
relative born in 1899. He got his first full time job with a newspaper in
Iowa in 1920. After 4 years he moved to Tennessee where he worked as an
advertising manager for a newspaper for 10 years. Then in 1935 he went to
work for a newspaper in Texas. His Social Security number was issued in
Texas-by then he would have been at least 36. Didn't people need SSNs before
1935 or were certain jobs exempt?
John
Re: Social Security number
jburns wrote:
Q1: When did Social Security start?
A: The Social Security Act was signed by FDR on 8/14/35. Taxes were
collected for the first time in January 1937 and the first one-time,
lump-sum payments were made that same month. Regular ongoing monthly
benefits started in January 1940.
Google can be your friend.
Allen
I wonder when people were required to get Social Security numbers. I
have a relative born in 1899. He got his first full time job with a
newspaper in Iowa in 1920. After 4 years he moved to Tennessee where he
worked as an advertising manager for a newspaper for 10 years. Then in
1935 he went to work for a newspaper in Texas. His Social Security
number was issued in Texas-by then he would have been at least 36.
Didn't people need SSNs before 1935 or were certain jobs exempt?
John
From the Social Security wwb page, frequently asked questions:
Q1: When did Social Security start?
A: The Social Security Act was signed by FDR on 8/14/35. Taxes were
collected for the first time in January 1937 and the first one-time,
lump-sum payments were made that same month. Regular ongoing monthly
benefits started in January 1940.
Google can be your friend.
Allen
Re: Social Security number
Thanks Allen. I thought it had started much earlier.
John
"jburns" <johnburns@telus.net> wrote in message
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John
"jburns" <johnburns@telus.net> wrote in message
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I wonder when people were required to get Social Security numbers. I have a
relative born in 1899. He got his first full time job with a newspaper in
Iowa in 1920. After 4 years he moved to Tennessee where he worked as an
advertising manager for a newspaper for 10 years. Then in 1935 he went to
work for a newspaper in Texas. His Social Security number was issued in
Texas-by then he would have been at least 36. Didn't people need SSNs
before 1935 or were certain jobs exempt?
John
SSN History
To: alt.genealogy
In the United States, a Social Security number (SSN) is a 9-digit number issued
to citizens, permanent residents, and temporary (working) residents under
section 205(c)(2) of the Social Security Act, codified as 42 U.S.C. The number
is issued to an individual by the Social Security Administration, an agency of
the U.S. Federal Government. Its primary purpose is to track individuals for
taxation purposes. In recent years the SSN has become a de facto national
identification number.[1] A social security number may be obtained by applying
on Form SS-5, "Application for A Social Security Number Card"
History
The first SSNs were issued by the Social Security Administration in November
1936 as part of the New Deal Social Security program. By the end of 1937, over
37 million numbers had been issued.
Before 1986, people often did not have a Social Security number until the age
of about 14, since they were used for income tracking purposes, and those under
that age seldom had substantial income. In 1986, American taxation law was
altered so that individuals over 5 years old without Social Security numbers
could not be successfully claimed as dependents on tax returns; by 1990 the
threshold was lowered to 1 year old[3], and was later abolished altogether.
Since then, parents have often applied for Social Security numbers for their
children soon after birth; today, it can be done on the application for a birth
certificate[4].
Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and card
were not to be used for identification purposes.
Purpose and Use
The original purpose of this number was to track individuals' accounts within
the Social Security program. It has since come to be used as a unique
identifier for individuals within the United States, although rare errors occur
where duplicates do exist. Employee records, patient records, student records,
and credit records are sometimes indexed by Social Security number. The U.S.
military has used the Social Security number as an identification number for
the Army and Air Force since July 1, 1969, the Navy and Marine Corps since
January 1, 1972, and the Coast Guard since October 1, 1974.[5]
Contrary to popular belief, there is no law requiring a U.S. citizen to apply
for a Social Security number to live or work in the United States; however, it
is required for parents to claim their children as tax dependents[6]. Although
some people do not have an SSN assigned to them, it is becoming ever
increasingly difficult to engage in legitimate financial activities without
one.
