Ruth Trondsen

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Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av dn26706 » 12. juli 2014 kl. 18.47

Jeg leter etter dåpen registrering av Ruth Trondsen, hvis navn kanskje Bertha Ruth Thorvaldsdatter. Hun emigrerte til CA med sin mor, Olava Mathea Johannesdatter Stensrød, og bestemor, Lena Hansdatter. Jeg har ikke vært i stand til å finne Ruth dåp rekord eller foreldrenes ekteskap posten. De forlot Norge fra Oslo. Jeg har festet en familie gruppe rekord med notater. Ruth dødsattest sier hun ble født i Oslo. Jeg har ikke funnet en rekord der.eg leter etter dåpen registrering av Ruth Trondsen, hvis navn kanskje Bertha Ruth Thorvaldsdatter. Hun emigrerte til CA med sin mor, Olava Mathea Johannesdatter Stensrød, og bestemor, Lena Hansdatter. Jeg har ikke vært i stand til å finne Ruth dåp rekord eller foreldrenes ekteskap posten. De forlot Norge fra Oslo. Jeg har festet en familie gruppe rekord med notater. Ruth dødsattest sier hun ble født i Oslo. Jeg har ikke funnet en rekord der.

Takk for hjelpen,

Pamela i Petaluma, CA
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Tove Dahl Johansen
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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av Tove Dahl Johansen » 12. juli 2014 kl. 19.59

Thorvald Trondsen on the 1865 census for Vestby. His father was from Asker, Akershus and his mother was from Ål, Buskerud

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 8006004678

Thorvald Trondsen on the 1875 census for Son

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 2030000665

I think it could be, but not certain if this is Thorvald on the 1885 census for Son - the y.o.b is wrong.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 3253000376

Son was a "ladested". That means a coastal town without full urban status. Hølen was also a "ladested".

Can find Olava on the 1865 census for Vestby, but not on the 1875 and 1885 censuses for Hølen.
Her father was from Såner (in Vestby) and her mother was from Våler. There are two Våler, one in Østfold and one in Hedmark. Probably she is from Våler in Østfold.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 8006003998

If they married in Oslo and Ruth was born there there are many records to go through.

Tove DJ

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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av Leif Bjørn Mathiesen » 12. juli 2014 kl. 20.27

Olava in census 1875 maybe?

County: Østfold
Clerical District: Våler
Circuit Number: 3
List Number: 2
Event Place: Høiaas Nordre
Farm Number: 22b
Operator's Name:
Person Number: 6
Absent:
Name: Olava Johannesdatter
Presumed Residence:
Building of Residence:
Gender: Female
Relationship to Head of Household: Pleiedatter
Marital Status (Original Language): ug
Occupation: Hjælper Pleiemoderen
Birth Year: 1861
Age (Estimated): 14
Birthplace: Soner S Vestby
Nationality:
Religion:
Disability:
Length of Illness:


Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Olline Villadsdatter F 68 Vaaler S Præstgj
Vilhelm Hansen M 30 Vaaler S Præstgj
Ole Hansen M 40 Rygge S Præstgj
Anton Hansen M 28 Vaaler S Præstgj
Karen Hansdatter F 32 Vaaler S Præstgj
Olava Johannesdatter F 14 Soner S Vestby



Citing this Record:
"Norway Census, 1875," index, <i>FamilySearch</i> (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MKL4-NKF : accessed 12 Jul 2014), Olava Johannesdatter in household of Olline Villadsdatter, Høiaas Nordre, Våler, Østfold, Norway; citing; FHL microfilm 255580.
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Leif B.

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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av Tove Dahl Johansen » 12. juli 2014 kl. 20.33

Olava on the emigration record 2nd October 1891

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ge ... 0001032180

At the same time her mother Lena emigrated. Maybe she was a widow

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ge ... 0001032179

And Bertha - that could be Ruth then, but the age seems to be wrong? Are you sure she was born in 1891?

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ge ... 0001032181

Thorvald had probably travelled already.

I see Leif B. has found Olava on the 1875 census for Våler (Østfold). It must be her grandmother she is staying with.

Lena on the 1885 census for Son. She is a widow.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 3253000177

Tove DJ

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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av Leif Bjørn Mathiesen » 12. juli 2014 kl. 22.22

Tove skrev:And Bertha - that could be Ruth then, but the age seems to be wrong? Are you sure she was born in 1891?
Tove DJ


1900 CENSUS: CA, Sonoma Co., Petaluma Township, 7 Jun, E.D. 166, pg 1B, sheet 5, household 543, Ancestry.com:
Thorvald Trondsen, head, white, male, born Nov 1860, age 59, married 12 years, born Norway, parents born Norway, immigrated
1892, naturalized, Captain, rents house;
Oliva Trondsen, wife, white, female, born Oct 1861, 38, married 12 years, mother of 3 children 3 living, born Norway, parents born
Norway;
Ruth Trondsen, daughter, w, f, born May 1889, 11, single, born Norway.
Norman Trondsen, son, w, m, born Aug 1892, 7, single, born CA;
Emily Trondsen, daughter, w, f, born Aug 1895, 4, single, born CA;
Lene Johnson, mother in law, w, f, born Jul 1840, 59, widowed, born Norway, mother of 1 child 1 living; immigrated 1845.
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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av Tove Dahl Johansen » 12. juli 2014 kl. 23.52