Federal taxpayer identification number
The Internal Revenue Code provides that "[t]he social security account number
issued to an individual for purposes of section 205(c)(2)(A) of the Social
Security Act shall, except as shall otherwise be specified under regulations of
the Secretary [of the Treasury or his delegate], be used as the identifying
number for such individual for purposes of this title."
Types of Social Security cards
Three different types of Social Security cards are issued. The most common type
contains the cardholder's name and number. Such cards are issued to U.S.
citizens and U.S. permanent residents. There are also two restricted types of
Social Security cards:
* One reads "NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT." Such cards cannot be used as proof
of work authorization, and are not acceptable as a List C document on the I-9
form.
* The other reads "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION." These cards
are issued to people who have temporary work authorization in the U.S. They can
satisfy the I-9 requirement, if they are accompanied by a work authorization
card.
In 2004 Congress passed The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act;
parts of which mandated that the Social Security Administration redesign the
Social Security Number (SSN) Card to prevent forgery. From April 2006 through
August, 2007, Social Security Administration (SSA) and Government Printing
Office (GPO) employees were assigned to redesign the Social Security Number
Card to the specifications of the Interagency Task Force created by the
Commissioner of Social Security in consultation with the secretary of Homeland
Security.
The new SSN card design utilizes both covert and overt cutting edge security
features created by the SSA and GPO design teams.
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In the United States, a Social Security number (SSN) is a 9-digit number issued
to citizens, permanent residents, and temporary (working) residents under
section 205(c)(2) of the Social Security Act, codified as 42 U.S.C. The number
is issued to an individual by the Social Security Administration, an agency of
the U.S. Federal Government. Its primary purpose is to track individuals for
taxation purposes. In recent years the SSN has become a de facto national
identification number.[1] A social security number may be obtained by applying
on Form SS-5, "Application for A Social Security Number Card"
History
The first SSNs were issued by the Social Security Administration in November
1936 as part of the New Deal Social Security program. By the end of 1937, over
37 million numbers had been issued.
Before 1986, people often did not have a Social Security number until the age
of about 14, since they were used for income tracking purposes, and those under
that age seldom had substantial income. In 1986, American taxation law was
altered so that individuals over 5 years old without Social Security numbers
could not be successfully claimed as dependents on tax returns; by 1990 the
threshold was lowered to 1 year old[3], and was later abolished altogether.
Since then, parents have often applied for Social Security numbers for their
children soon after birth; today, it can be done on the application for a birth
certificate[4].
Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and card
were not to be used for identification purposes.
Purpose and Use
The original purpose of this number was to track individuals' accounts within
the Social Security program. It has since come to be used as a unique
identifier for individuals within the United States, although rare errors occur
where duplicates do exist. Employee records, patient records, student records,
and credit records are sometimes indexed by Social Security number. The U.S.
military has used the Social Security number as an identification number for
the Army and Air Force since July 1, 1969, the Navy and Marine Corps since
January 1, 1972, and the Coast Guard since October 1, 1974.[5]
Contrary to popular belief, there is no law requiring a U.S. citizen to apply
for a Social Security number to live or work in the United States; however, it
is required for parents to claim their children as tax dependents[6]. Although
some people do not have an SSN assigned to them, it is becoming ever
increasingly difficult to engage in legitimate financial activities without
one.
Federal taxpayer identification number
The Internal Revenue Code provides that "[t]he social security account number
issued to an individual for purposes of section 205(c)(2)(A) of the Social
Security Act shall, except as shall otherwise be specified under regulations of
the Secretary [of the Treasury or his delegate], be used as the identifying
number for such individual for purposes of this title."
Types of Social Security cards
Three different types of Social Security cards are issued. The most common type
contains the cardholder's name and number. Such cards are issued to U.S.
citizens and U.S. permanent residents. There are also two restricted types of
Social Security cards:
* One reads "NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT." Such cards cannot be used as proof
of work authorization, and are not acceptable as a List C document on the I-9
form.
* The other reads "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION." These cards
are issued to people who have temporary work authorization in the U.S. They can
satisfy the I-9 requirement, if they are accompanied by a work authorization
card.
In 2004 Congress passed The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act;
parts of which mandated that the Social Security Administration redesign the
Social Security Number (SSN) Card to prevent forgery. From April 2006 through
August, 2007, Social Security Administration (SSA) and Government Printing
Office (GPO) employees were assigned to redesign the Social Security Number
Card to the specifications of the Interagency Task Force created by the
Commissioner of Social Security in consultation with the secretary of Homeland
Security.
The new SSN card design utilizes both covert and overt cutting edge security
features created by the SSA and GPO design teams.
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Re: Social Security number
"jburns" <johnburns@telus.net> wrote in
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No, it was part of F.D.R.'S "New Deal," but it took some time to
get it through Congress.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
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It is more important that a proposition be interesting than that
it be true. (Alfred North Whitehead)
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Thanks Allen. I thought it had started much earlier.
No, it was part of F.D.R.'S "New Deal," but it took some time to
get it through Congress.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
It is more important that a proposition be interesting than that
it be true. (Alfred North Whitehead)
Re: Social Security number
"jburns" <johnburns@telus.net> wrote in message
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| I wonder when people were required to get Social Security numbers. I have
a
| relative born in 1899. He got his first full time job with a newspaper in
| Iowa in 1920. After 4 years he moved to Tennessee where he worked as an
| advertising manager for a newspaper for 10 years. Then in 1935 he went to
| work for a newspaper in Texas. His Social Security number was issued in
| Texas-by then he would have been at least 36. Didn't people need SSNs
before
| 1935 or were certain jobs exempt?
| John
|
Started with FDR's regime, as was noted by others. Professional people,
those who were self-employed, farmers and farm laborers, and certain others
were exempt initially, but gradually were required to have a SSN. I think
that today there are no exemptions. You can't get a bank account without a
SSN. I have been told (but don't know for fact) that hospitals now send in
registrations for SSNs for new-borns.
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
PS
I had to get one in Mississippi before my teens (more than a couple of years
ago) in order to help out in a seafood restaurant my mother managed one
summer in Biloxi. (I was not allowed to serve beer due to my age.)
news:Tfxmj.28528$yQ1.27455@edtnps89...
| I wonder when people were required to get Social Security numbers. I have
a
| relative born in 1899. He got his first full time job with a newspaper in
| Iowa in 1920. After 4 years he moved to Tennessee where he worked as an
| advertising manager for a newspaper for 10 years. Then in 1935 he went to
| work for a newspaper in Texas. His Social Security number was issued in
| Texas-by then he would have been at least 36. Didn't people need SSNs
before
| 1935 or were certain jobs exempt?
| John
|
Started with FDR's regime, as was noted by others. Professional people,
those who were self-employed, farmers and farm laborers, and certain others
were exempt initially, but gradually were required to have a SSN. I think
that today there are no exemptions. You can't get a bank account without a
SSN. I have been told (but don't know for fact) that hospitals now send in
registrations for SSNs for new-borns.
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
PS
I had to get one in Mississippi before my teens (more than a couple of years
ago) in order to help out in a seafood restaurant my mother managed one
summer in Biloxi. (I was not allowed to serve beer due to my age.)
Re: Social Security number
Henry Brownlee wrote:
Henry: True--no SSN no tax deduction.
Is seafood restaurant still there? Much was gone on my last visit.
ecunningham@att.net
I have been told (but don't know for fact) that hospitals now send in
registrations for SSNs for new-borns.
Henry: True--no SSN no tax deduction.