Thorvald - born 29th November 1859 according to the parish record

Kjeldeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Vestby, Ministerialbok nr. 7 (1850-1862), Fødde og døypte 1860, side 64.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-64
Permanent biletlenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 030752.jpg

Olava Mathea was confirmed in Våler in 1876. The record says she was born 10th October 1861

On the baptism record it was impossible to see the date.

Kjeldeinformasjon: Østfold fylke, Våler, Ministerialbok nr. I 9 (1873-1877), Konfirmerte 1877, side 110.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-25
Permanent biletlenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010340.jpg

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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av dn26706 » 13. juli 2014 kl. 0.36

Thank you Tove and Leif.
Ruth's U.S. death certificate said she was born in 1891. The information was provided by her husband.

I have searched in Oslo and not found her baptism record or parent's marriage record.

I have also searched in the areas where her parents were from.

I was hoping to find someone related to this family who might know for sure.

This family is buried in my local cemetery and their living descendents are not interested. :(

Thanks for helping; the new record to me is the 1875 census. :)

Pamela i Petaluma.

Here is Ruth's grave:
www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=carpenter&GSiman=1&GScid=7926&GRid=99579126&

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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av Tove Dahl Johansen » 13. juli 2014 kl. 9.39

Hello

Yes, I have seen the family graves on "findagrave".
Also read about Olava - that she came to America when she was 18 and that she married captain Trondsen at Oakland etc. - that seems to be quite a different story?
She was listed as living in Son when she emigrated in 1891 with Bertha (2) and her mother, destination New York.
I think that you need to find their marriage - about 1888.

According to the 1875 census Thorvald's father was from Østre Aker, not from Asker.

Death of Thorvald's mother. I think the date is 21st August 1885 (on the bottom)
The record says she was born in Næs (Nes) in Hallingdal. The censuses have had Aal (Ål) in Hallingdal as the place of her birth.

Kjeldeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Son i Vestby, Ministerialbok nr. III 1 (1878-1906), Døde og gravlagde 1883-1885, side 153.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-122
Permanent biletlenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010122.jpg

And Tron(d) Larsen died on the 17th March 1894
The parish record says he was born in Vestre Aker.

Kjeldeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Son i Vestby, Ministerialbok nr. III 1 (1878-1906), Døde og gravlagde 1894-1895, side 160.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-130
Permanent biletlenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010130.jpg

I was thinking that maybe finding the dates of their deaths could be of some help.

Thorvald's brother Karl with his family on the 1900 census for Son

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 7019000426

Karl's son Taulo emigrated in 1907 with destination San Francisco

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ge ... 0001094951

Karl's wife and daughter on the 1910 census for Son. They are divorced (f)

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 6363000500

Tove DJ

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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av Tove Dahl Johansen » 13. juli 2014 kl. 16.37

On the database "Gravminner i Norge" - the Norwegian "findagrave" - I can find buried in Strømbråten graveyard in Son, Vestby.

Johanne Elise Trondsen born 1.3.1863
Taulow Trondsen born 22.10.1884 (he returned from America then)
Thora Petrine Trondsen born 1.9.1887
Else Svanhild Trondsen born 22.3.1915
Erling Trondsen born 10.8.1912

Tove DJ

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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av dn26706 » 13. juli 2014 kl. 18.08

Tove,
Thank you very much for taking the time to research this family.
You've provided me with some additionaal information so I can again try to track down the marriage record and possibly the baptism record for Ruth.

I have found the derivative information provided by the family members has been incorrect. The only correct information was on Thorvald's death certificate stating he was from Son.

Thanks for giving me a jump start. :)

Pamela i Petaluma, CA

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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av Tove Dahl Johansen » 13. juli 2014 kl. 18.38

I cannot see Thorvald being godparent to any of his brother Karl's chidren in Son.
Don't know where his other two brothers settled down. Have not found them on the 1900 census.
Tove DJ

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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av dn26706 » 13. juli 2014 kl. 19.27

Hi Tove,

Are you still up? :)

I am working on the records you have alerted me to; however, I have not been able to locate the 1875 census for Tron Larsen. Did you find it in Family Search or the Digital Archives?

Thank you for your continued assistance.

Pamela i Petaluma, CA

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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av Tove Dahl Johansen » 13. juli 2014 kl. 21.54

He was on the 1875 census for Son on the digital archive

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 2030000665

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Re: Ruth Trondsen

Legg inn av dn26706 » 13. juli 2014 kl. 22.06

Takk så mye!

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