Is seafood restaurant still there? Much was gone on my last visit.
ecunningham@att.net
Re: Social Security number
"ecunningham" <ecunningham@att.net> wrote in message
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| Henry Brownlee wrote:
| >I have been told (but don't know for fact) that hospitals now send in
| > registrations for SSNs for new-borns.
|
| Henry: True--no SSN no tax deduction.
| Is seafood restaurant still there? Much was gone on my last visit.
| ecunningham@att.net
My cousin's ex-husband never enrolled in the Social Security program. They
tried to force him, but he won out. Of course, he didn't get any retirement
benefits - but then, he didn't need them. All of his employees, however,
were covered (including my cousin).
The restaurant I referred to was called the Happy Landing - it was on the
Biloxi side of the Back Bay Bridge. I don't know if it was still in
existence as late as Hurricane Katrina. I know my mother's former home on
St. Charles Avenue in West Biloxi (which withstood Hurricane Camille)
disappeared during Katrina! My brother-in-law's niece owned a home directly
across the street from it (I found out later) and it was pretty much
destroyed as well. My cousin's former home in Bay St. Louis had just the
slab left plus a little debris from the house.
What's the old saying? It's an ill wind that blows no good?
Henry
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| Henry Brownlee wrote:
| >I have been told (but don't know for fact) that hospitals now send in
| > registrations for SSNs for new-borns.
|
| Henry: True--no SSN no tax deduction.
| Is seafood restaurant still there? Much was gone on my last visit.
| ecunningham@att.net
My cousin's ex-husband never enrolled in the Social Security program. They
tried to force him, but he won out. Of course, he didn't get any retirement
benefits - but then, he didn't need them. All of his employees, however,
were covered (including my cousin).
The restaurant I referred to was called the Happy Landing - it was on the
Biloxi side of the Back Bay Bridge. I don't know if it was still in
existence as late as Hurricane Katrina. I know my mother's former home on
St. Charles Avenue in West Biloxi (which withstood Hurricane Camille)
disappeared during Katrina! My brother-in-law's niece owned a home directly
across the street from it (I found out later) and it was pretty much
destroyed as well. My cousin's former home in Bay St. Louis had just the
slab left plus a little debris from the house.
What's the old saying? It's an ill wind that blows no good?
Henry
Re: Social Security number
Henry Brownlee wrote:
the problem of proving your age led to the first soundex index of a US
federal census
Hugh W
"jburns" <johnburns@telus.net> wrote in message
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| I wonder when people were required to get Social Security numbers. I have
a
| relative born in 1899. He got his first full time job with a newspaper in
| Iowa in 1920. After 4 years he moved to Tennessee where he worked as an
| advertising manager for a newspaper for 10 years. Then in 1935 he went to
| work for a newspaper in Texas. His Social Security number was issued in
| Texas-by then he would have been at least 36. Didn't people need SSNs
before
| 1935 or were certain jobs exempt?
| John
|
Started with FDR's regime, as was noted by others. Professional people,
those who were self-employed, farmers and farm laborers, and certain others
were exempt initially, but gradually were required to have a SSN. I think
that today there are no exemptions. You can't get a bank account without a
SSN. I have been told (but don't know for fact) that hospitals now send in
registrations for SSNs for new-borns.
Henry Brownlee
Houma, Louisiana
PS
I had to get one in Mississippi before my teens (more than a couple of years
ago) in order to help out in a seafood restaurant my mother managed one
summer in Biloxi. (I was not allowed to serve beer due to my age.)
the problem of proving your age led to the first soundex index of a US
federal census
Hugh W
Re: Social Security number
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:58:33 -0500, ecunningham <ecunningham@att.net> wrote:
Ah, yes.
The greatest disappearance in history was when 7 million American children
suddenly vanished on 15 April 1987.
That was when the Internal Revenue Service required the child's social
security number if it was claimed as a tax deducation.
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
Henry: True--no SSN no tax deduction.
Ah, yes.
The greatest disappearance in history was when 7 million American children
suddenly vanished on 15 April 1987.
That was when the Internal Revenue Service required the child's social
security number if it was claimed as a tax deducation.
--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/